Newly Released FBI Docs Shed Light on Apparent Mossad Foreknowledge of 9/11 Attacks

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: openedeyesandears

How about instead of you “asking questions”, you state a clear theory. And then provide proof of fraudulent DNA testings, death certificates, and accounts that has nothing to do with video of body bags if you think there were no flight 77 victims.

what's your theory on why the "massive fireball" caused from flight 77 crashing into the pentagon left at least one stool, open book and computer unit completely intact and undamaged?







must have been some fire! I think I can maybe see a spec of ash on that open page? what's your take on that?

a reply to: facedye

You

what's your theory on why the "massive fireball" caused from flight 77 crashing into the pentagon left at least one stool, open book and computer unit completely intact and undamaged?

Were those items not in the path of flight path damage? But in the areas where the structure collapsed several minutes after the jet impact?

Do tell how your random pictures with no context takes away from flight 77 hit the pentagon, and supports/adds to the fantasies columns at the pentagon were taken out by an exploding missile or bomb?

You didn’t think that one through did ya.......

a reply to: facedye

More pictures with no context? False narrative because you don’t want to do research and don’t want to understand the crash at the pentagon.

a reply to: facedye

Now you explain how the crew and passengers of flight 77 ended up dead at the pentagon. Where their remains were recovered and handed over to surviving family members.

Then what remains were released to the families of those who died on flight 77.

Charles Frank "Chic" Burlingame III (September 12, 1949 – September 11, 2001) was the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77,

Burlingame was buried in the Arlington National Cemetery.


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Always remember: Suzanne Calley of San Martin died when terrorists flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon

gilroydispatch.com...

Two years after that fateful day when Calley, 42, perished Sept. 11 alongside 183 other victims at the Pentagon site, Jensen cremated his wife’s body. Her remains were first pulled by rescue crews from the twisted wreckage of Flight 77, and later scattered by Jensen into the Pacific Ocean near Monterey. This is where the couple frequently taught classes together as master scuba instructors.

D.C. Teachers, Students Die In Pentagon Crash

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Besides Ms. Taylor, the two other Washington teachers who died in the crash were Sarah Clark, a 6th grade teacher at Backus Middle School, and James Debeuneure, who taught 5th grade at Ketcham Elementary School.

The three students from Washington lost in the crash were Bernard Brown, who attended Leckie Elementary; Rodney Dickens, who attended Ketcham Elementary; and Asia Cottom, from Backus Middle School. All three were 11.

Sacred Ground
On 9/11: The ring that survived the inferno

BY ANELIA K. DIMITROVA Sep 13, 2011

www.communitynewspapergroup.com...

When crews eventually cleared the debris, among other personal effects on the site of the tragedy, investigators found a one-carat ring, size 6.8, its band bent, its prongs crooked but still holding firmly in place the solitaire diamond.

Looking at the picture of the ring, in a binder of images of personal effects FBI agents discovered at the crime scene, Peter Batacan, Karen’s husband, could hardly believe his eyes. He took a closer look at the serial number.

It was the same ring he had surprised Karen with on June 27, 1995, when he dropped on one knee under the elm tree in one of their favorite parks in Bethesda, Md., and asked her to marry him.

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Receiving Karen’s ashes and having them placed in her final resting place in the niche in the church, where on the 10th anniversary congregation members will lay flowers, gave Peter some level of comfort as did a memorial service he and Karen’s family attended later in Waverly.

Unfortunately I see a hateful rant coming....

a reply to: neutronflux

You made the statement but never showed proof of MANY dead bodies.

And according to you, all ATS members come up with false narrative when we can all see what you're doing here. ATS members like you should be banned on here for pushing agendas.

This here shouldn't be called 9/11 Conspiracies forum but more appropriately " NEUTRONFLUX'S AGENTDA CONpiracies"

originally posted by: openedeyesandears
a reply to: neutronflux

You made the statement but never showed proof of MANY dead bodies.

And according to you, all ATS members come up with false narrative when we can all see what you're doing here. ATS members like you should be banned on here for pushing agendas.

This here shouldn't be called 9/11 Conspiracies forum but more appropriately " NEUTRONFLUX'S AGENTDA CONpiracies"

Blatantly false argument by you. So sad to see you practice intellectually dishonesty.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: openedeyesandears

It’s guarantied you’ll move the goal post anyway, but here we go.

Link to page showing links to trial photo evidence of United States v. Zacarias Moussaoui
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...

This links right to a photo of a body. Viewer discretion advised.
www.vaed.uscourts.gov...


And

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: openedeyesandears

Are you some kind of ghoul who gets a sick thrill out of viewing dead bodies ??

Here knock yourself out ……….

