It's the Guns

Guns part of the 2nd amendment.

im so glad there's more...

Tenth Amendment states... "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

The federal government has no authority to ban Guns because it has no authority to ban anything.
Since the Twenty-First Amendment Repealed the Eighteenth, nothing in any of the Constitution’s amendments gives the federal government any additional power to ban.

It has to be up to the States government... you might live in a State in the future that bans all guns ..if you don't like it get out.

You can use the latest NSA spyware, and night-vision goggles on the Constitution that is the supreme law of the land,and never find the hint of a reference to the federal government having the authority to prohibit Americans from possessing some object. "Gun"

a reply to: chr0naut

They did a poll of military.. Most sided with the people. Why? Because they are not robots like most militaries. You don't give our soldiers enough credit. You are flat wrong.

a reply to: chr0naut
You are simply wromg and cheering for the collapse of the usa.
Wont happen.
Your ignorance is astounding.
When a SMALL amount of armed us citizens showed up the govt folded like a cheap suit.
Our leos and military are citizens as well, the "tyrants" are simply in your mind.

a reply to: ErEhWoN

Excuse me but the 1934 military weapons ban already stops 99 percent of Assault weapons from civilian use. A AR 15 is not a M 16. It looks like one only. And AKs are also variants of the full auto versions we cant Legally own unless we have a FFL 3. All civies can get is Semi,and cannot have a selector switch.

You are former military and don't know that?

a reply to: chr0naut

We and I do include me do not have to stay in the military to survive, and many of us are actually well educated, BS,BA, Masters etc… we know the laws and rules and we know that any order to move against US citizens are illegal orders and we are bound by regulation (and history) that just obeying orders is not an excuse and we are supposed to challenge and up channel any such illegal order.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
You are simply wromg

Whatever wromg is...

and cheering for the collapse of the usa.

I am not cheering for the collapse of the USA.

Wont happen.

Every empire has eventually fallen.

Your ignorance is astounding.

I must admit. I don't know everything.

It must be hell in there.

When a SMALL amount of armed us citizens showed up the govt folded like a cheap suit.
Our leos and military are citizens as well, the "tyrants" are simply in your mind.

One exception doesn't make the rule.

a reply to: chr0naut
Either way we will not be giving up our guns.
And the last "exception" did make the rule.
Only a handful made the govt run.
I understand how you could be blind to the issue.
Not having the right and all.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: chr0naut

We and I do include me do not have to stay in the military to survive, and many of us are actually well educated, BS,BA, Masters etc… we know the laws and rules and we know that any order to move against US citizens are illegal orders and we are bound by regulation (and history) that just obeying orders is not an excuse and we are supposed to challenge and up channel any such illegal order.

I pray that with wiser heads, the Constitution will remain a foundational guiding document and that future amendments are made with care and cynicism.

The thing is, we have entered a phase of history called 'post truth' where lies are 'alternate facts' and the wording used by our leaders (even in little old NZ) have become entirely appeals to emotion, rather than reason.

These things are more and more destabilizing, the larger the number of citizens are in comparison to armed forces and government officials.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
Either way we will not be giving up our guns.
And the last "exception" did make the rule.
Only a handful made the govt run.
I understand how you could be blind to the issue.
Not having the right and all.

What if it was Trump's administration (not saying that they are doing that right now or even implying that they will) that was vilifying and oppressing large numbers of citizens (say 'accommodating' them in FEMA camps)? Would you take up arms against a tyrannical leadership? Especially if they retained a degree of popularity?

You see, many would choose to not get involved. It is a reasonable and safe standpoint.

But evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

a reply to: chr0naut

You see, many would choose to not get involved.

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Yeah
And I just showed you we have people who do get involved.
We do have people who do something.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
And your posts are still self admittedly crap.

Statutory laws usually stipulate what is not allowed rather than what is allowed.

So then you knowingly lie?
Tlb

They are expressing valid opinions

It clearly is the exception and does not support my argument.

The other incidents you referenced were not ongoing and caused protests and investigations when completed.
We will not let our government disarm us.
Period.
As you are not from here you simply cannot understand.

Flap your gums all you like you simply dont get it.

I never said they were ongoing nor that they went un-protested. All of the examples I gave were not ongoing and were protested so your counter argument is waaay beside the actual point, that the US government will turn on US citizens and that an armed citizenship will merely mean that the government will be more ready to act to overpower with deadly force.

They do periodic military exercises to prepare for urban conflict. They are prepared for it. US Army Training For Urban Warfare - Rense.com

It's not an "opinion" when it goes against facts. It's simply ignorance.

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
And your posts are still self admittedly crap.

Statutory laws usually stipulate what is not allowed rather than what is allowed.

So then you knowingly lie?
Tlb

They are expressing valid opinions

It clearly is the exception and does not support my argument.

The other incidents you referenced were not ongoing and caused protests and investigations when completed.
We will not let our government disarm us.
Period.
As you are not from here you simply cannot understand.

Flap your gums all you like you simply dont get it.

I never said they were ongoing nor that they went un-protested. All of the examples I gave were not ongoing and were protested so your counter argument is waaay beside the actual point, that the US government will turn on US citizens and that an armed citizenship will merely mean that the government will be more ready to act to overpower with deadly force.

They do periodic military exercises to prepare for urban conflict. They are prepared for it. US Army Training For Urban Warfare - Rense.com

It's not an "opinion" when it goes against facts. It's simply ignorance.

Facts ,hmmm facts yep they suck.

