A hypothetical invasion/colonization of the People's Republic of China by a US-led Coalition

a reply to: butcherguy

It doesn't matter if it's 20% of Chinese survive and only 15% Americans would survive. The fact is if only 20% of them survive then colonization would not be a major problem.

It's a moot point though the US has no interest in colonizing China and it will never happen.

a reply to: Middleoftheroad

So, they need us...

...and we need them?

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: butcherguy

It doesn't matter if it's 20% of Chinese survive and only 15% Americans would survive. The fact is if only 20% of them survive then colonization would not be a major problem.

It's a moot point though the US has no interest in colonizing China and it will never happen.

Why not? China has an overwhelming abundance of natural resources etc. Also, the People's Republic could become a major, major threat in the (near) future.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: butcherguy

It doesn't matter if it's 20% of Chinese survive and only 15% Americans would survive. The fact is if only 20% of them survive then colonization would not be a major problem.

It's a moot point though the US has no interest in colonizing China and it will never happen.

You are correct, but my point was that more Chinese might survive than you would expect, due to the fact that fewer of them rely heavily on electrical power than we do.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII


Ummm...wouldn’t a better strategy be to completely subvert their system of government...?

1. Hypothetically of course...tariff...embargo and sanction their ability to produce and procure food stocks/etc...

2. Continually deactivate/destroy their ability to produce power...3 gorges dam etc...

3. Give ample warning so that downstream civilian populations can safely evacuate the flood plain...

4. Decapitate their regime with targeted strikes...

5. It’d be one long row to hoe and China would no doubt attempt to use nukes...so removing those from the game would be priority one...


Use “The Art of War” against them...






YouSir

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII
a reply to: Middleoftheroad

So, they need us...

...and we need them?

Ummm...NO...they need us...we don’t need them or their products...





YouSir

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

I would say they need us to continue propping up their economy by stealing from us and our allies while being able to ignore the rules in the WTO.

Unsure what the hell we need them for. Cheaply made products? I'd say in the next year or two if China continues to not purchase from our farmers, the farmers will find new customers anyways.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Well after David Cameron reduced our navy to a few row boat's and an aircraft carrier that has no planes - oh and a submarine that get's stuck on sand bank's I think you can safely count the UK out of this one.

But seriously NO, China is far too large for such a hypothetical incursion, we could take control of the nation very easily yes IF we (All the nations you have named) worked as a single unit (which is never going to happen) but remember we are in the nuclear age and China has a lot of very powerful nukes of there own equally capable of destroying the majority of the west in the process.

Better that we all learn just to live together it's a small planet and the Chinese are more of an asset than a burden except for some nations economy's.

Most of the problem is that the real problem with China is that it's a rich man's war, by that I mean economists are instead of putting living standards as the measure of a nation measuring it by it's over all wealth which is all well and good except that the wealth they are measuring is an artificial estimate of a nations position as it has more to do with a tiny minority or people and a overly powerful corporate entity's.

This tiny minority are SCARED of the new minority of equally wealthy and growingly powerful individuals and corporations in China as they threaten there stranglehold on the world - and to replace them with a new stranglehold throwing there own global domination plan's out of the window - that and the Chinese are not willing to play ball with them since the Commie party despite not really being very commie these day's more of a new imperial dynasty of sorts with it's own mandarins in every town called party members is really in control of those Chinese minority and it's corporate entity's which mean's that they probably would dominate the NWO if they decided to play ball - which would then mean the orchestrators of the NWO would lose out which they have no intention of doing so.

I have my problems with China, there destruction of coral reef's, there human right's abuses, there forced harvesting of human organ's, the fact that so many children died as a result of there one child policy which though now rescinded to a two child policy has caused lasting harm to there young folk creating a male dominated society with two few lady's and there invasion of Tibet (to be fair the Tibetan's in the past invaded China plenty of time's and even had China paying them a yearly tax for a few century's or they would invade them again), the HAN majority's racism and xenophobia as well as there cultural destruction of other non Han minority's and ethnic cleansing by forced sterilization done more to non Han Chinese and Tibetan's and claim's of cannibalistic villages in some parts of China including the eating of new born baby's according to some report's (though to be fair these would be an extreme minority but then forced organ harvesting is a form of Cannibalism is it not).

But one third of the world's population live there, that's one in three of us, imagine walking down a street in which one in three people were Chinese and the rest of them were from various other group's and you begin to see a true picture of the human racial demographic.