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law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/moussaoui/45P.jpg

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Do to the violence of the collapse many bodies were pulverized or cremated in the fires after

Many families could not receive any remains for burial - almost 20 years later still waiting for some trace of their
family member

Day after 9/11 our ambulance responded for standby at WTC - was told saw a severed foot of woman, still in shoe in the rubble at the scene

Can you discredit the below accounts of remains and the loss of family

Charles Frank "Chic" Burlingame III (September 12, 1949 – September 11, 2001) was the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77,
Burlingame was buried in the Arlington National Cemetery.
en.m.wikipedia.org...

Always remember: Suzanne Calley of San Martin died when terrorists flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon
gilroydispatch.com...
Two years after that fateful day when Calley, 42, perished Sept. 11 alongside 183 other victims at the Pentagon site, Jensen cremated his wife’s body. Her remains were first pulled by rescue crews from the twisted wreckage of Flight 77, and later scattered by Jensen into the Pacific Ocean near Monterey.

D.C. Teachers, Students Die In Pentagon Crash
mobile.edweek.org... 55-CC2980C3ACA9
Besides Ms. Taylor, the two other Washington teachers who died in the crash were Sarah Clark, a 6th grade teacher at Backus Middle School, and James Debeuneure, who taught 5th grade at Ketcham Elementary School.
The three students from Washington lost in the crash were Bernard Brown, who attended Leckie Elementary; Rodney Dickens, who attended Ketcham Elementary; and Asia Cottom, from Backus Middle School. All three were 11.

Sacred Ground
On 9/11: The ring that survived the inferno

BY ANELIA K. DIMITROVA Sep 13, 2011

www.communitynewspapergroup.com...

When crews eventually cleared the debris, among other personal effects on the site of the tragedy, investigators found a one-carat ring, size 6.8, its band bent, its prongs crooked but still holding firmly in place the solitaire diamond.

Looking at the picture of the ring, in a binder of images of personal effects FBI agents discovered at the crime scene, Peter Batacan, Karen’s husband, could hardly believe his eyes. He took a closer look at the serial number.

It was the same ring he had surprised Karen with on June 27, 1995, when he dropped on one knee under the elm tree in one of their favorite parks in Bethesda, Md., and asked her to marry him.

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Receiving Karen’s ashes and having them placed in her final resting place in the niche in the church, where on the 10th anniversary congregation members will lay flowers, gave Peter some level of comfort as did a memorial service he and Karen’s family attended later in Waverly.

a reply to: openedeyesandears

Again, your arguments are based on assumptions

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: openedeyesandears

You

body bags being hauled out of crime scene so give me a break.

You original statement.

Where do you see firemen pulling bodies out (in body bags)?

Your original statement is based on ignorance.

The group was composed predominately of an admixture of senior staff and resident level physicians.

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Each person was assigned to an on-site mortuary outfit tasked primarily with removal of corpses after pronouncement. Pronouncements occurred insidethe Pentagon structure before transport ofthe human remainsto the morgue for further processing. Entry into the workspaces inside the Pentagon structure required
the donning of protective gear consisting of a gas mask, hooded jump suit, rubber boots, and gloves.

From following the Terrorist Attack on the Pentagon: Experiences of 10 Uniformed Health Care Workers

So. Firefighters were not even the ones removing remains. So there wouldn’t be any pictures of firefighters with body bags.

Next, condition of the victims.

All were severely burnt. Smaller pieces in- cluded grossly unrecognizable fragments, bones, intact pectoral and pelvic girdles, and entire torsos without heads or intact lower extremities. In most cases described by group members, corpses lacked heads, and skulls were rarely found. One intact set of remains showed a disturbing image of a woman trying to protectherselfas though"frozen in time," hands in frontofher face, with several pieces of clothing and patches of hair still intact. Several group members made specific reference to this corpse as being especially bothersome, while un-intact body parts were far less so.

From: Handling Human Remains following the Terrorist Attack on the Pentagon: Experiences of 10 Uniformed Health Care Workers

Horrible. Not many what you call body bags were needed. Partial remains and body parts would be placed in smaller evidence bags, not “body bags”.

You

A close up or far away shot of MULTIPLE body bags would have been noticed and on video.

Why would there be such a video? When would that have ever occurred? Did you miss from my cited source, “Each person was assigned to an on-site mortuary outfit tasked primarily with removal of corpses after pronouncement. Pronouncements occurred insidethe Pentagon structure before transport of the human remainsto the morgue for further processing.”

A vast majority of bodies were not pulled out all at one time on 9/11. The removing of remains that were mostly partial remains occurred over time after 9/11. So I am not sure how there would be video of “MULTIPLE body bags” especially when persons were tasked to “transport of the human remainsto the morgue for further processing.” After “
Pronouncements occurred insidethe Pentagon structure”.

a reply to: neutronflux

thanks. i needed a good laugh today.

