It's the Guns

a reply to: Edumakated
Went to boot camp 10oct1988.

Trained on the use of Infantry Assault rifles.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement certified 1996.

Think I know a little more than Alyssa Milano, but I could be wrong.

Also, the Milano was a great name for the spaceship in Guardians of the Galaxy!

a reply to: queenofswords

Hell we brought our guns into the schools for our hunters safety courses. Its not the guns. We lost some of our morals, lack of civil discipline. Some people haven't learned how to respect their fellow man. The inmates are running the asylum. Its getting crazy man !!

a reply to: queenofswords

I completely agree and.. Unpopular opinion time.. I believe that access to firearms may be minimizing the casualties of a "mass event." Other avenues of action tend to be far worse, despite the whole diatribe of "guns make it easy."

I agree that something is happening and would go even further and make the claim that gun-grabbers are obfuscating any attempt to figure it out. Especially when their suggestions would have horrific consequences FAR beyond just "guns."

Consequences dont tend to be a thing that is understood by the Woke Cult though, or its tangentially related groups.

There are so many problems to unpack in these conversations..

originally posted by: ErEhWoN

That said, most of the time these topics tend to come from individuals who have either been sheltered by urban life

a reply to: Serdgiam


What exactly about urban life is sheltering?

Maybe the fact that you're always within walking distance to a gas station/corner store that can supply you with whatever you need.

Or maybe it's because you don't have to worry about coyotes/wolves attacking the livestock you depend on to survive, both financially and as means to feed your family.

I could go on but it's obvious you are ignorant and have not thought things through.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: Ahabstar
a reply to: Edumakated

Also look at legal definitions of Mass Shooting. In the US, four wounded or killed or any combination (which can include the shooter) is a mass shooting. In Australia, five dead (not counting the shooter) or it is not a mass shooting.

So 75,000 wounded and two dead is NOT a mass shooting in Australia. Father takes out wife and two kids before turning the gun on himself IS a mass shooting even if no one died.

Yeah, I think the whole 4 or more killed thing is a stupid definition of a mass shooting. A mass shooting should really be defined as a person who goes to a public place with the intent of shooting as much random people as possible for no logical reason.

Its basically a statistically proven fact that easier legal access to guns increases the likelihood of these kind of genuine mass shootings occurring. But its also pretty obvious that the actual death rate due to (genuine) mass shootings is is only a tiny portion of the overall death by gun rates in the US, or in any other first world country for that matter.

So I highly doubt the US could put a significant dent in gun related murders by implementing stricter laws. There's just simply to many guns in circulation at this point... It probably works in Australia, simply because the majority of illegal guns in circulation at this point are like rusty old shot guns that weren't handed in after the gun by back in the 90's, which probably go for more on the black market than a nearly new ak-47 would go for on the US black market.

Yes, it is obvious easier access is a contributor. However, I don't believe everyone should have to give up their firearms because of some statistically insignificant events.

It is like when I hear gun people saying you are more likely to be shot with a gun in home! Uh, no sh*t sherlock! That's like saying you are more likely to die in a car accident if you drive to work every day!

Banning guns is like banning cars to stop DUIs.

After reading your OP it was obvious you don’t like guns. But I really didn’t get much more than that out of it .

a reply to: Fallingdown

Used to take my stepson out in the woods of Florida to shoot targets with a 30 .06 with a scope. It was fun. Also, MOUT training in Ft Benning was AWESOME! Everyone should do this at least once, I recommend.

Don't think m16 or ak belong in the hands of civilians. Or body armor....who needs body armor to hunt, unless your with Dick Cheny.

If you tally up all the mass shooting casualties for the next 10 years . It will pale in comparison to the first three months of mandatory gun confiscation .

1. Thats not a fact
2. Worth it.

I doubt there’s a person on earth that wouldn’t be grinning as they sent their first 100 rounds down range .

Including the puffed up blow hard that is unwanted on both sides of the pond .


Ted Nugent said Piers had a machine gun smile .



I was just going to post the pic originally. But it felt like a tease .

originally posted by: seaswine

originally posted by: ErEhWoN

That said, most of the time these topics tend to come from individuals who have either been sheltered by urban life

a reply to: Serdgiam


What exactly about urban life is sheltering?

Maybe the fact that you're always within walking distance to a gas station/corner store that can supply you with whatever you need.

Or maybe it's because you don't have to worry about coyotes/wolves attacking the livestock you depend on to survive, both financially and as means to feed your family.

I could go on but it's obvious you are ignorant and have not thought things through.

