Prince Andrew: I did not suspect Epstein's behaviour

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: projectvxn

paedo boy andy should be forced to pay all the victims and their families with all his stolen wealth from the UK tax payers
then he should be stripped of his titles, walked through public and shamed in the stocks for a few days
on display for everyone to fling # at him
then sent to a lovely prison with hardened convicts.

If guilty.

a reply to: ArMaP

yeh im willing to bet he is guilty , but since his mother is one of the most powerful people on earth I doubt he will ever see a courtroom in order to determine his innocence or guilt

a reply to: sapien82

Guilty of what?

I think everyone recognises that he is a horrible person, surely not even the most ardent Royalists can deny that.
But a paedophile?
Is there actually any evidence to suggest this?

I think the BBC interview speaks for itself.

If he answered in court like he does in this interview he would get ripped to pieces.




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a reply to: Freeborn

eh i think circumstantial evidence at most

the fact he spent lengthy time with Epstein in his house even after he'd been charged with crimes , the US investigation into the so called victims reporting of the crimes committed and then his own interviews which make him look guilty as #.

AS others have said , the secret service would likely have known about epstein and his personal life and so could have warned prince andrew from the outset of their relationship.

a reply to: sapien82

The judicial system requires something a bit more substantial than 'circumstantial evidence'.

As repugnant a human being as he is he should still be judged in accordance with the same laws and rules as the rest of us.
He should be treated exactly the same as anyone else in the eyes of the law - and that means he shouldn't be any more above the law than you or I as well.

Other than revealing for all to see that he's an amoral scumbag, as far as I'm aware there's absolutely no evidence he's broke any UK laws.

If there's evidence he's broken US laws then he should be extradited if they decide to prosecute.

originally posted by: Freeborn
As repugnant a human being as he is he should still be judged in accordance with the same laws and rules as the rest of us.
He should be treated exactly the same as anyone else in the eyes of the law - and that means he shouldn't be any more above the law than you or I as well.

Above or below, people should always be judge by the judiciary system, not by popular opinion.

a reply to: ArMaP

bit of a rant but not directed at you , im just angry at the whole situation our species finds ourselves in and I am bordering on going #ing mental

what then is the recourse for those who can control the system or influence it in certain ways or even influence popular opinion because they own everything or are friends with people who own or run the show ?

what are we meant to do when the justice system that is meant to protect people from dangerous individuals and criminals of all kinds can be bought or controlled by those in power or those with vast wealth and power?

are we just supposed to go ok alright , justice hasnt prevailed this time it must be because they were innocent
history is awash with people who have subverted justice , paid off judges , changed the law to their will , you name it.

Are we just supposed to allow criminals to run amok in a justice system that can be clearly rigged or bent to prevent them ever seeing them pay for their crimes justice never gets served and the victims of said criminals carry on suffering without any real sense of justice.

we are talking about a prince here, he is meant to be a paragon of good , yet here he is rubbing shoulders with a known pedophile and then has been accused of the same crimes.

how many people do you know that would willingly hang out with a known pedophile ?
now how many rich and powerful people do you know that hang out with known pedophiles
thats career suicide , yet prince andrew did exactly that , there is absolutely no way that he didnt know what epstein was up to, then there is the secret service who probably know of loads of pedophiles or criminals from background checks and stuff , so Andrews involvement with him would have raised concerns for them to check him out right ?
So why then didnt the secret service report to the police about epstein probably because they were told not to because he was pals with the prince and would bring drama to the royals
so there we have powerful rich people who know of criminal action but wont do anything about it.

this is the world we live in , controlled by rich people and people who rape children and they all know about it but dont say # all because they dont wont to lose their power , status and wealth


its just not good enough , nothing is being done about it , the piss was ripped clean out of us a long time ago we are a dead horse being flogged
we bury our heads in the sand and pretend its not happening because we crave "normal"
everyone is happy in samsara and willfully ignore the crimes of the ruling elite so long as they get their pubs, holidays , material wealth they dont really care so long as its not directly affecting them.

we should be cutting #ing heads off man

a reply to: Freeborn

aye thats true , but when someone files a police report claiming they were raped by a prince as a child
then it should be taken seriously when there is other circumstantial evidence they were entangled with a known pedophile

and royals have a penchant for #ing kids goes back centuries

originally posted by: sapien82
what are we meant to do when the justice system that is meant to protect people from dangerous individuals and criminals of all kinds can be bought or controlled by those in power or those with vast wealth and power?