Were those items not in the path of flight path damage? But in the areas where the structure collapsed several minutes after the jet impact?

Do tell how your random pictures with no context takes away from flight 77 hit the pentagon, and supports/adds to the fantasies columns at the pentagon were taken out by an exploding missile or bomb?

You didn’t think that one through did ya.......

they were directly in the path of the flight damage if you assume that a massive fireball exploded upon collision - which you do.

they're not random pictures either. you know where and when those are from. this is unfortunate, i expected you to at least have a better rebuttal. **shrug**

a reply to: openedeyesandears

And according to you, all ATS members come up with false narrative when we can all see what you're doing here. ATS members like you should be banned on here for pushing agendas.

makes you wonder, doesn't it sent you a PM.

a reply to: facedye

You

they were directly in the path of the flight damage if you assume that a massive fireball exploded upon collision - which you do.

Is a blatant falsehood.

These pictures with no description with what location they were taken, and no cited source how close they where from the flight path damage?







With the top two not being part of the flight path damage. But at the boundary of the outer ring collapse. The real question is why are they their after the building collapse.

The top two are above the first floor of the pentagon right.

Structure of Pentagon helped contain 9/11 damage, engineers say
AMELIA GRUBER | JANUARY 23, 2003

www.govexec.com...

It destroyed about 50 structural columns on the first floor and burst into a fire that weakened the building and caused a small area above the point of impact to collapse about 20 minutes after the crash.

a reply to: facedye

This is the picture of the flight path damage.



Notice most of the damage was to the first floor, and not much damage to the areas that were not exposed until the outer ring collapse about twenty minutes later.

a reply to: neutronflux

LOL, what is the blatant falsehood? can you clarify what exactly the falsehood is?

i'm sorry for laughing, but this is hilarious to me. so two 767's hit the twin towers, and based on the official story, created a massive fireball that traveled through 20+ floors causing complete structural failure.. but ONE 767 crashing into the pentagon creating a massive fireball won't burn the pentagon to a similar degree?

...and i'm the one expressing blatant falsehoods?

surely you can try harder than that.

a reply to: facedye

For the official story to be true, both common sense and the laws of physics must be suspended for that day.

a reply to: facedye

So you admit you falsely used collapse photos as flight path photos. And you were conducting a intellectually dishonest argument.

originally posted by: Salander
a reply to: facedye

For the official story to be true, both common sense and the laws of physics must be suspended for that day.

Funny you rant, but never give a more credible argument to what caused the damage at the pentagon.

How about we talk about your favorite subject. The families that lost loved ones when flight 77 crashed into the pentagon, and how the victims remains were recovered, identified, and given to families for internment.

a reply to: neutronflux

You cannot prove a single thing you post here sir. Many pretty pictures, many appeals to emotion, but no proof of anything at all except your devious style.

Your claim that the victims remains were recovered is false.

a reply to: Salander

Then you need to prove these accounts are false.

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Handling Human Remains following the Terrorist Attack on the Pentagon: Experiences of 10 Uniformed Health Care Workers

Guarantor: MAJ Richard T. Keller, AN USA
Contributors: MAJ Richard Keller


The Group and Its Tasks
The group was composed predominately of an admixture of senior staff and resident level physicians. Several medical dis- ciplines were represented, including oncology, psychiatry, sur- gery, and internalmedicine. Only onephysician reported having past bodyhandling experience. Theremainder ofthe groupwas composed of one registered nurse and one military licensed practical nurse (91 C series), neither ofwhom had previous body handling experience. Each person was assigned to an on-site mortuary outfit tasked primarily with removal of corpses after pronouncement. Pronouncements occurred insidethe Pentagon structure before transport ofthe human remainsto the morgue for further processing. Entry into the workspaces inside the Pentagonstructurerequiredthedonningofprotectivegearcon- sisting of a gas mask, hooded jump suit, rubber boots, and gloves. Beyond this, there were no specific instructions left for team members concerning specific bodyhandling or pronounce- ment procedures. Team members were expected to examine the contents of bags that contained the human remains and assist in loading the bags onto transport vehicles. Members were re- quiredto pass througha decontamination stationbefore remov- ing the biological protective gear.

