FEMA Just Might Turn Off Everyones Cars

a reply to: MissSmartypants

Very interesting topic.

In my city (UK) there's a plan afoot to ban cars of a certain age, the premise being only modern cars meeting certain emissions criteria (and presumably equipped with 'smart' connectivity) should be allowed. Period. No exceptions. This is one way (a process of legal attrition) to gradually enforce car owners to "upgrade" to new computerized models (and in the context of the OP, models that can be shut down remotely).

There's also EU legislation in the offing to control car speed in urban areas; that is, if the speed limit is 30mph (or 20mph as it is in my city) then the onboard car computer prevents the driver from exceeding the stated speed limit. Presumably same applies on the motor/free-ways. If this is technically feasible then surely it's also possible to shut down all [suitably equipped] cars, as per the OP's suggestion.

This is a European perspective and one American members will likely be uncomfortable with.

p.s. I'll post references to both later - I'm pushed for time right now. I can certainly vouch for the former being 'official' and legitimate as I responded to the public consultation process.

a reply to: BenutzerUnbekannt
Do you have a source? I want to see how they access the Haltech that is running my car and tell it how it can not exceed 20mph.

I am from your country, judging by your Nickname.. I see this as a EU perspective, not something that Europeans in general agree on or want to have. It is the upper 1% who will never be affected by this, that want to push it.

a reply to: Oleandra88

Here are two sources covering the broader topic for now, one from The Guardian and the other from the European Commission (the horse's mouth, as 'twere):

theguardian.com.../all-new-uk-cars-to -have-speed-limiters-by-2022-under-eu-plans

ec.e uropa.eu.../intelligent_speed_adaptation_isa_en

I'm not that sure about the technological aspects - a bit beyond my comprehension - but it's certainly a move towards controlling vehicle (or rather driver) behavior externally. It's pure speculation on my part, but it seems very likely 'they' (law makers) will seek to remove all non-compliant vehicles from the roads over time. Or perhaps the technology could be retro-fitted to some vehicles -?

a reply to: BenutzerUnbekannt
I went on to look for myself but thank you very much for taking the time and posting it here.

It is a horrible law and as long as I can, I will find ways to circumvent this. What happens if I overtake someone and the idiot decides to do a little race? The kind of drivers doing 30 in a 50 zone and when you overtake them with 20% throttle you suddenly drive side-by-side doing 100, because they can not stand to be overtaken.

First, let us get off all those people from the street, who have to be the "winner". It is far more dangerous behavior than someone driving fast where she/he can. I am much more "afraid" of those people than someone who drives at the upper end of the speed limit. It is the same sort of people that will swerve into the other lane in curves or generally, swerving into the lane when someone wants to overtake.

I stopped someone like this once. She had her son with her, maybe 10 or 12? I overtook her while she was doing 70ish in a 100 zone, complete straight, no traffic. It is my right to overtake her and we ended up both doing around 140km/h. I was wondering why she does not show up in the mirror and saw her in my dead spot working gears.

I floored it when I realized she is trying to race me / do not let me overtake. I brought her to a stop at the entrance to the town and told her what she just did (I could sue her, she could loose her licence).

Her young son did know exactly that it was wrong.

These are the kind of situations we need to address first, before we screw with the speed limit.

Luckily...we have lots of smart peeps who know how to reprogram a cars computer. Was looking at a job doing that actually.



a reply to: Oleandra88

a reply to: lakenheath24
The only problem I see with this is that all those smart peeps use the manufactures tools to do it.
Yes, someone, somewhere will find a way, but who is going to be that person and how long will that person or group be able to keep up?

The ECU in my fun car is free programmable but not the ECU in my daily drive. Sure, I can get the CAN adapter and mess around with the comfort functions but everything else is locked down. You need hardware and software from the car maker and if they do not include this, you are screwed.

If you want to earn money reprogramming cars (not just setting checkboxes in a other program) you need to know exactly how everything works in the car. Just an example:

Someone (friend of a friend) got a map from a US based company for his Aventador. I know the US fuel quality is bad in comparance to our fuel (98-102 octane). But the US based company did not knew this, or had no experience with such high grade fuels being used constantly.

So in the end it was possible to drive 3-4° longer ignition angle than in the US. Just a small example.

But if you like it, go for it!

What kind of car? Son in law has an aldi and a skoda and both were remapped....it changes the timing, boost, and basically everything you want.


a reply to: Oleandra88

a reply to: lakenheath24
It manages an RB30DET with variable cams, so different world all together.

Yes, sure, I had that done to my old AUDI, a remap to put more than 50% increase in HP and more than 100NM torque on top of the standard map. It could be done because the same engine with same parts has this map from factory, it was a Diesel.

They will integrate it in most of the control units, in a modern care you have several control units talking to each other. They will make it so hard to a point you loose security features. There will always be someone who will find a way but this is for the 2% of people who are into this.

I am not a stranger to the topic, I spent hundreds of km on mapping drives and dynometer runs. I can not map myself but I am getting behind the relationships slowly.

No one will remap their car if they risk a manslaughter sue or worse if something happens and it turned out you were circumventing the system. New cars here have to have GPS onboard now since a year I think. So there is no way messing with the speedo signal or similar. Technically a remap is all about the engine profile parameters. I would not hesitate to call a config change a "remap".

But I got what you mean.

