Large underwater observatory mysteriously vanishes from Baltic Sea

If someone wanted the data to stop being recorded, then merely damaging the electronics would be enough for that.

Why remove it?

Perhaps it serves 2 purposes:

1- Make it impossible for the authorities to determine what happened to it with certainty.

2- Make sure the German authorities know it was on purpose.

I'm thinking the Russians.



Another possibility would be if the station had cutting edge technology in its sensor array. A competitor might steal it to get the design. That design might be worth much more than $330,000

a reply to: trollz

No transponder tisk tisk

originally posted by: carsforkids
a reply to: trollz

No transponder tisk tisk

Or Gps?

hmmm ... disappeared ? how about that...

Two sunken Dutch submarines have suddenly disappeared. The shipwrecks have been in Malaysia since the Second World War. Where the submarines are now is unknown. Agreements between the Netherlands and Malaysia earlier this year on the protection of the wrecks make the disappearance extra nasty. A team of Dutch and Malaysian experts discovered that the shipwrecks were no longer in place. Remnants of one of the ships are still present on the seabed, only the print of the other wreck can be seen. There is a chance that the shipwrecks are illegally salvaged to sell the iron. That happens more often in the region.

theworldnews.net... ws/nederlandse-scheepswrakken-van-zeebodem-verdwenen-minister-bijleveld-diep-geraakt

yep occam razor... or another species living on the seabed. Salvaging a submarine ? Who can do that.

a reply to: frenchfries

Interesting, your link is now 404...

a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Out of all the replies, I think this is probably the most likely. Imagine a fast moving attack sub flying along blind as a bat and running into this thing. Might be 1 chance in a million but they've surfaced under surface shipping before too.

My money is on a sub running into it and shearing the thing off.

originally posted by: KKLOCO

originally posted by: Night Star
Intriguing as hell! I hope someone has come across more information and can share with us. If all else fails for an explanation... I'll go with aliens.

Well technically, Chewy is an alien. So yeah, aliens did it.

So is Han and everyone else in that particular story.

a reply to: trollz

Somebody knows...

a reply to: KKLOCO


beh those uso's again...
this still up and running...

The wrecks of two Dutch submarines disapeared into thin water

The wrecks of two Dutch submarines that perished in Malaysia during the Second World War have disappeared. Defense Minister Bijleveld wrote that to the Lower House. A few remains of the O 16 submarine were recovered during an expedition, but the K XVII has disappeared altogether. Only a print in the seabed indicates that the wreck was there. Expedition A specially composed team of Dutch and Malaysian experts is now conducting the expedition in Malaysia and has visited the locations of the O 16 and K XVII. The expedition takes place in the context of a recently signed declaration of intent between the Netherlands and Malaysia on maritime heritage. "This message touches us deeply," the minister writes. She calls the wreckage locations the last resting place of those on board who form a place of remembrance. Commemoration The relatives of the dozens of seamen who died in the meantime have been informed of the disappearance. Last week out of respect for the survivors at both locations a memorial was held by the members of the expedition. The minister is discussing follow-up steps with Malaysia.

originally posted by: frenchfries
hmmm ... disappeared ? how about that...

Two sunken Dutch submarines have suddenly disappeared. The shipwrecks have been in Malaysia since the Second World War. Where the submarines are now is unknown. Agreements between the Netherlands and Malaysia earlier this year on the protection of the wrecks make the disappearance extra nasty. A team of Dutch and Malaysian experts discovered that the shipwrecks were no longer in place. Remnants of one of the ships are still present on the seabed, only the print of the other wreck can be seen. There is a chance that the shipwrecks are illegally salvaged to sell the iron. That happens more often in the region.

theworldnews.net... ws/nederlandse-scheepswrakken-van-zeebodem-verdwenen-minister-bijleveld-diep-geraakt

yep occam razor... or another species living on the seabed. Salvaging a submarine ? Who can do that.

Shipwrecks all across Asian waters are disappearing at a pretty astonishing rate over the last decade. They are being illegally salvaged.


www.theguardian.com...



