adapting to the reality of post modern government spying on the citizen

With these allegations of a social scoring system for the right to bear our arms, it should be noted there are various methods to counter these with ease, and it simply takes personal choice and a bit of scaling back the tech age.

It is imperative we recondition our minds to not accept having microphones and camera lenses all around us 24/7, so your home must become a sacred impregnable fortress. My market still offer landline telephones, some of your may as well. At least with those wires, you know wh n they are being tapped. Digital is the doom, it may have always been.

In th home, having a metal box lined with copper to place guests mobile devices with microphones and lenses to prevent the auto-backup of your movements and dialogue on the AI super servers will likely get some strange looks, but this is our reality now. We all been discussing it for year on here. Now unfortunately, it has arrived and we have to adapt to it.

All of this power they have, they have it because we give into them. Our vane desire for convi ience and "free please" is how we surrender it. I have been adapt to it, and I get called crazy by family and peers. But it is not the government judging us, it is a machine. The government no longer rules, a machine is manipulating it all

It needs our input though to have power over us. If there is no digital footprint, no records to be analyzed and designated, it becomes impotent. The good news is, it is still everyones choice, today, to feed it the power. And just yesterday we were talking about how this kind of paradigm could not happen here

When I hold my mobile digital device, I hold it in such a way that for the most part th lenses are obscured by my hand. Been doing it for at least two years. I open obsolete tech, break it down to it's tiny individual component and show the kids exactly what former material is acting as a portal through tim e, how it listens always.

Swap your smart remote on the TV with a cheap universal, and ditch the mic/wiretap. Be certain your PlayStation and Xbox gaming remotes and headsets are secured in similar containment devices when not in use if you choose to continue to use them. Can you believe the power we are surrendering?? We ar actually paying them with regular subscription fees for the privelage of spying on us. You. Like also to extreme and cut off th Internet temporarily out of sheer Insanity, that is fun too. Antenna tv to the rescue in that situation. Broadcast is still not sending back information if I recall.

Wierd, I had a sudden 50% power drain while typing this up in less than ten minutes. Had to post prematurely, I'll try again tomorrow with more ideas and reccomendations.

The era of being comfortable is over, now your survival depends on blinding and deafening the listening devices

I only have 2 words in response to your thread.

F*** YEAH

Glad to see someone using the term "post modern". These are post modern times and have been since the late 1950s. I cringe when someone says modern when they mean current or right now. Modern, that so last century, get with the post modern times baby.

As for your topic, why not create a digital fog of FUD? Use FUD (F'ed Up Data) to fill the machine with false and meaningless data. Maybe we can exert some FUD force on them.

Perhaps someone could create a way to jam all devices in range with FUD. Instead of blacking out the devices, fill them with FUD, any kind you like, and make them waste their bandwidth on meaningless nonsense. Maybe even find a way to influence the machine with false data somehow, like a computer virus almost.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

I gave you a star and flag for bringing up the topic, but I'm going to have to disagree with you.

I don't think our objective should be to evade or counter government spying. Our objective should be to end it.

Warrant-less government spying on US citizens is unconstitutional, plain and simple. The Constitution is the document that grants the government the legal authority to govern. If the government acts outside to the authority granted by the Constitution, their actions are illegal. The perpetrators of these illegal acts should be subject to ...

Eeehn, I'm getting windy. On a keyboard.

a reply to: VictorVonDoom

Well Victor, how do you propose we "fight city hall" so to speak? It's all well and good to try, but how?

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

It will probably take someone younger and smarter than me to come up with a good plan, but I would think a good first step is to not accept it.

Constantly speak out about it. Constantly say it is wrong. Never allow any rationalization that the government can violate the Constitution for any reason. The Constitution clearly outlines the the authority of the federal government, the state governments, and the rights of the people. Federal and State governments will always try to increase their powers at the expense of the People.

