UFO's on the moon?

a reply to: JimOberg

I have the greatest of respect for you Mr Oberg and know that you have spent a great deal of your life working for NASA and that given the complexity of the contracts keeping many thing's a secret there especially from people like yourself whom are an unofficial spokesperson for the organisation (and whom I do not believe would deliberately be involved in a cover up if you knew about it unless it was for the very best reason) would be nearly - nearly - impossible but NOT impossible.

Remember your government and even your agency work in a compartmentalized fashion and this allows private contractors for example to make parts without ever knowing what they will eventually be used for.


Also there is something that I feel is pertinent.

A lot of peoples in this world had legend's of a lost golden age, of a war in heaven and of humanity being punished and having to atone to the heaven's, some resorted to sacrifice to try to appease these invisible sky deity's and other's had hero's that fought them such as the (asia) Indian's.

But likewise many have legend's of a great flood and a natural catastrophe, a cometary strike on the glaciers during the last ice age causing tidal waves and a rapid sea level rise could be the basis if human oral traditions can be shown to last that long other than the new debunking argument about the flooding of the black sea.

Indeed one of your greatest astronaut's James Irwin was absolutely convinced and spent the latter years of his life searching for this very object.
www.noahsark.it...
(not only a scientist and astronaut but a devout Christian and a very nice guy by all account's, a worthy hero but not the biggest name from the Apollo era)

Then again how does a multi billion dollar organization like yours lose valuable data - degaussing the tapes come on man that simply does not happen unless they needed the old tape reels on an old computer system which by the time they were checked out from your national archives and then lost was absolutely no longer in use at that time, it was the age of floppy discs by that time period and even those early discs help a lot more than a stack of those older tapes.

Hey remember that guy that found a load of old NASA tapes in his basement and how they worked to rebuild one of those old computers to try to read what was on them.

originally posted by: LABTECH767
Just another thing.

If you want to discuss people telling lies about what's on the moon, then there is a large pack of them in this video.

a reply to: LABTECH767

The Apollo-11 "transcript" you seem to have fallen for is an utterly inane fabrication. What's so hard about believing that?

a reply to: JimOberg

Mr Oberg if I may pick your brain for a moment what is your interpretation of this.
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I mean is that dust devils of the aftermath of devastation.

And


I mean is this dust devil's or the aftermath of devastation just a lot older - a whole lot older - than Nagasaki.
www.marsruins.com...

But I digress we are very unlikely to see eye to eye on this and in fact neither are any people that should choose to look and to then think for themselves rather than having other people's interpretation taken as gospel.

And there was war in heaven, Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon. The dragon and his angels waged war, and they were not strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.

Though Nagasaki was hit by a single atomic blast rather than carpet bombed so here are some carpet bomb images as well note the relatively even size of the craters and how perhaps more important targets received larger bomb's creating larger craters.
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You may have your own opinion but that mars site sure look's like the ruins of an ancient - modern style - city on the shores of a dead sea that was destroyed at least partially deliberately by what look's like a whole load of carpet bombing.
And of course there is Brandenburg's theory about the planet dying as a result of nuclear war, a conclusion he came to reluctantly due to the isotopic evidence and would have kept silent about fearing for his reputation except that he has a conscience and so decided to offer evidence he felt was too solid to ignore that of the isotopic ratio's being wrong for a natural event and correct for a fission type blast or rather at least two such event's, one perhaps the plant killer having been made by a device which if we built it with today's technology for us to replicate that blast would take a device roughly the size of the empire state building (with our technology - at least in term's of an ordinary nuclear device).

no longer a place found for them in heaven.

a reply to: LABTECH767

The bomb photo shows smoke plumes all in the same direction, windward. Why wouldn't any kinds of plumes anywhere line up with wind direction?

How many scientists and space engineers from how many different countries have to be liars to make your interpretation viable? 200? 2000? 20,000?

a reply to: JimOberg
Hi Jim, what's your take on the Lunar Transient Phenomena? Did Vodafone Germany's 4G lunar network project pushed through?