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Summary
We have described the experiences of several uniformed health care workers, mostly physicians, who were involved in the handling of human remains at the Pentagon disaster site during the aftermath of the September 11, 2001, terrorist at- tack. Even though our purpose was to describe rather than to investigateoranalyze,somesalientpointswereillustrated.De- spite an almost universal lack of training or experience in han- dling human remains, the health care workers as a whole dis- played remarkable variability in emotional reactions and coping strategies before, during, and after exposure to the remains, reflecting our continued belief that idiosyncratic vulnerabilities to psychological stresses and stylesofcoping withand adjusting to such stress existirrespective ofprofession, Several individu- als noted the lack of information about what they would be facing during their tasking or other efforts to minimize surprise and shock as adding to their subjective level of stress prior to entering the Pentagon work site. Some group members experi- encedaddedemotionaleffectsafterenteringtheworksiteforthe first time. During the actual handling of human remains, ele- ments ofthe well-characterized sensoryoverload effect involving
grotesque visual, tactile, and olfactory stimuli were apparent. Psychologicalsequelaethatpersistedlongafterthelastexpo-sure to human remains seemed to be transient and without significant impact upon functioning. Even though our group displayed psychological vulnerabilities, several members were ableto use a strongidentification withtheir profession to recast the experience of body handling as similar to consistent with their everyday practices or similar to past experiences during their training. On a related theme, many were also able to divorce themselves from their emotional reactions to effectively assume the "surgeon" or "doctor" mode. Asa whole, group mem- bers seemed to demonstrate adaptive coping, as virtually all group members ultimately described feeling as thoughtheyhad contributed toward completion ofan importantmission. As it is well beyond the scope ofthis briefarticle, it is leftto the reader to speculate about the putative role of special preventive inter- vention programs and the use of co-worker support or other interventions for rescue workers-particularly the inexperi- enced-involved in the handling ofhuman remains.

a reply to: Salander

Can you discredit these accounts.

Charles Frank "Chic" Burlingame III (September 12, 1949 – September 11, 2001) was the pilot of American Airlines Flight 77,

Burlingame was buried in the Arlington National Cemetery.


en.m.wikipedia.org...

Always remember: Suzanne Calley of San Martin died when terrorists flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon

gilroydispatch.com...

Two years after that fateful day when Calley, 42, perished Sept. 11 alongside 183 other victims at the Pentagon site, Jensen cremated his wife’s body. Her remains were first pulled by rescue crews from the twisted wreckage of Flight 77, and later scattered by Jensen into the Pacific Ocean near Monterey. This is where the couple frequently taught classes together as master scuba instructors.

D.C. Teachers, Students Die In Pentagon Crash

mobile.edweek.org... 55-CC2980C3ACA9

Besides Ms. Taylor, the two other Washington teachers who died in the crash were Sarah Clark, a 6th grade teacher at Backus Middle School, and James Debeuneure, who taught 5th grade at Ketcham Elementary School.

The three students from Washington lost in the crash were Bernard Brown, who attended Leckie Elementary; Rodney Dickens, who attended Ketcham Elementary; and Asia Cottom, from Backus Middle School. All three were 11.

Sacred Ground
On 9/11: The ring that survived the inferno

BY ANELIA K. DIMITROVA Sep 13, 2011

www.communitynewspapergroup.com...

When crews eventually cleared the debris, among other personal effects on the site of the tragedy, investigators found a one-carat ring, size 6.8, its band bent, its prongs crooked but still holding firmly in place the solitaire diamond.

Looking at the picture of the ring, in a binder of images of personal effects FBI agents discovered at the crime scene, Peter Batacan, Karen’s husband, could hardly believe his eyes. He took a closer look at the serial number.

It was the same ring he had surprised Karen with on June 27, 1995, when he dropped on one knee under the elm tree in one of their favorite parks in Bethesda, Md., and asked her to marry him.

Snip

Receiving Karen’s ashes and having them placed in her final resting place in the niche in the church, where on the 10th anniversary congregation members will lay flowers, gave Peter some level of comfort as did a memorial service he and Karen’s family attended later in Waverly.

a reply to: LookingAtMars

I've seen, read or watched everything related to September 11th.

Some are good, others...not so much.

I was there.

I worked a few blocks away and saw most of it play out right in front of my eyes. It was an amazing, awful day.

Every time I see or hear of someone that's produced something about those events I am briefly hopeful that they were able to capture or reproduce some of the feeling that so many of us experienced. I'm usually disappointed - but not always.

I've not yet seen the FBI docs discussed here, but I'll ask around and see if I can view them. If I'm able to, I'll let you know what I think/feel. But please remember that it will only be my take on them - not the be all end all opinion of their veracity.

a reply to: Salander

You

You cannot prove a single thing you post here sir. Many pretty pictures, many appeals to emotion, but no proof of anything at all except your devious style.

Because I actually cite and reference items and pictures for scrutiny. While all you do is rant with random replies based on nothing but your biased opinion?

Funny you don’t want to actually discuss the flight 77 victims. And why they didn’t return to there families alive which is a fact.