Did the Americans sink the Kursk?

StrategyWorld.com: What Really Happened to the Submarine Kursk

June 3, 2005

New information has come to light about the Kursk disaster. For those
with short attention spans, the Kursk was the Russian submarine that
blew up and sank in the Arctic Ocean killing all 118 on board. The
Russians tried to blame the incident on a collision with an unidentified
object. However, sonar tapes which recorded the blasts (a small one at
first, then a much larger one two minutes later) cast doubt on these
claims.

A whistle blower within the Russian military has leaked that the Kursk
was testing a new type of torpedo when the accident occurred. It
seems very likely that the test didn't go quite as planned. While
rescue efforts to save the survivors of the Kursk failed, salvage crews
were able to recover a 'Black Box' from the submarine which contained
detailed accounts of the events leading up to the explosion. A copy of
those tapes has recently come into the hands of NATO intelligence
officers, one of whom leaked it to the press..

It turns out that the submarine crew was trying to load Microsoft
Windows XP on their fire control computer. Their intent was to replace
the aging CP/M operating system with the flashier Windows OS.
Apparently, the Russians didn't know about the legendary stability
problems exhibited by Windows. The log tapes make this painfully
obvious:

Transcript of Portions of the Kursk Log

Captain: Is the new fire control Windows OS installed yet Comrade?
Seaman: Almost Sir. We just need to finish filling out the
registration card.
Captain: Excellent. Soon we will be able to point and click our
enemies into oblivion. [evil laughter in background]
Seaman: Comrade Captain! It is booting! Look, it says 'Preparing to
run Windows for the first time'. [long pause]
Seaman: Arrgh! Sir, it wants me to reboot again. That makes the 27th
time.
Captain: Hmmm. This is not encouraging. Go ahead and reboot again.

Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. [another long pause]
Seaman: Captain, it is up again. It says it found new hardware . . .
. A CD-ROM drive and that it needs drivers.
Captain: Where are the drivers?
Seaman: On the CD-ROM.
Captain: You are joking, no?
Seaman: No Sir.
Captain: Reboot the damn thing again. I am starting not to like this
Windows. [another long pause]
Seaman: Sir! It is back! It says it found the Gorby2000 Torpedo and
is looking for the device drivers. Do we have a driver disk?
Captain: I do not think so.
Seaman: I will tell it to use the default drivers. [another long
pause]
Seaman: Crap. It wants to reboot again.
Captain: How many times are we going to reboot today? This is taking
forever. Our hull is going to rust out before this works. [another
long pause]
Seaman: Sir! It is up and this time it is not asking for anything!
Captain: Really? No device drivers? No registration cards? No user
profiles?
Seaman: No Sir. I think it is ready.
Captain: Good work comrade. Now click on the fire control icon and
let us see how this works.
Seaman: Clicking now, Sir. [another long pause]
Captain: Why does the fire control screen have a dancing paper clip on
it?
Seaman: I have no idea Sir.
Captain: Hmmm, well try clicking on the menu.
Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. Let us see; Open E-mail, Spam a friend, Mail a
Virus, Fire a Torpedo . . . .
Captain: We will spam a friend later. L et us fire a torpedo.
Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. [another long pause]
Seaman: It is asking us to load the torpedo and to click when ready.
Captain: Torpedo room, load a torpedo in tube number 1!
Intercom: This is the Torpedo room. The torpedo is loaded Sir.
Captain: Click on the continue button.
Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. [another long pause]
Seaman: It is asking for a target Sir.
Captain: Hmmm, target the Rainbow Warrior.
Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. Damn! It says the torpedo is low on ink.
Captain: Click ignore. W e will get some ink when we return to base.
Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. We are ready to fire.
Captain: Very good. You may fire when ready comrade.
Seaman: Firing torpedo, Sir. [another really long pause]
Captain: Well?
Seaman: I am trying Sir. Nothing is happening. Wait a minute . . . .

[Loud explosion in the background]
Intercom: [Screaming]
Captain: Wtf was that?!?!?
Seaman: Captain! A new screen has appeared! It says, "Outlook
Express Fire Control has performed an illegal operation and will be shut
down. Click 'OK' to continue."
Seaman: Oh my God! The paper clip has died! What should I do?
Captain: Shut it down! Shut it down!
Seaman: It is not responding, Sir!
Captain: Try 'CTRL-ALT-DELETE'!
Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. . . . Sir! We are in luck! The task manager is
still operating. I am instructing the task manager to shut down Outlook
Fire Control. [another long pause]
Seaman: The task manager says "Outlook Fire Control not responding."
Captain: Well no s**t. Tell it to "End Task".
Seaman: Nothing is happening Sir.
Captain: Try 'CTRL-ALT-DELETE' again.
Seaman: Aye aye, Sir. [sounds of frantic pecking on keyboard.]
Seaman: Oooh! What a pretty blue screen!
Captain: Holy $@#%! Not the blue screen of death
[Loud explosion heard]

The tape ends at this point. During the week long rescue effort,
divers reported hearing tapping in Morse Code coming from survivors
inside the damaged sub. The rescuers couldn't understand why a group of
men would spend the last of their strength tapping out "Windows S**ks!"
in Morse. The tapes of the last moments of the Kursk may offer some
insight into this.

