Prince Andrew: I did not suspect Epstein's behaviour

a reply to: Freeborn

Have you had a look at how the British Parliament works? The Queen has the option to sign and make it legal or not. It is the power she withholds is how the system works. Most of the time she signs and that's that. Then another thing is that it has to be passed by the House of Lords, Parliament is way down on the list . All the real power swear loyalty to the Monarch. It's the same old crew that came over with William the Conquer. All she has to say is bring So and So in for a tune-up. Just because she hasn't done it, it does not mean that she cant. It's the same as everything else unless a problem really affects you, why rock the boat. She isn't a Socialist.

a reply to: anonentity

Have you had a look at how the British Parliament works?

I haven't just 'had a look', I live here and have witnessed and experienced the UK Constitution and electoral process's at work first hand....have you?

After a General Election the leader of the party with most MP's goes to see the Queen and is asked to form a new government.
There are protocols in place that the monarch must follow if for any reason there is doubt over who has the 'confidence' of The Commons.

If it was ever even remotely suggested that the current monarch - whoever he/she was at the time - was to actually lead a government then I assure you, it would be the end of the monarchy...no two ways about it.

The Queen has the option to sign and make it legal or not. It is the power she withholds is how the system works. Most of the time she signs and that's that.

If 'she' didn't it would provoke a constitutional crisis that she would lose.

Then another thing is that it has to be passed by the House of Lords,....

The Lords has little power other than to delay legislation and suggest modifications etc.

Parliament is way down on the list . ...

Parliament is The House of Commons and The House of Lords together....along with The Crown in Parliament.
The House of Commons is overwhelmingly the primary chamber.

All the real power swear loyalty to the Monarch.

Ceremonial.
A bit like some nations swear allegiance to their flag.

The glass ceiling that holds people of ability back, prevents people from meeting their full potential and attaining positions of genuine power and influence is as much in place today as its ever been.
I have absolutely no doubt there is a cabal of people who behind the scenes try to control and manipulate policy and events.
But they have to be a bit more subtle and discreet about how they do so nowadays.
And never underestimate the British people, we've removed tyrants, Monarchs, Governments before.

I am a passionate advocate of radical reform of UK electoral and Parliamentary process and procedures - our party political system is no longer fit for purpose - but unfortunately its not going to happen anytime soon.

When all is said and done its simply incorrect to suggest that the monarch has some sort of all encompassing power to control Parliament and dictate policy.
The monarch has ceremonial duties and vestiges of power that if used would cause a Constitutional crisis and possibly an end to the monarchy.

a reply to: Freeborn

I agree with a lot of what you said. But vested interests around the throne are entrenched, picked people radiate out and around the seat of power , Cameron was her cousin. The Commonwealth countries have a Governor-General who is essentially the Queen in absentia, who can dissolve their Parliaments and have done so. You are saying that at the seat of the monarchy the Queen could not do the same thing in her own country? The same country she holds vast swathes of land and estates, with a Police and Military sworn to that seat of power for their lifestyle and status? Thinking it is ceremonial at least gives the illusion of not being powerless. Too many people rely on the throne for it to be powerless. The British passport says, "That her Brittanic Majesty expects" At least in the old days it meant that as a subject of the Queen the powers of the state would help you, if under duress on foreign soil. Not the politicians "Her Britannic Majesty" It's the queen's chain, Crown Land. If it wasn't you would be paying to go to the seaside.

a reply to: carewemust

yup , royals were all about paedophilia , having sex with 12 year old girls to secure the bloodlines and unify the two kingdoms etc

a reply to: anonentity

Cameron is actually her fifth Cousin, twice removed.

www.familysearch.org...

Quite remote.

a reply to: anonentity

Magna Carta?

I'll take a note.

Oh dear.


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Jeeezus H Christ on a bike!


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a reply to: projectvxn


February 16, 2022

As anticipated and expected, MONEY has gotten Prince Andrew off the hook.

He remains an innocent man: www.foxnews.com...

The system is as predictable as its always been.

Do many people even care anymore?

a reply to: carewemust

He's hardly "innocent" but it was a civil suit, not a criminal one.

So much for wanting his day in Court!

Wonder if other Claimants will now pop up.

a reply to: carewemust

This whole fiasco is stacked against anyone who wants justice served.

a reply to: projectvxn

It was a civil suit always about money, not justice. She's got her money now.

Anyway, he's been stripped of his Royal titles, mostly, and his military titles too. He's a pariah and even the Firm want little to do with him.

So, maybe a bit of justice for the creep.

So much for fighting this in a court of law and clearing his name. Enough money to pay off an ex-hooker but not enough to get his ex out of prison.
He did just sell his Swiss chalet for a reported £17 million. I Hope the Hooker took him for most of it. Nonce.

a reply to: Oldcarpy2

I'll take what I can get.

a reply to: carewemust

This was always about money.

Andrew has it, Giuffre wanted some.
She's got what she wanted right from the outset....money.

I'm amazed that anyone would be surprised that this was settled out of court.

Andrew is a horrible man and has lost whatever rank, privilege and standing he had here in the UK.
He is amoral and a sex pest, an odious human being.

But I'm not entirely sure he's a nonce as many are alleging

a reply to: projectvxn

Ah. Just heard that the deal only silences her until after Her Maj's Platinum Jubilee celebrations are over.

Then he's fair game, apparently.

Expect more grief, Mr Windsor.