If you think about it, the people do have an array of powerful weapons at their disposal. Don't be afraid to use them, while we still have them.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Yeah, this is why Winston Smith ended up scrawling in a notebook in a corner of his room.

It's hard to get away from it.
A lot of us who grew up while this stuff was just coming into play see it for what it is- but how do we avoid it?

You can't buy a TV that isn't loaded with spying software, microphones, etc anymore, so you'd have to go without a TV. Try and convince the wife and kids to do that!

Many of us are slaves to our cellphones.
I've wanted to get rid of mine for about six years now- but here it is, inches away from me as I type this. It charges within an arms reach of where I sleep.
Why? Because the only way to make a reasonable living these days is to have a job that essentially has you on the spot 24/7/365. The phone must be answered if it rings.
Modern devices have batteries you can't remove- even laptops. That windows laptop work provided that sits in your home could be listening.
The only way out I can see is to start out by being independently wealthy.

a reply to: lordcomac

Naw bud, most television sold do not have any internet connectivity. You just choose to buy those because of what you want. Your wants are holding you down. A landline phone with a voicemail message that you setup is all an employer needs. They only need a legitimate contact number.

If your working independent, you just have to figure it out. There is nothing wrong with taking your cellular on the go, but inside the home, just keep it locked up in the mini Faraday cage. Also, I successfully removed the camera lenses and microphone from an old laptop without killing it. This could easily become a lucrative niche to anybody good with sodering.

You can continue to make all the excuses in the world, but In The end, you are making the choice to surrender your power to the machine.

This is the point of no return. From here on out, the absolute majority of the population will become joined with a big e mind. The young are now born as mental and emotional slaves to the machi one. There is no loyalty of the Constitution in the new generation. Their survival , from their perception, requires being permanently connected.

Old school Americans will eventually be wiped out somewhere in the mountains both east and west just like ISIS was in Syria. Here is a video reminder of the exact future that awaits constitutional Americans in probably only another couple generations, because the hive mind perceives us as the terrorists. That's how the machine has groomed them to think and believe.


Also, utilize IR emitters to blind IR sensors and defeat facial recognition. Several independent folks are deciding hoodies, hats and clothing that does just that. But with a little reading, effort, and not too much money you can also make your own.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Hi worldstarcountry, I think that in the moment we become users/slaves to the elite's offered technology, that's it for us, we're doomed. I don't think that trying to circumvent it, like removing cameras, microphones, sensors, it's going to work in the long run. There's always something new and more dangerous, they'd come up with in no time.

In their words, when they introduce something new in the market, there's the visible (benign) reason and the real one, one to be very wary of. Keep your eyes open, stay away from the shiny gadgets. When they introduce some new toy it's already poisoned or about to be, dependent on its embrace by the masses. Now I'm questioning the invention of the television, radio and other gadgets, if they were a result of the natural human development or a calculated move by the elites (??!!)

a reply to: miri2019

Depriving the AI super machine of any and all data about you is key to o survival while dissenting. The weaponization of personal data/intelligence is key to keep you from dissenting. It will be used against you and your rights whenever you try to take any real action to change policies and deprive you of your rights.

If you all think this is just about "devices", you're sorely missing the rest of the picture. Any semblance of real privacy died a long time ago particularly as the world moved from analog to digital.

Now you've got massive license plate scanner databases and if you've got a RealID, your picture is in a facial recognition database. Use a loyalty card for a discount when shopping... database. Checking account or credit cards? Yup. Use the internet even if you stay off social media? It's all logged somewhere. Pay taxes, own property, drive a car, fly on a plane, get married or divorced? Everything we do these days is discoverable and with the right levels of access, of which there seems to be no oversight, that people even have the illusion of privacy is comical.

a reply to: Kalamitous
It's hardly a laughing matter. We are talking the confines of your home and how many listening devices you guys volunteer to host for the AI that now controls world governments. Also, facial recognition has many methods to defeat, like wearing ir emitters embedded in the clothing. Most cameras linked to facial recognition software also have ir sensors. If your face is bathed in invisible light, there is no fac for the software to recognize.

