Amazon fires cloud half Brazil

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Seems like everyone has different figures for the area of the Amazon that has been consumed by fire.

Snopes is talking about the number of fires. The Times is talking about acreage.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Seems like everyone has different figures for the area of the Amazon that has been consumed by fire.

Snopes is talking about the number of fires. The Times is talking about acreage.

Right, but the Times is talking about Jan. through July, not August. Everyone else is just talking about the number of fires in August, not the size of the area that has been burned. Others talk about since 2013 until now, but always number of fires, not acres or square miles.

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: whiteblack

hundreds of thousands species if not millions in Amazon...but the impact will be on the whole planet and very soon. Only a miracle can save us. Hope that miracle happens

If the Amazon provides 20% of Earth's Oxygen, what can we do to use less oxygen, so mankind doesn't suffocate?

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Seems like everyone has different figures for the area of the Amazon that has been consumed by fire.

Snopes is talking about the number of fires. The Times is talking about acreage.

Right, but the Times are talking about Jan. through July, not August. Everyone is just talking about the number of fires in August, not the size of the area that has been burned. Others talk about since 2013 until now, and always number of fires, not acres or square miles.

Reminds me of how the stock market doomsday crowd screams "600 points down!" at the same level of panic that was used in 1987. Unlike 1987, 600 points is a relatively small "percentage" today. But...it's all AGENDA. Even wild-fires feed certain agendas.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: MichiganSwampBuck

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

Seems like everyone has different figures for the area of the Amazon that has been consumed by fire.

Snopes is talking about the number of fires. The Times is talking about acreage.

Right, but the Times are talking about Jan. through July, not August. Everyone is just talking about the number of fires in August, not the size of the area that has been burned. Others talk about since 2013 until now, and always number of fires, not acres or square miles.

Reminds me of how the stock market doomsday crowd screams "600 points down!" at the same level of panic that was used in 1987. Unlike 1987, 600 points is a relatively small "percentage" today. But...it's all AGENDA. Even wild-fires feed certain agendas.

Agreed. Most of he articles I scanned were implicating "Global Warming" and "Intentional Fires" for agricultural use and how the president of Brazil was sanctioning the deforestation for economic purposes.

a reply to: carewemust

I understand that these are not wildfires.
That these are purposeful fires, to create temporary farmland.

a reply to: MichiganSwampBuck

So if President Trump were to rob the planet of 20% of its oxygen, would that be like declaring war on mankind?

originally posted by: spacedoubt
a reply to: carewemust

I understand that these are not wildfires.
That these are purposeful fires, to create temporary farmland.

I'm surprised this Summer hasn't seen the usual California fires. Normally, that's a BIG STORY every August.

a reply to: PsychoEmperor

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a reply to: carewemust

I'm surprised this Summer hasn't seen the usual California fires. Normally, that's a BIG STORY every August.

The 2019 wildfire season is the current-running fire season in the state of California. So far, over 4,090 fires have been recorded according to CAL FIRE and the US Forest Service, totaling an estimated of 51,079 acres (20,671 ha) acres of burned land as of August 18.[1] Although the 2019 fire season had been relatively quiet in California through mid-August as compared to past years,[2] October through December is still expected have the greatest fire potential as the Santa Ana winds pick up.[3]

en.wikipedia.org...


Last year's Camp fire occurred in November.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: whiteblack

hundreds of thousands species if not millions in Amazon...but the impact will be on the whole planet and very soon. Only a miracle can save us. Hope that miracle happens

If the Amazon provides 20% of Earth's Oxygen, what can we do to use less oxygen, so mankind doesn't suffocate?

nothing..we are doomed...moreover, the further cuts in Amazon lead to further increase of CO2 in atmosphere that has not been stored in the trees, and also to further decrease of rains in Amazon that will bring further bigger fires...a magic circle with dead end

G7 to have Amazon fires as N1 agenda this weekend in Paris

Amazon fires: 'Our house is burning', Macron warns ahead of G7 www.bbc.com...

French President Emmanuel Macron has said the record number of fires in the Amazon rainforest is an "international crisis" that needs to be on the top of the agenda at the G7 summit.

"Our house is burning," he tweeted.


Brazil's President Jair Bolsonaro responded by accusing Mr Macron of using the issue for "political gain". He said calls to discuss the fires at the G7 summit, which Brazil is not participating in, evoke "a misplaced colonialist mindset". Satellite data published by the National Institute for Space Research (Inpe) has shown an increase of 85% this year in fires across Brazil, most of them in the Amazon region.