Change the system.

a reply to: sapien82

aye thats true , but when someone files a police report claiming they were raped by a prince as a child
then it should be taken seriously......

Of course it should be taken seriously.
All such allegations should be investigated fully regardless of social standing and background of both the accuser and the accused.

But one's personal dislike of a person and what they represent should not determine their guilt.

.... when there is other circumstantial evidence they were entangled with a known pedophile

To be honest I think its more than just 'circumstantial evidence' that he was 'entangled' with Epstein and it certainly warrants a thorough investigation.
But guilt by association is not a crime in itself, there has to be proof and evidence of crimes being committed.

....and royals have a penchant for #ing kids goes back centuries

True.....but they're hardly unique in that.
Sadly it's a crime that's all too common in every class and section of society.
Nonce wings in our prisons are full with the horrible, disgusting low lives.....and if it is proven that Andrew has committed similar crimes then he should join them.

If we suspect that he has been protected due to his position of privilege then it is up to us to change the system, hold him accountable for his crimes and punish those who have protected him and those like him.

a reply to: Freeborn

Aye I do agree with you man

but we as a species are at a loss when it comes to changing the "system" politics doesnt work
the game is rigged voting is meaningless

the only way we know is violent uprising

civil disobedience works for a while , until the "system" bites back
you see how it is going in Australia right now

shooting people with rubber bullets designed to quell terror attacks , and beating old women to the ground then mace them in the face.

no amount of ticks in boxes will fix this when the system is the problem , and we cant fix it with the rules of the system , it needs broken completely , globally its broken.

we need mass unification of the human species , sooner rather than later, and I dont know how that can happen when everyone is so divided over identity , over material greed , over everything

originally posted by: sapien82
but we as a species are at a loss when it comes to changing the "system" politics doesnt work
the game is rigged voting is meaningless

That's that thinking of "voting is meaningless" that makes it meaningless, as the "elites" are expecting around 50% of voters in any election, if all the people voted the results could be completely different.

Also, the system may be rigged, but, as long as it allows new parties, anyone can start a party and enter the system, to try to change it from the inside.

the only way we know is violent uprising

That only works in two situations: when the government doesn't really have the support of the people or when the great majority of the people want to do exactly that, otherwise the government has more power that it can use against violent population, and as the other side was the violent one they will get some support from other governments and people.

civil disobedience works for a while , until the "system" bites back

Civil disobedience needs to be well thought out, as it has to last long enough to make an impression on the system.

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Freeborn

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the only way we know is violent uprising

You're being played. Do you know who is playing you? Take note of the phrase mentioned at the top at 2:14 below. I recommend not missing the context though if you want to know who's playing you, pushing your buttons. Also note what's mentioned at 2:03 concerning the "spirit of the world"; click link to find out more, see especially the paragraph under "Manifesting a rebellious attitude toward authority" which falls under "What are some of the characteristics of the spirit of the world against which we need to be on guard?" But best not skip the definition for the spirit of the world first and probably also the section under "Why is being tainted by the spirit of the world a matter of serious concern?"

we need mass unification of the human species , sooner rather than later, and I dont know how that can happen when everyone is so divided over identity , over material greed , over everything

Some people already are united, all over the world, from different races and cultures, they do not vote, they do not put their trust "in a son of man" (Psalm 146:3-6), and rather than killing one another in senseless warfare (as people on both the left and the right spectrum of politics do), they are willing to die for one another, which takes a lot more strength and courage:

Here are some clues on how they do it:

SEARCHING FOR FRIENDS OF PEACE (playlist)

In that playlist, don't miss this one:

You can also start that playlist here:

Isaac Newton's science/scientia/knowledge about reality

Or in case you feel that evolutionary philosophy and mythology is "science" or "scientific" (like ArMaP perhaps), you can start with the first video:

Real science, knowledge of realities compared to unverified philosophies and stories

This is your wake-up call, resist in the right way and the real brainwashers* of this world. Those who are tickling your ears by means of propaganda (see the article in my signature and the preceding page called "The Manipulation of Information"). *: And regarding the main source used in this comment, do try not to fall for the Isaiah 5:20,21 trick.