Many years ago I read that OBD 3 would be capable of live streaming your location and just send you a speeding ticket
as required. Same with any emmissions fails...ticket in the post.
Mandatory gps is another step towards that. Its not about safety....its about revenue.

I have a standalone on my 88 that controls anything i want including methanol and nitrous injection. I gotta check uk laws but luckily my insurance is through an american company.

And that black box belongs to the insurance company in the event of an accident. It knows everything...brske pressure, steering angle, seat belt usage, aint no lying about anything any more!!!!



a reply to: Oleandra88

a reply to: lakenheath24
I skipped the oxide injection on the RB30 because I wanted it to get street legal. Before it had an RB28 that I cracked cyl. walls between 3-4, different story. We got emissions and blowing through cats under control, last obstacle is the dB.

I can select different maps via knob now and turn single things like ignition cutter, rev limiter, rolling boost, vcam active or not and so on.

It was quiet an ordeal to make it compatible with the cable tree, in the aftermath we should have pulled the whole cable tree and make a new one from scratch.

What ECU are you using, it sounds like you have some piggyback ECU manipulating the signals from the original one. In the RB30 I have the haltech platinum. Some original things do not work with it, like the Display in the R34 GTR, where the motor originally was built for. Sold the chassis and kept the motor as a replacement for the R33 because it has the custom transmission (seq 6 gear, long 1st) that can take a thousand horses and is optimized for track. When it comes on boost around 4500 all hell breaks loose until 9800. I recently learned how to shift propper on the dog box, that is on a nother level now, without the shift interupts. It is like a explosion is set off behind the car, or it feels like someone just drove into the car from behind when the gear engage and the exhaust is still providing flow to the turbos exhaust wheel.

My daily car has a blackbox like that from factory, but no GPS. It also saves RPM, engine load and other things. As soon as the airbag deploys it is all stored to somewhere else and secured against tampering.

a reply to: Oleandra88


Its a company callled Stinger that makes a standalone unit for the Ford EC-IV. I am importing my Thunderbird soon. It has a 2.3 Turbo motor. Gonna shoot for 400hp. I really wanted to do a Coyote swap but there ya go....got too deep into this 4 cylinder stuff.

www.stinger-performance.com...


Mine looks like this but its been heavily modified....my bucket list is to drive around the Nuherburgring...among other tracks.
www.bing.com...

a reply to: lakenheath24

I know the Thunderbird, I was passenger in one, once. Had a special flair to it I can remember. The bashed suspension in combination with the RWD made it a little adventurous for me haha.

The problem with the Nuremburgring is this: You do not want to drive when it is public road day, because stupid people doing stupid stuff. Except if you just want to commute it.

There are ways though, to have the track almost for yourself, feel free to contact me when the time comes

a reply to: Oleandra88

Oleandra88, speaking of autos in Germany ... what is the latest news in the Diesel saga? Can diesel motor vehicles drive in Muenchen? I've heard Berlin and Stuttgart are off-limits to Diesel motors.

Cheers

a reply to: Oleandra88



I shall, thanks!! The suspension is totally changed, coil-overs all around, tubular a-arms and k-member...roll cage, big brakes. It's not your typical American straight line car...LOL




I have seen some clubs here that race all the F1 tracks...its an expensive track day though 4-700 pounds.

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2
Typically, the news is overreaching and not telling you the details but you are not to blame of course.

Yes, they can. It is older Diesels that are locked out from some parts of the city and it is determined by the EURO3-4-5 norm your car fulfills or not. We have stickers that determine if your car can go into these regions of the city or not by color, for like over 10 years now.

It is also not only Diesel but gasoline, too. It depends on the EURO-norm and how much CO2 it is spewing out. Ironically I pay 1/3 of the old tax from my Diesel, for the new one that has like double the CO2 amount, more fine dust but who cares, I go the cheapest route because I am not Greta Thunberg.

My fuel/co2 summary is not good but I try to make that up through other things. And If I need to drive into a city where I am not allowed to? I simply do it. A speeding ticket is several factors more expensive that getting a 15€ ticket.

Do not get me started on how they measure the exhaust levels, they put a sensor station at the biggest traffic jams, right next to the standing trucks.

It is as sly and deceiving as it can get, really.

TL;DR: Yes, we can and I will if I need to.

a reply to: Oleandra88

Ich bedanke mich für den nutzbar Hinweis.

Cheers

a reply to: lakenheath24

The fuel is a bit pricey and if you do not need a service garage, there are ways to arrange this. Private time attacks are also possible, we did one there but expect at least a nother team on the track and a few months pre-planing.

A single round is like 30€ on tourist-days.
A year ticket is like ~1960€.

Like I wrote, contact me and I make a call and see what I can do, that is, if you want to go full throttle relative safe and not just cruising with the pack. It is all fun and games until you really want to go for it. Then you can not afford some daily road driver doing their thing, because they do not expect you on "Döttinger Höhe" coming from behind doing +260kmh (160mph).

Also debris and motorcycle drivers is an issue on these days.

a reply to: Oleandra88


Hmmm, can't seem to PM you but will keep this thread in mind. I plan on towing it there with some support equipment.


Thanks for the info!!!!

a reply to: lakenheath24

I wrote you a message so you can reply. That reminds me of someone I urgently need to write back.

Remeber in the movie idiocracy, the car gets disabled because it detects a fugitive or something.

And that movie is a prophecy