White House also involved in advising DNI not to share whistleblower complaint

a reply to: Grambler

The media is already backtracking on the whistleblower story

That's not true. The coverage of this issue is blowing up the TV and cable news.
On Wednsday it was a dribble, on Thursday it was a steady drip, and on Friday the tap was full open.

I think there is a tsunami on the way myself. This may be one teflon don can't slip out of.

The acting DNI did not have the authority to act on this report in any way save to submit it to congress. That in and of itself is a big problem that is trying to subvert the democratic process. Even a confirmed DNI would not have the authority to redirect the complaint away from congress or the American people.
But this guy who has been on the job for less than two months and is hand picked by donald trump decides the best thing to do is to circumvent standard operating procedures and try to hide the information and protect the president.
That is the picture being framed here. djt is assigning lackeys to top positions to protect himself from scrutiny.

The inspector general is on the side of the law here. What do you have t o say about that?

Oh and just because I feel like it donny boy says this is just partisan nonsense and fake news and the whistleblower is partisan and shouldn't have even had the information and is a trump hater,
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then says he doesn't know who the whistleblower is.

Thats some genius there. Ha ha ha ha.


Extortion
conspiracy to extort
oh so troubling. So very very troubling.

and there is supposedly a promise that would add even more crimes on.

a reply to: Zanti Misfit

Yeah like that undignified meme of the president is. oh wait, that's not a joke.

a reply to: Grambler

Shokin told me in written answers to questions that, before he was fired as general prosecutor, he had made “specific plans” for the investigation that “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”

thehill.com...

A little background about your hero, Viktor Shokin

Shokin was appointed General Prosecutor of Ukraine on 10 February 2015. He became deeply unpopular and was accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and hindering the fight against corruption in Ukraine. Various street protests demanding Shokin's resignation were held and his Deputy Prosecutor, Vitaly Kasko, resigned on 15 February 2016 denouncing the corruption and lawlessness of the Prosecutor's office. US Vice-President Joe Biden lobbied for Shokin resignation and the Obama Administration withheld a billion dollars in loan guarantees for the time Shokin held office.

Prosecutor General Shokin on 16 February 2016 submitted a letter of resignation. Although the next day an official of the prosecution office stated "As far as I know he has taken a paid leave". On 19 February 2016 presidential press secretary Sviatoslav Tsegolko wrote on Twitter that the presidential administration had received an official letter of resignation from Shokin. On 16 March 2016 an official of the prosecution office stated that Shokin had resumed his work. On 16 March 2016 Shokin had not been formally dismissed. Shokin was formally dismissed in a parliamentary vote on 29 March 2016. Following his dismissal Shokin went into retirement.

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And...

The European Union has welcomed the dismissal of Ukraine’s scandal-ridden prosecutor general and called for a crackdown on corruption, even as the country’s political crisis deepened over efforts to form a new ruling coalition and appoint a new prime minister.

Ukraine’s parliament voted overwhelmingly to fire Viktor Shokin, ridding the beleaguered prosecutor’s office of a figure who is accused of blocking major cases against allies and influential figures and stymying moves to root out graft.
“This decision creates an opportunity to make a fresh start in the prosecutor general’s office. I hope that the new prosecutor general will ensure that [his] office . . . becomes independent from political influence and pressure and enjoys public trust,” said Jan Tombinski, the EU’s envoy to Ukraine.

“There is still a lack of tangible results of investigations into serious cases . . . as well as investigations of high-level officials within the prosecutor general’s office,” he added.

www.irishtimes.com...

You have been showed the entire thread on this i did

a reply to: Grambler


This sentence made my eyes cross.

If all of what you claim is so true than why does trump have to withhold funds to extort the documentation and proof?
You act like the info is just there for anyone to see and say of yeah look at that its all true.
That's a lie. If there was any easily confirmed info supporting your claims then trump would not need to be extorting the information from the Ukrainian government he would just use your source. LOL.

a reply to: UKTruth

IRONIC

a reply to: Sillyolme

Haven't you read Trump's Twitter. All the information exonerating Trump and condemning Biden is there, according Trump and his followers.

Anything critical of Trump is obviously fake news!

Seriously though, the paradox Trump has created is just insane.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

That is the reason they wanted him out.
And obviously it was not Joe Biden acting on behalf of himself, when the international community at large wanted this corrupt criminal out.
But its convenient for trump to vilify Biden and try and make it look like there's something here.
This attempt to get dirt on an opponent is going to backfire on him big time.


It looks like this is the reason that Dan Coats quit in the first place.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Trump is furious with the Ukraine, because they cooperated with critical information that indicted Paul Manafort, and sent him to prison. Not to mention that the ousting of Shokin was a blow to Putin's puppetry within the Ukraine's government.

a reply to: jrod

Hmmm yes. This one, I think, is not going to go away very soon.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Which begs the question of what promise was made and who was involved in that.

The DOJ is claiming this information is not covered by any whistleblower policy.