In this case, I'd guess it was snagged and dragged by a trawling net. Maybe a sub collision. Interesting.

originally posted by: billxam
a reply to: F2d5thCavv2

Out of all the replies, I think this is probably the most likely. Imagine a fast moving attack sub flying along blind as a bat and running into this thing. Might be 1 chance in a million but they've surfaced under surface shipping before too.

My money is on a sub running into it and shearing the thing off.

If that was the case where is the wreckage? The whole thing disappearing is weird, if it was attacked or crashed into there would be wreckage.

a reply to: RadioRobert

IMHO

Well what I don't understand , is it really that easy and cheap to salvage old iron ? I guess it takes quite some investment and planning to salvage a shipwreck ? have any people been arrested or is it speculation ? Old rusty iron and WWII equipment selling , diving 80m deep. With the risk of being caught by the authorities. Is there any proof that that is what is actually happening ? somehow I don't think the official story is what's really going on

a reply to: chris_stibrany

Yep....and they fly those tic-tac ships that have been seen all over the world.

a reply to: frenchfries

Depends on how deep it is, I imagine. Labour is cheap in the Far East, and OSHA isn't a major presence Diving is possible in shallower waters. They use cranes and dredges and trawl with magnets on ships and barges for deep for waters. Like giant-versions of magnet fishing. Pre-atomic testing steel is quite valuable.


Also, they, in that article and others, discuss watching the wrecks disturbed in progress over the course of weeks and months. I don't think aliens are taking parts off ships week to week. They'd probably be quicker about it... There have been several times salvagers have been caught red-handed.


www.straitstimes.com...

originally posted by: frenchfries
Well what I don't understand , is it really that easy and cheap to salvage old iron ? I guess it takes quite some investment and planning to salvage a shipwreck ? have any people been arrested or is it speculation ? Old rusty iron and WWII equipment selling , diving 80m deep. With the risk of being caught by the authorities. Is there any proof that that is what is actually happening ? somehow I don't think the official story is what's really going on

I remember wondering at this and its quite an amazing reason! Low-background Steel its called, steel and iron made before all the hundreds of nuclear testing, so sunken ships are worth salvaging as making steel without (low) radiation is very expensive.

Why do we build medical scanners from sunken battleships?

a reply to: trollz

Interesting...

a reply to: RadioRobert

Well it's indeed a very plausible explanation. On the other hand it's possible to occamify everything. Taking a lot of pointers here. Leaving the alien angle for what it is. Pre-atomic testing steel ? is that a science thingy , or just a wikipedia wipped up thing... I mean , steel mines are more infected with radioactivity than a vessel on 80 meter depth ?

btw I have 10kg of pre-atomic steel anyone ... ??? hmmm don't think so

originally posted by: frenchfries
a reply to: RadioRobert

Well it's indeed a very plausible explanation. On the other hand it's possible to occamify everything. Taking a lot of pointers here. Leaving the alien angle for what it is. Pre-atomic testing steel ? is that a science thingy , or just a wikipedia wipped up thing... I mean , steel mines are more infected with radioactivity than a vessel on 80 meter depth ?

btw I have 10kg of pre-atomic steel anyone ... ??? hmmm don't think so

So low background steel is actually a thing.... like really.

I can’t say I have need for 10KG of it though

So there’s an aspect of this I can’t reason away without some pretty material extrapolation... why entirely remove the structure?

It’s not as though you couldn’t build another one. Straight up 5 fingering the thing is just a nuisance. It’s not made out of unobtanium and said removed item isn’t that old....

So what gives?

My mind goes to the removal is to send a message. Perhaps the message being “we can get inside your secure area and eliminate a data collecting, monitored device without you figuring anything out about it”.

News stories carry it as a “mystery”, don’t give the event any play and people who do see it go “wow that’s weird”. No questions asked - it was just a silly monitoring device no one heard of anyway, right?

If I’m in the defense business I’d want to know who did it, how they did it, why they did it, etc. I bet they’re scrambling on those questions globally in the defense business. Not that anyone cared about this device anyway - it’s what it represents that matters.

Kinda makes me wonder about what’s activity we’re engaged in under our oceans in general that’s classified. Curious not so much that it’s classified but rather WHY it’s classified... But that’s for another thread.