Leaders pressure Brazil to quell 'international crisis'

In a series of statements, Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro on Thursday responded to mounting international criticism of his handling of the rapidly spreading Amazonian wildfires.

Bolsonaro initially stated that there was a "very strong" indication that some non-governmental groups could be behind the massive Amazon fires since his government drew back their funding, and accused international actors of trying to "interfere with our sovereignty." Later, however, in a Facebook live broadcast, he said that farmers could be involved in lighting the fires

Brazil’s National Institute for Space Research (INPE) said that nearly 73,000 forest fires were recorded in the country between January and August, compared with 39,759 in the first eight months of 2018, and INPE figures show the fires are mainly concentrated in Amazon states.

Satellite images of the area have shown smoke rising and reaching across the Latin American continent to the Atlantic coast, according to the World Meteorological Organization.
www.dw.com...

With all due respect to the sovereignty of Brazil, if it endangers 20% of the oxygen of the planet, and further increase of the global warming, this is no longer a private national issue or political issue. it is international issue with all 200 countries and 7 bln people concerned. Actions are needed, not words. Let Brazil open borders for firefighters and firefighting planes from across the world. We have no choice but to act, and act now

The petty political game of Bolsonaro must end here and now. He does not have the mandate to hold the planet hostage, neither by the vote of Brazilian population nor by the natural and human laws (and God's laws if you will).
The director of the Brazilian space institute INPE sacrificed his career (fired by Bolsonaro) to allow publishing the data to warn the world of 88% increase of fires for the same duration compared to last year (because the fires won't stop today they will rage long after, as they did past years, therefore yes by now they are the biggest on record). Those data are not negotiable, they can be easily proven by satellites of other countries. Brazil is not an isolated island or continent on another planet. And it is not up to one man to decide its fate, even less the fate of the world. Time for politics ENDS NOW. Time for rescue the planet must start now, this weekend.

a reply to: Phage

I see that California's Wild Fire "Season" now encompasses most of the year.

www.nbcnews.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Except for the landslide season.

There are indications that the "fire season" is getting longer though.

a reply to: 2012newstart

Later, however, in a Facebook live broadcast, he said that farmers could be involved in lighting the fires

It could happen.


But let's not do anything about it because...livelihoods?

originally posted by: 2012newstart

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: whiteblack

hundreds of thousands species if not millions in Amazon...but the impact will be on the whole planet and very soon. Only a miracle can save us. Hope that miracle happens

If the Amazon provides 20% of Earth's Oxygen, what can we do to use less oxygen, so mankind doesn't suffocate?

nothing..we are doomed...moreover, the further cuts in Amazon lead to further increase of CO2 in atmosphere that has not been stored in the trees, and also to further decrease of rains in Amazon that will bring further bigger fires...a magic circle with dead end

Maybe mankind should keep the Earth inhabitable, before investing so much in the Moon and Mars.

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: 2012newstart

originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: 2012newstart
a reply to: whiteblack

hundreds of thousands species if not millions in Amazon...but the impact will be on the whole planet and very soon. Only a miracle can save us. Hope that miracle happens

If the Amazon provides 20% of Earth's Oxygen, what can we do to use less oxygen, so mankind doesn't suffocate?

nothing..we are doomed...moreover, the further cuts in Amazon lead to further increase of CO2 in atmosphere that has not been stored in the trees, and also to further decrease of rains in Amazon that will bring further bigger fires...a magic circle with dead end

Maybe mankind should keep the Earth inhabitable, before investing so much in the Moon and Mars.

Big 'ol rock out there somewhere. Waiting to pounce. All our eggs are currently in one basket. And we're screwing that basket up!

My daughter says, "So what, Dad, what happened?" I say, "Sorry, kid."

Or maybe we can walk (baby steps) and chew gum at the same time.

Apparently it could be aliens according to the Brazilian president.
'Shall I blame the Martians for Amazon fires?'

news.sky.com...

a reply to: tarifa37

Yep! Or maybe the alien is he himself, thinking Brazil is on another planet.


www.bbc.com...

See the following map published by BBC, how the fires follow the main rivers... the nature strangely burns in ordered pattern, exactly where there is most water...and most people who want it burned.
The other bigger concentrations are along the southern and eastern borders of the rainforest, i.e. where the most new forest clearings occur where the farmers want more territory next to their own.

The pictures and data speak for themselves. No one needs to be "evil leftist" or prophet to see what happens on the ground. Our house has been burned intentionally at the moment the climate is on the edge...