Links: science.nasa.gov
harvard.edu for the LTP catalogue
arxiv.org for a pdf copy or ntrs.nasa.gov

I can't link the space.com article "The Moon Will Get Its Own Mobile Phone Network in 2019" will post it later.
space.com

Could this be the reason behind the OP's recent lunar activity? (Wink, wink)

a reply to: MaxTamesSiva

That's hilarious they are planning to use the moon for mobile phones, probably a publicity stunt (or to screen something else) since I mean were are the customers.

Still as a multi project mission just to test out the viability of a lunar based microwave communications array I can see it's merit - still think it's probably just a publicity stunt though and more to impress the Asian market than ours by the look of it, that of they want to get in on what may become a lucrative position in future markets - just a tad bit too early perhaps but I suppose you can't blame them for trying to put there foot in the corporate door, however the moon is property of all or none and open only to those that can get there BUT of course there are corporate plans even if they never go any further than plans to extract helium 3 from the surface material as indeed there are for asteroid mining network's and those will indeed need communication's arrays so maybe, just maybe even while likely realistically about 50 or more years too early a very canny move indeed but being first does not necessarily mean they will be the one's that get used if and when that does happen however as a corporate asset a department specialized in this will have potential stock market impact in the future and even earlier as speculative investors may come on board as a result.

Well yet another thread of very poor quality video of objects in our atmsophere and no where near the Moon.

This a REAL HQ Moon video at 2:58 you see something pass in the field of view and not above the Moon surface

What An X-NSA Agent Taught Me About War In the Cosmos


This 17 min report by Dave Hodges talks about a conservation with Vance, an X-NSA agent and part of his NATO training. There has been a war in the cosmos going on forever. God has cast out 1/3 of the fallen angels in the heavens. The rest have set up shop on Earth, been part of our heritage for a long time.

UFO Research Documentation & New Findings With Live Evidence


Bruce Sees all has been doing a great job in keeping his eyes in the skies. I have not put up all the videos he has done, many strange anomalies. This short video puts together some of the stranger stuff. i don't know.

a reply to: kwakakev

R I G H T

This guy is a known barking moonbat who posts fuzzy images of objects claiming to be UFO on moon

Sorry does not track

As Carl Sagan said "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof"

Here is actual image of light on the moon - taken during total eclipse on January 20, 2019

A small Meteorite = estimated to be traveling at some 38,000 mph (61,000 kph) slammed into moon excavating a crater

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The Alien Presence On The Moon


This 25 minute presentation looks to be part of a longer documentary. Includes interviews with lots of different whistle blowers about the censorship of moon images and brief analysis of a few of these images.

'Space Exploration' may as well include any alien threads, and here is the very first one, of many more to come.... thanks!

originally posted by: kwakakev
The Alien Presence On The Moon

This 25 minute presentation looks to be part of a longer documentary. Includes interviews with lots of different whistle blowers about the censorship of moon images and brief analysis of a few of these images.

Where does Donna Hare talk about MOON photos? And you need to keep up, Carter's UFO report coincided with a NASA barium rocket launch from Eglin AFB, please get a clue.

a reply to: JimOberg

Where does Donna Hare talk about MOON photos?

She starts at 11:10 in the above video. Her role was as a NASA employee at the Houston Johnson Space Center. Donna also made an appearance at the 2001 Disclosure Project put together by Steven Greer at the National Press Club.

Carter's UFO report coincided with a NASA barium rocket launch from Eglin AFB

Did you mean Jimmy Carter's UFO report?

Carter’s UFO sighting began shortly after dark on a windless night. Jimmy Carter was standing outside the Lion’s Club in Leary, Georgia, waiting for a meeting to start. Suddenly, he and ten or more witnesses, sighted a red and green orb radiating in the western sky. Carter described an object that “it seemed to move towards us from a distance, stop, move partially away, return, then depart. Bluish at first; then reddish – luminous – not solid.”

“At times,” reported Carter, “it was as bright as the moon, and about as big as the moon – maybe a bit smaller. The object was luminous; not solid.”

Link

And you need to keep up, please get a clue.

