Boris Johnson asks Queen to suspend Parliament

a reply to: ScepticScot

No, it isn't. The alternative is to give in to the EU's unacceptable demands.

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: doobydoll

I have never liked Boris personally but you have to give the man credit for sticking to his guns about leaving and not being afraid to take flak for it.

No , working for government you only get credit for going beyond your duties , he has only done his job and nothing more , its his job to carry out these duties . So dont give him credit for doing his job.

Do you credit anyone else for simply showing up to work ?

For my "pay related bonus" I need to show exemplary behaviour and carry out tasks which are above and beyond my contracted role .
I work for gov.uk , that is their policy on work related bonus.

So naw , nae #in credit for boris for simply doing his job.

Well, I think he deserves more credit than May. I don't see what is so wrong for giving credit to a politician for sticking to his principles.

a reply to: sapien82

Seems now only people who will get something for their trouble , is the people who orchestrated this whole show

What, you mean the majority of people who voted to leave?

I learned today that suspending parliament in this way means that any legislation currently going through the process will likely just be cancelled and not finalise.
so being the cynical person I am, my first thought was 'I wonder what legislation is currently going through parliament that Boris and the Conservatives don't want to get finalised?'
I've done no research so don't know the answer to this, but it'd be interesting to find out, no?

a reply to: CrastneyJPR

Here you go:

services.parliament.uk...

Andrew Neil is hosting a new Brexit show on the Beeb:

www.bbc.co.uk...

I like Andrew Neil. He has absolutely skewered a good few politicos in his time.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot

No, it isn't. The alternative is to give in to the EU's unacceptable demands.

The EU isn't going to give us a deal that gives us any advantage over continuing EU members or threatens the integrity of the EU. That isn't the EU punishing us as some keep suggesting, it simply the facts of our negotiating position.

With that in mind we care never going to get a 'good deal' from the EU as the impact of our no deal threat is less to them than the impact of giving us any more than they already have.

We can go, we can take the deal, or we can stay. It's not really a negotiations any more but a decision. Parliament is entirely right not to give Johnson or any PM a blank cheque on making that decision.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
Andrew Neil is hosting a new Brexit show on the Beeb:

www.bbc.co.uk...

I like Andrew Neil. He has absolutely skewered a good few politicos in his time.

Something we agree on. He is probably the best interviewer on UK tv at moment.

a reply to: ScepticScot


What about the majority of people that voted to leave? You seem to keep on ignoring that little factoid.

a reply to: ScepticScot

I'm glad we agree on something!

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

Seems now only people who will get something for their trouble , is the people who orchestrated this whole show

What, you mean the majority of people who voted to leave?

No they will get nothing but austerity and financial worry

where as the people who planned brexit , will probably have things set up for personal windfall

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot


What about the majority of people that voted to leave? You seem to keep on ignoring that little factoid.

No ignoring it at all.

My position is that, baring a second referendum we should leave.

Where I disagree with ardent brexiters is the idea that a second referendum is undemocratic.

a reply to: sapien82

You seem to think that the Tories want austerity and poverty. I thought they were better known for wanting prosperity? It make more money for them than austerity.

a reply to: ScepticScot

Where I disagree with ardent brexiters is the idea that a second referendum is undemocratic.

Seems a bit like "keep voting until you get the result you want" to me.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Where I disagree with ardent brexiters is the idea that a second referendum is undemocratic.

Seems a bit like "keep voting until you get the result you want" to me.

Sounds like you are worried there would be a different result to me.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

You seem to think that the Tories want austerity and poverty. I thought they were better known for wanting prosperity? It make more money for them than austerity.

Ok cool

when was the last time they tried that then in the UK ?

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: ScepticScot

Where I disagree with ardent brexiters is the idea that a second referendum is undemocratic.

Seems a bit like "keep voting until you get the result you want" to me.

Sounds like you are worried there would be a different result to me.

the government seem to keep voting until they get what they want , or in this case suspend any voting to get what they want

why isnt it good for us ?

its our democracy , they are meant to represent us right

If anything we can all agree, unanimously that the UK government are #e

so lets all just get them tae #

CMON

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

You seem to think that the Tories want austerity and poverty. I thought they were better known for wanting prosperity? It make more money for them than austerity.

Ok cool

when was the last time they tried that then in the UK ?

I am sure many Tories did become very prosperous out of austerity...

a reply to: oldcarpy

it doesnt make for pretty reading man

History of the conservative party

Put it this way , its been a tory lead UK since I was born , accept for Blair and Brown era , and its been a Tory and its been nothing but #

a reply to: sapien82


Whereas this lot started out meaning well, what with the NHS and stuff but then...oh dear, it all went a bit Pete Tong, didn't it?

en.wikipedia.org...(UK)

Don't get me wrong - I don't have any great love for the Tories, more anti lefty, really. The thought of Corbyn and McMao in power frankly terrifies the bejasus out of me.