Boris Johnson asks Queen to suspend Parliament

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent. If parliament brings down the government then that absolutely not a coup. It's as ridiculous and inflammatory as calling people whose view you disagree with traitors.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
On my phone just now so forgive me for not adding more of my own commentary on this but this is pretty significant news that is breaking this afternoon

Boris has pulled the trigger and started the process to prorogued parliament adding to the constitutional mess we find ourselves in. Will be interesting to see how this develops

BBC News

OK, but this is like recess for our Congress. Is it that big a deal?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
On my phone just now so forgive me for not adding more of my own commentary on this but this is pretty significant news that is breaking this afternoon

Boris has pulled the trigger and started the process to prorogued parliament adding to the constitutional mess we find ourselves in. Will be interesting to see how this develops

BBC News

OK, but this is like recess for our Congress. Is it that big a deal?

It will be the sixth time this year that Parliament has been out.
The issue is that Remainers will have less time to execute a plot to overthrow the govt. and reverse the result of the referendum...so obviously the media and Remainers are upset about it.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
On my phone just now so forgive me for not adding more of my own commentary on this but this is pretty significant news that is breaking this afternoon

Boris has pulled the trigger and started the process to prorogued parliament adding to the constitutional mess we find ourselves in. Will be interesting to see how this develops

BBC News

OK, but this is like recess for our Congress. Is it that big a deal?

It will be the sixth time this year that Parliament has been out.
The issue is that Remainers will have less time to execute a plot to overthrow the govt. and reverse the result of the referendum...so obviously the media and Remainers are upset about it.

But the Remainers would do the exact same thing..

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

How do you think it doesn't?

Forming a government requires a majority ( or at least no majority opposing it) in parliament.

originally posted by: toysforadults
Wow she can do that?

Damn that's OP. This is getting interesting. I been following some people active in Northern Irish politics trying to get caught up on what's happening with Brexit. Interesting.

Uranus Taurus revolutions are just starting to kick into gear.

If you mean the Queen,

She usually follows the advice of the government...with a presumption that her government is in fact in a state of usual business, aka a working majority...I'm also presuming, which it isn't, however she has agreed, and there is a serious question here because the Queen a short time ago was quoted as saying, " Our politicians can't govern" so regardless of the conventions, I think she has been advised badly, and seemingly against her own thoughts.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

Let's just say the timing leves somewhat to be desired and for Boris and cabinet thats Hard Brexit on the 31st.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

How do you think it doesn't?

Forming a government requires a majority ( or at least no majority opposing it) in parliament.

Parliament plays almost no role in selecting a Govt.

Select Committee's do offer advice to the Govt on key appointments, which the Govt can ignore or accept.

The party(s) with the most seats in parliament form a Govt with no selection at all required by the House of Commons. They have zero say on who the majority actually is. It is in fact the people who select the majority representation within Parliament and the party with most seats form a govt if they have a majority, if not they will align with another party and form a govt.

Then the Prime Minister selects all the key government roles (cabinet) and those cabinet members select their staff. More broadly, govt departments are made up of millions of public sector career workers who are not in any way selected by parliament either.

You've mistaken a party majority in parliament with a parlimentary selection of Govt.

Parliaments' job is to decide on laws and scrutinize the Govt, not select it.

You don't even have a basic understanding and yet you are incredibly vocal on the subject.
I suspected you knew very little, but you've confirmed it now.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

How do you think it doesn't?

Forming a government requires a majority ( or at least no majority opposing it) in parliament.

Parliament plays almost no role in selecting a Govt.

Select Committee's do offer advice to the Govt on key appointments, which the Govt can ignore or accept.

The party(s) with the most seats in parliament form a Govt with no selection at all required by the House of Commons. They have zero say on who the majority actually is. It is in fact the people who select the Govt and the party with most seats form a govt if they have a majority, if not they will align with another party and form a govt.

Then the Prime Minister selects all the key government roles (cabinet) and those cabinet members select their staff. More broadly, govt departments are made up of millions of public sector career workers who are not in any way selected by parliament either.

You've mistaken a party majority in parliament with a parlimentary selection of Govt.

Parliaments' job is to decide on laws and scrutinize the Govt, not select it.

The government is forned from the party or group that can command a majority in parliament (in most cases).

That government is therefore, by any meaningful definition, selected by parliament.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Maybe they're just trying to scare the weans for Halloween?

A right a good few adults that are fecking terrified ta boot.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

How do you think it doesn't?

Forming a government requires a majority ( or at least no majority opposing it) in parliament.

Parliament plays almost no role in selecting a Govt.

Select Committee's do offer advice to the Govt on key appointments, which the Govt can ignore or accept.

The party(s) with the most seats in parliament form a Govt with no selection at all required by the House of Commons. They have zero say on who the majority actually is. It is in fact the people who select the Govt and the party with most seats form a govt if they have a majority, if not they will align with another party and form a govt.

Then the Prime Minister selects all the key government roles (cabinet) and those cabinet members select their staff. More broadly, govt departments are made up of millions of public sector career workers who are not in any way selected by parliament either.

You've mistaken a party majority in parliament with a parlimentary selection of Govt.

Parliaments' job is to decide on laws and scrutinize the Govt, not select it.

The government is forned from the party or group that can command a majority in parliament (in most cases).

That government is therefore, by any meaningful definition, selected by parliament.