“For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.” (2 Timothy 4:3,4)

“So we should no longer be children, tossed about as by waves and carried here and there by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in deceptive schemes.” (Ephesians 4:14)

“Look out that no one takes you captive by means of the philosophy and empty deception according to human tradition, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ;” “We have much to say about him, and it is difficult to explain, because you have become dull in your hearing. For although by now* [Lit., “in view of the time.”] you should be teachers, you again need someone to teach you from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God, and you have gone back to needing milk, not solid food. For everyone who continues to feed on milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a young child. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their powers of discernment* [Or “their perceptive powers.”] trained to distinguish both right and wrong.” (Col 2:8; Hebrews 5:11-14)

“However, the inspired word clearly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to misleading inspired statements and teachings of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, whose conscience is seared as with a branding iron.”(1 Timothy 4:1,2).

Knowledge (Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2)

...
Knowledge (gno'sis) is put in a very favorable light in the Christian Greek Scriptures. However, not all that men may call “knowledge” is to be sought, because philosophies and views exist that are “falsely called ‘knowledge.’” (1Ti 6:20) ...
... Thus Paul wrote about some who were learning (taking in knowledge) “yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge [...] of truth.” (2Ti 3:6, 7)

“From among these arise men who slyly work their way into households and captivate weak women loaded down with sins, led by various desires, always learning and yet never able to come to an accurate knowledge of truth.” (2Ti 3:6, 7)

“For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare* [“We do not wage warfare.” Lit., “we are not doing military service.” ...; Lat., non . . . mi·li·ta'mus.] according to what we are in the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God;” (2 Cor 10:3-5)

Join that fight against “the ruler of this world” and “the god of this system of things.” (John 12:31; 2 Cor. 4:4), if you're truly getting sick of it. Don't be a victim of his propaganda any longer. Rise up against your true enemy.

Because...

originally posted by: Freeborn
a reply to: sapien82
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If we suspect that he has been protected due to his position of privilege then it is up to us to change the system, hold him accountable for his crimes and punish those who have protected him and those like him.

Yeah, that'll happen.... (pardon my cynicism, it was meant to make a point)

The people of this world are not powerful enough on their own to fight “the ruler of this world” and “the god of this system of things.” (John 12:31; 2 Cor. 4:4) Most can't even resist his propaganda nor the spirit of the world I spoke about in my previous comment. If you don't know your true enemy, and possibly (likely?) believe he doesn't even exist but is merely used by people as an excuse to do evil (as per your programming and conditioning by the entertainment media and other sources within this system of things), how can you achieve anything significant enough to change his system? After all, he "is misleading the entire inhabited earth" (Rev. 12:9). And it has worked well for him for thousands of years of human history, with a multitude of different government types. Anytime something is changed, nothing truly significant is changing to his system. Do you know how often humans have said something similar to what you said there in past centuries? Having good intentions does not equal success if a lack of knowledge and wisdom is one of the problems that are always overlooked. You can't fix if you don't know what to fix, let alone how. And have no understanding of what you're up against.

a reply to: Moohide

The problem here is that if the younger indiscretions of all the old guys came back and started biting them the Legal system would be backed up forever with the guys paying reparations. Human nature is then an actionable indulgence when it suits certain parties decades after the event. If an indiscretion took place as I am sure many were it should have been put before the courts at that time. Now it is, unfortunately, general hearsay for the sexually titillated to read in papers.

a reply to: ArMaP

I think he is just a complete idiot. Or maybe not, he seems to be getting away with it so far.

a reply to: projectvxn

That's coz the dirty wrong'yin was probably tampering with the same weans.

originally posted by: anonentity
a reply to: Moohide

The problem here is that if the younger indiscretions of all the old guys came back and started biting them the Legal system would be backed up forever with the guys paying reparations. Human nature is then an actionable indulgence when it suits certain parties decades after the event. If an indiscretion took place as I am sure many were it should have been put before the courts at that time. Now it is, unfortunately, general hearsay for the sexually titillated to read in papers.

Perhaps. But the Duke of Pork was not that young at the time. He is a national embarrassment, even to the Royals, so that is saying quite something.