You feel it is humorous because you have not done research to defeat the technology. But most of it can be defeated with simple means too. The problem for most, likely yourself as well, is there is no longer a will to try. Either you have grown comfortable with the convinience corporate/gov spy tech has brought to your life, or have zero experience intention of raising your family into the governing class of society.

This was one of the purposes, the eliminate and disqualify very good potential leaders (a threat to existing paradigm) by way of a stray private conversation archived in your personality profile that can be used against you.

In any case, you prefer submission to effort, and that's the ok too. The governors will always need servants as well.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: Kalamitous
It's hardly a laughing matter. We are talking the confines of your home and how many listening devices you guys volunteer to host for the AI that now controls world governments.

So I’m to assume you don’t have a phone or a computer in your home and that you’ve telepathically made your words appear here somehow impervious to interception, recording and analysis if someone really wanted to know? Maybe you use a VPN and Tor thinking magically you’re safe or smarter than the average guy but if you were, you’d know it’s the aliens in control of world governments, not AI. Sheesh!

Also, facial recognition has many methods to defeat, like wearing ir emitters embedded in the clothing. Most cameras linked to facial recognition software also have ir sensors. If your face is bathed in invisible light, there is no fac for the software to recognize.

Seriously? A screen grab from the video surveillance from your last trip to Wal-Mart or 7-Eleven can be run through facial recognition databases should the TPTB want to know who you are and what you’re doing and if you use plastic, everything you’ve purchased. I guess you probably don’t drive a car either or use an ATM or make payments online, fly on an airplane or exist in the public sphere at all? Lucky you. Are you sure there's not a van sitting outside monitoring your conversations from the vibrations of your windows?

You feel it is humorous because you have not done research to defeat the technology. But most of it can be defeated with simple means too. The problem for most, likely yourself as well, is there is no longer a will to try. Either you have grown comfortable with the convinience corporate/gov spy tech has brought to your life, or have zero experience intention of raising your family into the governing class of society.

What I find humorous is that you or anyone thinks their puny efforts to avoid “spying” really makes any sort of a difference. If your valiant attempts to maintain the illusion of privacy comfort you, then so be it. I won’t burst your bubble.

In any case, you prefer submission to effort, and that's the ok too. The governors will always need servants as well.

Oh yes, I’m absolutely one of the clueless masses and part of the problem because I’ve realized things are long past the point of no return and there’s nothing that can be done about it so I’ll save my paranoia and worries for something I might actually be able to do something about or have some control over. All hail our digital overlords, embrace the dystopia of modern society and pass the tinfoil.

Not to be dismissive of your concerns but you’re more than a day late and a dollar short.

a reply to: worldstarcountry

Agreed, but what if there are other tools of surveillance, unknown even to the most informed one, that are not that simple/possible to be deprived of the data?! Just what if?!

There's a word that the poison that they're dumping from the sky (chemtrails) contain nano-spies that collect information and send it somewhere, among other particles. And this dust penetrates everything, homes, peoples' bodies, etc. You can imagine now in your own home there's no more privacy, including *bathrooms* and *bedrooms*.

a reply to: Kalamitous

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Oh yes, I’m absolutely one of the clueless masses and part of the problem because I’ve realized things are long past the point of no return and there’s nothing that can be done about it so I’ll save my paranoia and worries for something I might actually be able to do something about or have some control over. All hail our digital overlords, embrace the dystopia of modern society and pass the tinfoil.

Not to be dismissive of your concerns but you’re more than a day late and a dollar short.

Well said Kalamitous, truth spoken!

And yes, humanity is well past the point of no return.

originally posted by: miri2019
a reply to: worldstarcountry

Agreed, but what if there are other tools of surveillance, unknown even to the most informed one, that are not that simple/possible to be deprived of the data?! Just what if?!