Amen

I think he equates urban with poor. Growing up in a urban sitting is not the same as growing up in the inner city ghetto. Food for thought.

a reply to: seaswine

a reply to: Edumakated

That wasn't his logic....your making his argument for him dude.

a reply to: BlueJacket

I know, right?

Nowadays, the mere mention of such classes get pearls clutched so hard they shatter.

I think that anything having to do with the founding principles of this nation should be deeply explored throughout education, both in the classroom and in the real world.

They should be a foundation and pillar in our educational system in the exact same way they are a foundation and pillar of our nation.

Of course, before we even begin to tackle that, we would need to stop the continuing removal of all real world education from wood or metal shop to robotics (battlebots would be GREAT!) to firearms.

a reply to: Tortuga


But when you get past the general number that is out there and look at the actual numbers are number are barely considered a blip statistically.

a reply to: Bhadhidar
And this is how it will probably happen, just like Wal-mart and others banning open carry from their stores.

a reply to: ErEhWoN

The Second has nothing to do with hunting
It's a weak and dishonest argument
Your last point is disgusting

Guns are tools it doesn’t matter if it’s a gun,bomb,car,knife rock or a big stick it’s a means to a end. It’s the desire to kill people.

a reply to: Athetos

And no tool is as efficient at killing or as easy to obtain.

Not that easy for the disgruntled employee to build a bomb and logistically transport it while pissed off about your boss as a gun.

A car is registered and insured, so at least the injured parties can get support for their injuries. Should we also insure guns?

You can't kill 40 people in a mall or theater with a rock or knife. You will get tired.

No other TOOL is as efficient or easy to obtain as a gun.

A good example of this is how pundits constantly question why someone needs an AR-15 with 30 rounds. Many farmers need to shoot multiple wild boar.

a reply to: Edumakated

So give them an exemption. We don't need these in Houston or Chicago. You make my argument for me. And wild boars have legendary tough hides, may want to use 7.62 instead of 5.56, or your just going to piss em off.

I'm reminded of a story where a survey was done of major journalists and none owned a pick up truck or knew anyone who did.... yet, pick up trucks are one of the largest selling vehicles in the country and obviously popular outside of cities. It showed how out of touch they are with middle America.

You've never been to big city, have you? I lived in Houston recently, theres more pickups than potholes.

a reply to: ErEhWoN

I mean.. Are you asking because you are sincerely interested in my perspective, or... ?

Because, Ill be honest, I feel like the answer is obvious. Even in an age where information/propaganda vectors are continuously pushing the narrative that rural life is "savage and unsophisticated" or even borderline "evil."

For one, you are unlikely to be eaten by a bear walking out your front door. Access to resources.. Access to assistance in any capacity.. Communication (though thats changing in some respects).. Even weather tends to be easier to deal with, since most settlements began in intentional locations.. I, and others, could probably go on and on.

Its the reason humans tend to congregate in groups. It makes things easier. Or.. "Sheltered." I would contend that at a certain scale, this turns into a negative very quickly. Negatives like constant inundation with all kinds of things, easy lives leading to extraordinarily unrealistic, flawed perspectives, and even outright complacency and stagnation. Furthermore, those negatives are something we can negate ( ) with ever increasing efficacy through technology and decentralization.

Id go so far as to say that not only are large urban centers negatively impacting our society, and even holding *back* our civilization, they are becoming more and more obsolete.

I agree that something is happening and would go even further and make the claim that gun-grabbers are obfuscating any attempt to figure it out. Especially when their suggestions would have horrific consequences FAR beyond just "guns."

a reply to: Serdgiam

Wait, so you're blaming the Republicans? Cuz they are the ones blocking any attempt to fund even a study of the problem.

Or maybe it's because you don't have to worry about coyotes/wolves attacking the livestock you depend on to survive, both financially and as means to feed your family.

a reply to: seaswine

So, how was this done before AR15??

And how many of those coyotes/wolves were shooting back? I got off the bus one day in Chicago when I was in my 20's and the bullets were flyin!

Sheltered? Ha, wish it was coyotes and wolves, they dont shoot at you!

a reply to: ErEhWoN
You know what's more dangerous than a mall shooter with a ' high Capacity Assault Rifle'?
A well reasoned but twisted argument
That is full of data manipulation
To show a case that the reader or listener is in danger
And they must act now to prevent it from happening
Even if that argument may fall upon the ears of the mentally or criminally insane
How many people have lost their lives over the decades because of this?
Millions
Yet we never hear the same people wanting to restrict the Second also advocating to retrict the First
Why is that?