Are you telling me that if goverment forced military to attack civilians they wouldn't, even if the troops families were used as collateral if they didn't do as ordered?

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: mortex
What a silly post.
An armed populace in a militia is a deterrent to tyrants. It is also a deterent and another factor thst an invading force has to factor in. It will cost more lives dle an invader.

The fact you can not comprehend something so basic amd obvious as demonstrated by your post is amazing.

If you really think guns cant be used to protect ones freedom and liberties, you..well..lol.
Guns form part of a defence force or military. Are you going to say they don't play a role there? You going to ask who the enemy is?

Who is the enemy?
Is your enemy today necessarily your enemy tomorrow.
Did the USA once fight on the same side as Russia and China technically?
Would you call the relationship the USA has with both as friendly and on good terms?

You either unintentionally ignorant or you chooseto be.

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Generation9
a reply to: ErEhWoN

The American public has common sense. Guns protect our freedom.

Explain how guns protect your freedom?

If you think you can defend yourself against the military, you are deluded.

If you draw a gun on police (or if they think you are doing so), they have been trained to shoot for the center of your body mass in reaction. Things will most likely not end well.

Once upon a time, trained militias had the capability of defending the rights of citizen groups, but who is in a militia these days? The paramilitary groups are too small to oppose government agencies, the military or the police.

And, just for a minute, consider if the words "freedom" or "liberty" are even valid to use in the situation. At the time of the war of independence, the US had slavery and the British didn't. In fact that 'libertine' state of the US was one of the last countries in the world to abolish slavery. Such freedom under the Constitution!

And, look at the situation today, look at your prisons. There are more people in prison, and a higher percentage of citizens per capita, than any other country in the world. On those grounds, the US is the least free nation on Earth.

But wave that flag like crazy and keep chanting the slogans they taught you in your indoctrination civics classes. Then you can be excused for not reasoning out the obvious.

Your enemy wants you to lay down your gun and give up. Just roll over and die.

Who is this enemy that is seeking to kill or enslave you? Is slavery even legal or condoned by any nation? I'm fairly sure that murder is illegal across the planet, too.

Also, don't you know of the gun death statistics? Lots of people are dying of GSW. The vast majority of them are killed by their own gun! It's not some 'pew pew' game of goodies vs. baddies.

Seems like you lack common sense.

Really?

The US government would suggest that the rebels were traitors and terrorists. They would't go after them with the military in the first instance, but rather with the standard policing. When it failed to control the populace, then the military would be called in.

All through such conflict there would be many Americans who emphatically side with their government. Even if that government was randomly rounding up and killing people by the thousands. Those people would continue to echo the government's descriptions of its opponents as traitors and terrorists. As has always been.

The only way the US government would go after its own people is if it was subverted and your rights were severely impacted, ie your gun rights. That would be why Patriotic US citizens would take up arms.

But luckily for you the people were able to get a fellow patriot elected to the oval office in Donald Trump, whose putting the people and country first and isnt selling you out to globalist interests nor starting new wars for the globalists where your young men go and die.

a reply to: yuppa

You do not need an FFL 3 to own. You must purchase from an FFL 3. They cannot sell to you until you are able to receive the $200 tax stamp. So literally there is no difference between owning a suppressor (silencer), a legal sawed off shotgun or a BAR. Just depends on what you applied for and was accepted to own.

Now if you have an FFL 3 you can have in your inventory arms unavailable for civilian purchase such as full automatics or select fire (three round burst) firearms made after 1986. They are considered demo models and are strictly regulated as well.

The background check for an FFL 3 and an tax stamp purchase are supposed to be the same, but you know the FFL 3 is more rigorously through and has more follow up checks.

originally posted by: MichaelAdams
NRA or Americans, which one is more important to our President? does anybody know?

Uh...the NRA IS AMERICANS.

So, the answer is Americans, and would cover both.

a reply to: Ahabstar

Ok, but i thought I said that civies unless they have a FF3 cant own fully automatic weapons or select fire weapons right?

a reply to: mortex

Just wanted to share this.

a reply to: yuppa

The FFL 3 is only for the licensed gun broker. You only need the $200 tax stamp. Same level of a background check, but you don’t pay the $1500 for FFL 3 (or is it $2500 now).

originally posted by: TrulyColorBlind

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: chr0naut
And your posts are still self admittedly crap.

Statutory laws usually stipulate what is not allowed rather than what is allowed.

So then you knowingly lie?
Tlb

They are expressing valid opinions

It clearly is the exception and does not support my argument.

The other incidents you referenced were not ongoing and caused protests and investigations when completed.
We will not let our government disarm us.
Period.
As you are not from here you simply cannot understand.

Flap your gums all you like you simply dont get it.

I never said they were ongoing nor that they went un-protested. All of the examples I gave were not ongoing and were protested so your counter argument is waaay beside the actual point, that the US government will turn on US citizens and that an armed citizenship will merely mean that the government will be more ready to act to overpower with deadly force.

They do periodic military exercises to prepare for urban conflict. They are prepared for it. US Army Training For Urban Warfare - Rense.com

It's not an "opinion" when it goes against facts. It's simply ignorance.

The problem is that there is factual support for both sides of the argument.

To ignore the facts that you don't like, is ignorant.

And debate arises from discussion about differences of opinion.

Sure, it's not as comforting as an echo chamber that rebounds what you say, but I hardly think that listening to an echo of your own thoughts provides any real validation of them.

Your opinions need to survive contest, struggle and battle. Now that is validation!