We live on a tiny planet, we need to work together to solve it's problem's and we in the west have far more serious problem's, we need to remove the power of corporations from our politics and put living standards as our real measure of national supremacy making them our priority - we could solve all of our poverty issues over night if there was the political will but sadly our politician's are either two stupid or else in the pay of lobby group's that belong to the corporation's and the tiny minority of ultra wealthy whom do not care if people live or die in poverty as they see everyone else as disposable humanity anyway.


Things to like about China, well at least one third of the good recipe ideas in the world (not the cannibalistic minority ones) come from there, silk, ancient cultural heritage with some of the longest lasting and oldest civilizations in human history and a lasting contribution to world culture as well as some fine art and most of them are just like you or me just Chinese not English or American or Irish or what have you.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

I'm sorry but short of a plague killing off 75% of the people there it would never be possible.

Also unlike all the countries you mentioned Chinese people are different. There might be many of them, but the vast majority are all of one mind. They would willingly give up their lives for the good of the overall country.

So interesting how we forget history so quickly, Read up on Vietnam and what went wrong there, now
multiply that and add a lot more land..

Absolutely no chance that any coalition could invade and occupy China. It would a bloodbath the likes of which has not been seen in our history.

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: musicismagic
Do you know how big China is?

They said the same thing about "Africa", that continent down there...written records do have a way with words...

Yes, that is why Africa is still full of black people unlike America replacing Natives.

a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Repeat of 8 nation alliance?
I don't think the world is going to support that. Especially when there are families in living China.

originally posted by: musicismagic

originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: AnakinWayneII

Your post reminds me of a quote from a famous Nazi, referring to the United States:

“The Americans cannot build aeroplanes. They are very good at refrigerators and razor blades.” -- Hermann Goring

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You may be underestimating the capabilities of the Chinese.

Many of us here on Ats live in Asia.
There is a saying#" you do not know what the chinese are thinking of ".

No # because the Chinese are not a puppet, or controlled by US deep state. Any form of colonization will just give the enemy behind the scene more power than before. If US military is unwillingly to release tech to public what would you think if they take away all the Chinese tech and horde it for themselves.

It will be a massive losing game as usual for the civilians.

a reply to: LABTECH767

A lot of the non-Han cultures are actually fake and cause by other conquerors. You need to read deeper into Chinese history. Those idiots are being brainwashed by deep state media just as today to make sure there will be no Yellow people in power. They want Asia to be like ME in constant warfare(especially from the US). If that happens rest of the world will be next. Russia ain't falling for your China crap anymore since the Tsars.

You have to remember USSR only died because US freaking allied China in the Cold war. I read somewhere that USSR and US didn't like a united China. They planned to keep China divided between Communist and Capitalist. It didn't work. Too many people on the forum here are so Sino-phobic. Taiwan is pretty much can't be saved. It is an old dynasty of Chiang. The only way Chinese is going to have civil war is by an actual Chinese state/Warlord which is non-aligned to the west.

a reply to: makemap

That is a strong opinion but not one backed up by the fact's, the Han are only one grouping of Chinese people whom have become dominant over time, there are actually very many other Chinese people's - they do all have what you may call Asian characteristic's and what we in the west call Mongoloid features since the first people our historians recorded with those features were of course the Mongol soldiers - though you know the Mongol's were not the first and in fact it is today considered but not without some contention that the Hun tribes whom terrorized and nearly conquered Rome in it's latter day's also originated in Mongolia or even western China, there are people in Germany whom have very strong Asiatic features - though mixed with very strong Nordic ones and I can not remember if it is in Austria, Hungary (probably) or Germany but there is an valley were the men all have a distinctive marking at the base of there spine which has been associated with Mongolian ancestry specifically the Hun's and the Mongol hoard of Genghis yet they too appear western.

While in China though not Europeans they had very similar features and were what we call a Caucasoid racial group (named after the Caucasus mountains in Russia were it was once theorized that the Europeans may have begun though partially in contention with and in agreement with the similar theory stating that the Aryan people's (Persian's) may also be the origin of the European people's - in other word's no one really knows but they have a load of hair brained ideas.

DNA has shed new light however though any claim is never going to be concise because it turn's out that people have been travelling east and west for countless generations and intermarrying long before the Turk tribes drove a wedge into this interaction adding there own distinctive DNA to the mix.