The majority in parliament is selected by the people.
The majority leader, the Prime Minister, selects the key Govt positions - no parliamentary input required.
Please educate yourself. I suspect you do not even understand the difference between Parliament and the govt.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

How do you think it doesn't?

Forming a government requires a majority ( or at least no majority opposing it) in parliament.

Parliament plays almost no role in selecting a Govt.

Select Committee's do offer advice to the Govt on key appointments, which the Govt can ignore or accept.

The party(s) with the most seats in parliament form a Govt with no selection at all required by the House of Commons. They have zero say on who the majority actually is. It is in fact the people who select the Govt and the party with most seats form a govt if they have a majority, if not they will align with another party and form a govt.

Then the Prime Minister selects all the key government roles (cabinet) and those cabinet members select their staff. More broadly, govt departments are made up of millions of public sector career workers who are not in any way selected by parliament either.

You've mistaken a party majority in parliament with a parlimentary selection of Govt.

Parliaments' job is to decide on laws and scrutinize the Govt, not select it.

The government is forned from the party or group that can command a majority in parliament (in most cases).

That government is therefore, by any meaningful definition, selected by parliament.

The majority in parliament is selected by the people.
The majority leader, the Prime Minister, selects the key Govt positions.
Please educate yourself. I suspect you do not even understand the difference between Parliament and the govt.

Governments are formed based on the ability to command support Parliament. In most that means in most cases the party with a majority in parliament.

This means , and this isn't difficult, that parliament decides who forms the government.

a reply to: ScepticScot
Your're both right, in a sense.
Can we compromise and call it "passive selection"?
It's like a Darwinian process. The elected House of Commons is the environment which determines ("selects") which "mutation" (party) has the best chance of surviving in government.

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

How do you think it doesn't?

Forming a government requires a majority ( or at least no majority opposing it) in parliament.

Parliament plays almost no role in selecting a Govt.

Select Committee's do offer advice to the Govt on key appointments, which the Govt can ignore or accept.

The party(s) with the most seats in parliament form a Govt with no selection at all required by the House of Commons. They have zero say on who the majority actually is. It is in fact the people who select the Govt and the party with most seats form a govt if they have a majority, if not they will align with another party and form a govt.

Then the Prime Minister selects all the key government roles (cabinet) and those cabinet members select their staff. More broadly, govt departments are made up of millions of public sector career workers who are not in any way selected by parliament either.

You've mistaken a party majority in parliament with a parlimentary selection of Govt.

Parliaments' job is to decide on laws and scrutinize the Govt, not select it.

The government is forned from the party or group that can command a majority in parliament (in most cases).

That government is therefore, by any meaningful definition, selected by parliament.

The majority in parliament is selected by the people.
The majority leader, the Prime Minister, selects the key Govt positions.
Please educate yourself. I suspect you do not even understand the difference between Parliament and the govt.

Governments are formed based on the ability to command support Parliament. In most that means in most cases the party with a majority in parliament.

This means , and this isn't difficult, that parliament decides who forms the government.

You're right about one thing. It is not difficult... but it seems it is for you.
Crack on. Done speaking with someone who refuses to educate themselves.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: ScepticScot
Your're both right, in a sense.
Can we compromise and call it "passive selection"?
It's like a Darwinian process. The elected House of Commons is the environment which determines ("selects") which "mutation" (party) has the best chance of surviving in government.

I like the term passive selection.

I agree there is no formal vote, however the formation of a UK government depends on support within parliament. The idea a UK government is formed other than through parliament is simply wrong.

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: gortex

originally posted by: Soloprotocol

It's more like an attempt to avert a coup by antidemocratic elements in Parliament.

It's parliament job to select the governent.

No, it isn't.

Yes it is.

Really? Please do tell us how Parliament selects the govt.

How do you think it doesn't?

Forming a government requires a majority ( or at least no majority opposing it) in parliament.

Parliament plays almost no role in selecting a Govt.

Select Committee's do offer advice to the Govt on key appointments, which the Govt can ignore or accept.

The party(s) with the most seats in parliament form a Govt with no selection at all required by the House of Commons. They have zero say on who the majority actually is. It is in fact the people who select the Govt and the party with most seats form a govt if they have a majority, if not they will align with another party and form a govt.

Then the Prime Minister selects all the key government roles (cabinet) and those cabinet members select their staff. More broadly, govt departments are made up of millions of public sector career workers who are not in any way selected by parliament either.

You've mistaken a party majority in parliament with a parlimentary selection of Govt.

Parliaments' job is to decide on laws and scrutinize the Govt, not select it.

The government is forned from the party or group that can command a majority in parliament (in most cases).

That government is therefore, by any meaningful definition, selected by parliament.

The majority in parliament is selected by the people.
The majority leader, the Prime Minister, selects the key Govt positions.
Please educate yourself. I suspect you do not even understand the difference between Parliament and the govt.

Governments are formed based on the ability to command support Parliament. In most that means in most cases the party with a majority in parliament.

This means , and this isn't difficult, that parliament decides who forms the government.

You're right about one thing. It is not difficult... but it seems it is for you.
Crack on. Done speaking with someone who refuses to educate themselves.

Insults are a poor substitute for being able to debate your point.

Back on topic.

It looks likely that BJ wants parliament to react, either through a vote against no deal brexit, or a no confidence vote, as he wants a general election.

The parliamentary arithmetic as it stands will lead to a slow death like May as won't be able to get through any kind of deal.

If he throws the dice now he has a chance of using brexit to get a workable majority.