There's a word that the poison that they're dumping from the sky (chemtrails) contain nano-spies that collect information and send it somewhere, among other particles. And this dust penetrates everything, homes, peoples' bodies, etc. You can imagine now in your own home there's no more privacy, including *bathrooms* and *bedrooms*.

It's called smart dust. I'm not so sure that 'they''re putting it everywhere, but it is a thing.

a reply to: Kalamitous
Have you even read the OP at all??? I addressed everything you just wrote.

Or did you read a headline, and then become so enraged that you had to make an account and influence the minds of others by way of trying to paint me as the crazy whacky conspiracy guy who failed before he began? Oh do not bother, your follow up answer is "you proved that by yourself with the OP" or some other personal attack nonsense in your pages of notes.

If you choose not to add to the discussion by discussing counter-surveillance and intelligence methods, perhaps you should Stick to derailing other threads. I will just pretend you don't exist otherwise. And I'll give you one free self-troll. Its not aliens or AI, its both AND terminators too. With a bit of zombies as weapons thrown in there.
a reply to: miri2019

And yes, humanity is well past the point of no return.

Collectively, sure. I literally said as much in the OP. That does not mean there are individuals of humanity who will always fight to exist in the shadows with full knowledge of the motives of those in power. The ones in power are not permanent, they are also frequently usurped by their replacements. Those replacements got there because they knew how to move in close enough by studying surveillance methods of their own and countering existing intelligence/surveillance methods.
I am not issuing a call for all the happy sheep to rise up before the slaughter. I acknowledged the slaughter is inevitable, and showed you exactly what it will look like in but a mere couple of generations.

This is a discussion on countering existing, established intelligence and surveillance gathering methods. Something I have been harping on about for years now, is the active/adaptive camouflage fabrics that were first revealed in early 2000's, giving one the appearance of a translucent ghost.

I want to know which families paid out the dollars to continue this research privately, since its quite obvious as an asset of intelligence/counter-intel gathering these wearable fabrics can be priceless with further research and refinement.

What decent wealthy patriotic citizen will invest in these technologies for the everyday citizen to counter other technology of surveillance??

Don't mistake me for some guy trying to save as many of yall as I can. I am seeking only for those interested in similar defense methods to jointly share methods and execution of such methods. The deniers, skeptics and trolls can mock me all they want. I try not to get emotional over words on a screen.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: miri2019
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This is a discussion on countering existing, established intelligence and surveillance gathering methods. Something I have been harping on about for years now, is the active/adaptive camouflage fabrics that were first revealed in early 2000's, giving one the appearance of a translucent ghost.

Hi worldstarcountry,

As mentioned from the poster above, Kalamitous, it's simply impossible to avoid state's surveillance at this point, however hard we try. Just one thing to mention, among other ones - satellites up in the sky can read with high accuracy whatever you're reading at any time, and more and more things which I don't know. It's already gone way too far.

We (the common people) are not in the same level as them, we are the last in their chain of importance. Them and their replacements are one and the same, internal conflicts between them, don't change a thing as far as common people are concerned.

You could think that I'm veering off the main subject, but let me tell you this - you wanna do something about yourself and this whole thing? Save your energy and efforts to connect with God and ask Him for guidance and protection. As far as surveillance let them surveil you and me, you just keep going on with your life, stay out of trouble and sin, and you'll be golden. I understand that this whole surveillance thing is not nice but now it's too late to even complain, take care of your priorities.

Don't mistake me for some guy trying to save as many of yall as I can. I am seeking only for those interested in similar defense methods to jointly share methods and execution of such methods. The deniers, skeptics and trolls can mock me all they want. I try not to get emotional over words on a screen.

I personally, worldstarcountry, understand you perfectly well, I'm no skeptic when it comes to this and I don't troll, but I save my energy in other directions that I mentioned above, that have proven always fruitful to me - I pray only to God for my protection!

Maybe someone else can come up with a concrete answer you're looking for, but as for me and in my opinion, it's an exercise in futility.

Best!