Are there any liberals that don't support Palestine? Are there any technocratic liberals?

Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib are entitled to their views but I wish we could see more liberals who say that humanity should evolve past nationalism and superstition.

Liberals who say that they want to see a post nationalist post religious humanity that has expanded into space!

Do liberals like that exist?

Ummm.. if we dont support Palestine, does that mean we support isreal? Can we kind of support both? Like both deserve a land to call their own, to live in peace and security. Can we then call out one side when they fail to allow the other this, regardless of who the offender is?
Can we just want peace for both??
We are always gonna have territorial subgroupings within such a large group that humanity is. Weather you call them nations, states, provindences, or whatever. And. It's only human nature for those groups to work together for what they see as beneficial to their group.
And though religions evolve, the names of the gods change, I dont think they will ever completely go away. We will always have the questions with no answers. The dark hidden voids where superstitions are born.

Can we support neither, poison their crops and take their resources?
Either would gladly do that to the rest of the world, IMO.

Bible thumpers are crazy in every language.

a reply to: dawnstar

The official US stance is supporting a two state solution. So technically the US supports both, but obviously we are closer with Israel.

a reply to: dawnstar

if we dont support Palestine

What do you consider Palestine ?

a reply to: Gothmog

It's probably consists of the descendants of those that inhabited the land before the European Jews had it handed to them.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Gothmog

It's probably consists of the descendants of those that inhabited the land before the European Jews had it handed to them.

I thought people started buying land there in the late 1800s 😎

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Gothmog

It's probably consists of the descendants of those that inhabited the land before the European Jews had it handed to them.

Sure about that?
Perhaps Jews were actually referred to as Palestinians in the early part of the 20th Century.. perhaps... worth looking into I'd suggest.

a reply to: xuenchen

People weren't buying land before that? Who were they buying the land from, the previous owners of the land maybe? And, didnt all these people there living and having babies in what was Palestine and therefore Palestinians?
Some were Islamic, some where Christian, some were Jews, if they traced their DNA, they would find roots from egypt, iran, Syria, all over the middle east and beyond. What made them Palestinian was they area they called home, just like what makes us American is living in the United states.

a reply to: CmdrShep2154

Plenty, actually. Just like there's plenty of conservatives out there that don't have their nose shoved up Israel's proverbial ass, too.

The bulk of people just want the two sides to grow TF up and figure out a way to exist over there together.

a reply to: CmdrShep2154

It is kinda a weird dynamic that “right by conquest” Stop being considered acceptable within the last hundred years.. less really.. it makes for a weird dynamic where governments claim it is no longer valid, but then the conquered people are like , “WHAT?!!

But we just got conquered last week and NOW you wanna say we cannot reclaim it...

How convenient..”




I don’t thank any real percentage of liberals support palistine.

I think most don’t like the fact our tax dollars and military hardware have facilitated the Israelis conquering the region.

Which is the reason the region hates us make no mistake..

To control the region (mainly the British if memory servers) set it up so the west could control the oil reserves through Israel..

But Americana was the muscle so we became the global face of Israel in a way..

So we get blamed for everything they do....

a reply to: UKTruth

Did Hitler refer to them as Jews or Palestinians when he was calling for them to all be rounded up?

The bulk of people just want the two sides to grow TF up and figure out a way to exist over there together.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

Did Hitler refer to them as Jews or Palestinians when he was calling for them to all be rounded up?

Hitler worked with arabs in Palestinian lands (Palestinians) to eradicate jews in Palestinian lands (Palestinians).

originally posted by: martinedwards
The bulk of people just want the two sides to grow TF up and figure out a way to exist over there together.

As they did right up to the early 20th Century.
Unfortunately extremists on both sides, probably/likely a minority, ruined the balance completely.
A lesson for any society living amongst shared belief systems.

a reply to: UKTruth

So you agree, the word Palestinian could be used for both the arabs and Jews in the land referred to as palestine..
But, my question would be were the Jews living in Europe, some who probably had roots on the European continent since the fall of ancient Isreal (not to be confused with the fall of Judah which came later. ) , called Palestinians?
I dont think they were, they were called Jews even though except for their religious traditions, they were very much European, not Palestinian.

originally posted by: lordcomac
Can we support neither, poison their crops and take their resources?
Either would gladly do that to the rest of the world, IMO.

Bible thumpers are crazy in every language.

Are Koran thumpers crazy too?

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: UKTruth

Did Hitler refer to them as Jews or Palestinians when he was calling for them to all be rounded up?

Hitler worked with arabs in Palestinian lands (Palestinians) to eradicate jews in Palestinian lands (Palestinians).

He actually worked on idea to (sorta) give the Jews the island of Madagascar before he went all final solution.
Australia famously lost the Great Emu War, I wonder if the Jews would have kicked off on Lemurs?

You can't advocate for israel to stop gunning down unarmed protesters and for hamas to stop their attacks too?

Keep drinking that kool aid

a reply to: martinedwards

Yup and both sides are committing attrocities. Only the msm kool aid drinkers think israel's gov. Is innocent.