Back to China therefore there is no DEEP STATE in this argument people are people, the Japanese are NOT Chinese yet they are similar in appearance - with slight differences the Chinese tend to have rounder faces, the Korean's are also not Chinese though they like the Japanese are related to them, the Ainu (whom despite claim's by some that they appear western actually look more (Ancient pre Chinese) Mongolian/Siberianan and native American are the remnant of the original indigenous people in Japan and probably the same group once lived in China before the likely south east jungle people (or central Asian since it is also possible that the origin of the mongoloid races stem's from there) out developed them and then conquered them in time removing them almost entirely from the genetic legacy of China itself.

Today the HAN Chinese outnumber there fellow Chinese being 91 percent of the Chinese population today but this was historically the outcome of war and massacre with the victors settling the land they had conquered just like anywhere else in the world.
There are remnant's of some of the other surviving Chinese races but you would be very hard pressed to tell them apart except for there culture, language and clothing though many of these other people's once had there own distinctive civilizations in what is today China.

The Zhuang (Sh-Joo-ang I believe it is pronounced) are every bit as Chinese as the Han yet they now only account for 1.3 percent of the Chinese population but once they were as powerful as the Han in there own right and there are other's such as the Manchu, despite there inherent self belief that they are a superior human race it turn's out that the Han themselves are actually not a single race but several that have adopted the dominant Han culture and language so genetically they also are far from the mythical concept of a pure race and are indeed very mixed.

There are three main types of human skull, the Asian, the Cauc-Asian (I have added the - and made the central letter into a capital to point out the name for the European race also has Asian connotations since it is believed by some that we rose in the Caucasus with Asian ancestry) and the Negroid (no offence it is just what it is called and yes I know the racial connotations of using that term which in French I believe translates as black), westerners have what are nicknamed aviator glass's eye sockets, a square outer eye socket gives them the impression of having squarish eye's, the Asian and the Negroid have round eye sockets, the Nose is another difference with the nasal cavity in Europeans being narrow and long while in Asian's it is more rounded and wider with the largest nasal cavity being that of the native African people's BUT other than that brain size is usually only dependant upon nutrition and we are all essentially the same with minor differences - we are not different species, I could marry and have kid's with an Asian or an African lady and vice versa, we are one race called humanity but you do know that the Han have a reputation for being exceptionally racist toward other people's which given that they are not the pure race they see themselves as is simply hypocrisy but it may have served them culturally in keeping there tradition's alive.

In the three main skull types our teeth are another difference but are far more varied than the other dominant features and can not simply be argued to belong to one racial grouping or another, typically though African's have the strongest teeth, Europeans have the next strongest but tend to be smaller than the African teeth and east Asian's have much smaller teeth, this is only a broad comparison though as some Mongolian's have teeth that are stronger still and some Europeans have tiny teeth as do some African's, once again people are people and these are merely family trait's not divisions in our race as we can still have kid's with one another so are the same species not separate races as the racists would like to make out for there twisted ideology's.

a reply to: butcherguy

yeah the last time the west all stepped on china's neck was the opium wars (UK france germany usa and russia) and at that time they were not that industrialized and roughly 80 percent (im totally spitballing) was living the farm life that they had done mostly for centuries its an entirely different animal today.

there is a reason there is a quote only idiots start land wars in asia,the imperial Japanese made a go of it during a chinese civil war and used biological and chemical weapons and still had a pretty hard time of it. i think the last country to seriously conquer and occupy china was Genghis Khan. if there is a war with china it will be a attempted blockaide and air war no one is gonna invade it on the ground ,only India has the population to match and that front would be through the Himalayas.

only way china is gonna change is if it has a civil war again and that is what china fears its own people rising up vs any one else invading it.

but in all fairness the last time they the Chinese went to war they got punched in the face by the Vietnamese after we(USA) left and chased the Chinese out of the country and they as of yet have not even managed to take out Taiwan

but baring all nato nations reinstating a draft ,and getting India and Russia on board with all the former soviet republics and every allied navies getting together for an amphibious assault that would make d-day look like a play date in comparison it aint gonna happen and even then it would be an absolute meat grinder. the last time the world had a chance of "wiping out the Chinese militarily" was when MacArthur wanted to carpet bomb china with nukes so they wouldn't be a problem in the future and that would have caused the cold war to go hot