Policy determines fact now not the other way around.

Its mind blowing.

Lets see what top GOP officials have to say about this this time.

a reply to: Sillyolme

Hey, good to see all the trump haters talking to each oher and ignoring anything that makes their hero Obamas admin look bad.

1. You didnt address anything into Biden threatening a billion dollars to get the prosecutor who was looking at his sons company fired. If this was trump, you would be screaming impeachment

2. Funny how you only focus on media outlets you agree with. The washington post, who hates trump, says their informant said there was no quid pro quo or discussion of witholding aid over this.

Now cnn reporting the whistle blower didnt even hear the phone call

The whistleblower didn't have direct knowledge of the communications, an official briefed on the matter told CNN. Instead, the whistleblower's concerns came in part from learning information that was not obtained during the course of their work, and those details have played a role in the administration's determination that the complaint didn't fit the reporting requirements under the intelligence whistleblower law, the official said.

www.cnn.com...

But you are right ion that their is a tsunami from the media, as I predicted. Because the facts dont matter, they will use anything to smear trump.

3. This article show that actually it was the Ukranian President who wants to give Trumps admin evidence of Bidne and his sons corruption, and the dnc getting urkainians to interfere in the 2016 election.

According to interviews with more than a dozen Ukrainian and U.S. officials, Ukraine’s government under recently departed President Petro Poroshenko and, now, Zelensky has been trying since summer 2018 to hand over evidence about the conduct of Americans they believe might be involved in violations of U.S. law during the Obama years.

The Ukrainians say their efforts to get their allegations to U.S. authorities were thwarted first by the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, which failed to issue timely visas allowing them to visit America.

Then the Ukrainians hired a former U.S. attorney — not Giuliani — to hand-deliver the evidence of wrongdoing to the U.S. attorney's office in New York, but the federal prosecutors never responded.

The U.S. attorney, a respected American, confirmed the Ukrainians’ story to me. The allegations that Ukrainian officials wanted to pass on involved both efforts by the Democratic National Committee to pressure Ukraine to meddle in the 2016 U.S. election as well as Joe Biden’s son’s effort to make money in Ukraine while the former vice president managed U.S.-Ukraine relations, the retired U.S. attorney told me.

thehill.com...

If this is true, not only did trump do nothing wrong, the dems are in big trouble.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

Your condescension calling shokin my hero is unwarranted.

Im aware shokin was accused of corruption, his entire office was.

So why is posting his deputy who was in the same office and taking their word for something ok, but not shokin himself.

Tell me, if trump had fired mueller, and said it was because tons of people said mueller did all sorts of corrupt things when mueller was head of the fbi, and some guy at the fbio said yeah mueller sucked, when you then say "well mueller was corrupt so it doesnt matter what he says. Trump was roght to fire him"

Of course not

You would say even if those allegations of corruption were true, trump had no right to fire a guy perosnally looking on to hom and his faily.

Yet somehow it was ok for Biden to threaten with a billion dollars of our tax money to fire the prosecutor charged with looking in to his son, becaause other people said that prosecutor was corrupt?

Had trump done this you all would be going insane right now.

the left is a fish


President Trump is a Master Baiter



winning!!! 😁👍😉😀🎪🎪

a reply to: Grambler

The basis of this attack on Biden is premised on the errant idea that he, unilaterally, on his own, bribed the Ukraine leader to fire Shokin to protect his son. History says otherwise.

It certainly doesn't excuse Trump trying to extort the Ukraine to get dirt on his political opponent.

a reply to: Sookiechacha


so justice for all, or not?


second line.

a reply to: thedigirati

No justice is being served as long as this president and his administration asserts that he is above the law.

a reply to: Grambler

Had Obama done this you would be going insane.

Yet here you are doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to justify Trump's abuse of power.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

There is no proof trump extorted Ukraine

There is evidence Biden did

Yet you say well it’s ok, cause Biden didn’t act alone, when Biden’s in words say the decision was up to him

So on one hand you excuse Biden knowing he did this, in the other hand you say trump is guilty of extortion based in mere rumors with no proof

I already posted the Washington post said the money was never mentioned on the call, and cnn saying the whistle blower didn’t even here the call

But go ahead, post me proof of trump extortion

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: thedigirati

No justice is being served as long as this president and his administration asserts that he is above the law.

Hunter Biden had 0 experience in the field that the Ukranian company paid him millions to be on their board of directors. Sleepy Joe had nothing corrupt to do with getting him that gig though right?

Lolz🤪

You guys are getting lazy

a reply to: Grambler

There is no proof trump extorted Ukraine

There is evidence Biden did

There's plenty of evidence that Trump did.

There is no evidence that Biden did what he is being accused of, which is bribing the Ukrainian president to protect his son. There is evidence that Biden lobbied on behalf of the Obama Administration, and was authorized to use US loan guarantees as leverage, on behalf of Western values in the Ukraine.