You do have a great reputation on these boards Jim, a well researched historian into much of this strange stuff and a voice worthy of consideration. As for me, I feel stuck in an information quagmire, caught up in a massive disinformation campaign. Who do you trust? What do you trust? Too many inconstancies to believe it all. A few solid pieces around to know something is up.

This is in part why I started this thread, somewhere to put together some of the pieces of this puzzle, thrash them out and see what clues stick. At this time i do hold the opinion that the moon is occupied and is why we have not gone back publicly. The occupants do not want the attention, it will just upset the Earthly natives. So why is that? What are they really up to?

Put this clue with Q calling out our satanic global leadership and what are we suppose to do? Just stick our head in the sand and walk away? Maybe I am wrong, won't be the first time. What if I am right as the silent war continue?

originally posted by: kwakakev
You do have a great reputation on these boards Jim, a well researched historian into much of this strange stuff and a voice worthy of consideration. As for me, I feel stuck in an information quagmire, caught up in a massive disinformation campaign. Who do you trust? What do you trust? Too many inconstancies to believe it all. A few solid pieces around to know something is up.

You don't have to trust anyone. What you can do is take steps to verify for yourself the claims that are being made. Any point on the moon's surface is likely to have half a dozen image sources, and some of the sites where people claim to have found these alleged artefacts would be visible with any off the shelf amateur telescope. Information is not difficult to find, but most of the people making these claims rely on you not checking things for yourself.

At this time i do hold the opinion that the moon is occupied and is why we have not gone back publicly. The occupants do not want the attention, it will just upset the Earthly natives. So why is that? What are they really up to?

And what you're doing there is starting with a conclusion and bending the evidence to fit. It's a huge strawman. Look at the evidence first, then decide what a reasonable conclusion is, not the other way around.

Birds flying within the shot of the moon. Things in OUR atmosphere flying within the shot of the moon. You zoom THAT close to the moon -- you're also zoomed in on normal things passing by overhead, within the shot.

That first object in the OPs video, that did a slight turn. I’ve seen one do that. I was watching the ISS and shuttle pass over head in FL, I noticed another object coming in the opposite direction, thinking it was just a satellite. It started doing a rather large Arc turn towards the ISS and shuttle, it basically intercepted the two, passed very close to then then kept going. My buddy called me who was also watching it asked WTF was that other object. (The one that turned).

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

And what you're doing there is starting with a conclusion and bending the evidence to fit. It's a huge strawman. Look at the evidence first, then decide what a reasonable conclusion is, not the other way around.

No. Firstly this is not a new topic to me, have spent a lifetime getting bits and pieces of the puzzle over the years. A lot of the details are lost somewhere in the archives of time. This thread is to help collect any more pieces that I or anyone else comes across.

From memory, the Apollo 11 video footage from the Command Module piloted by Michael Collins had some strange anomalies that looked like bases and old spaceships.

When it was discovered that the moon rocks brought back where dated at about 4.5 Billion years old is shook up a lot of beliefs.

When doing a scientific study it is standard practice to start with a theory. My theory is that the moon is habited.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

And what you're doing there is starting with a conclusion and bending the evidence to fit. It's a huge strawman. Look at the evidence first, then decide what a reasonable conclusion is, not the other way around.

No. Firstly this is not a new topic to me, have spent a lifetime getting bits and pieces of the puzzle over the years. A lot of the details are lost somewhere in the archives of time. This thread is to help collect any more pieces that I or anyone else comes across.

Nor me. Nor many others.

From memory, the Apollo 11 video footage from the Command Module piloted by Michael Collins had some strange anomalies that looked like bases and old spaceships.

Sorry, but your memory is faulty there.

When it was discovered that the moon rocks brought back where dated at about 4.5 Billion years old is shook up a lot of beliefs.

That's kind of why they collected the samples, to find things out.

When doing a scientific study it is standard practice to start with a theory. My theory is that the moon is habited.

When doing a scientific study you look at information and then formulate a theory that explains that information. You do not start with a theory and look for evidence that confirms it. Your last statement proves my point.