Wow, I don't know what to say. I do know it's tacky to poke fun, especially out of respect for the families. I'd hate to see the jokes out about our 9/11.

Edit: This is pointed towards the site/article, not you Hellmut.

[edit on 3-6-2005 by SourGrapes]

There is no way that hole was caused by a torpedo. Have you ever seen the video of a torpedo that hits a retired destroyer? It snaps the keel in two and sinks it immediately. When a torpedo goes off, it detonates below the target, creating a massive air bubble which snaps the keel, or the hull and causes massive damage to the target. In the case of the video with the destroyer, it's floating there, and suddenly the middile of the ship snaps upward, and it settles back down into the water, and goes down in like a minute.

Greetings,

I will not pretend to have a vast knowledge on Submarine warfare, but that hole does seem similar for some reason, it reminds me of the Harpoon strike videos. I would find it hard to believe that the Sub would be on the surface although it is possible under a number of conditions, escape, ordered, forced?

I have to admit though that the hole appears to be VERY low on the hull... does any one know how high these float in the water?

- Phil


[edit on 5-7-2005 by gooseuk]

Originally posted by Jaychael
Hear's a better one.
Notice the pic of the diver in the hole. It says some in the outter hull were 2.5 Meters across to allow them access.

www.memagazine.org...

This link pretty much clinches it for me. It even explaines the groove towards the back of the hole. The Kursk was almost standing on its bow in the water. If the hole was cut for the type of hook shown in this link the cable would be against the hull aft of the hole. As tension was placed on the cable during the lift it would have created the groove.

As far as a torpedo being used to sink the Kursk that is absurd. First it would be a Mk. 48 torpedo not an air dropped Mk. 46. The Mk. 48 is an accoustical homing torpedo. It is attracted to sound and is designed to attack from astern, where the propellor and machinery spaces are. If for some reason that a torpedo was fired at the Kursk and happened to hit the front of the sub the hole would be much bigger. 650 lbs. of high explosives would make more than that rinky dink hole.

www.fas.org...

Don't these people ever get tired of bad mouthing the U.S.? How hard is it to at least do a little homework and at least try to sound believable. Lets not let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy.

Originally posted by JIMC5499

Don't these people ever get tired of bad mouthing the U.S.? How hard is it to at least do a little homework and at least try to sound believable. Lets not let a little thing like the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy.

Yeah, I posted something similar earlier in this thread (or maybe it was anotherone just like it). Anyway, the answer to your last quest is "no", these wannabes never do get tired of bashing the U.S. Thing I still can't figure out, though, is why so many still want to move here if it's so bad, when really no one from the U.S. moves anywhere else.

Yep, U.S. envy - that must be it.

There has been rumours about Putin getting rid of the top military chiefs by sending them to test some uber torpedo what was tampered to explode at firing. But they are only rumours .
-aape

reply to post by centurion1211


the americans definatly sunk the kursk, theres alot of evidence pointing to this fact.
two american subs were activly shadowing the kursk which has already been confirmed, one of the american subs apparently got too close to the kursk which sometimes happens during shadow operations.
the american sub accidenty collideded with the kursk, causing the kursk to open the torpedo valve, the second american sub "heard" the russian via sonnar and decided to shoot 1 torpedo into the kursks hull (shoot or be shot).
the american sub which was subsequently damaged was later pictured with its hull damaged in one of the american bases a few days after the tragedy.
putin knew all the facts, he didnt even bother comming off his holiday simply because he was informed of all events, he later got alot of compensation from the americans , they decided to cull one of there debts to the russians, i cant remember the figure but putin was happy with the compensation.
putin didnt want to realise the facts and start world war 3 , would you?, over an accident?, he played the right cards and like i said was duly compensated.

I think the cost to the US was ten billion,supposedly the cost of the Kursk,you forgot the parts about the Chineese intelligence officers aboard the Kursk for observational reasons,the Ruskies were showing the Chineese their "super torpedo"in the hopes of selling it to them,the killer is that the possesion of this advanced torpedo at that time would have given the Chineese an absolute advantage on the open water,tipping world power in a dangerous way.

Also dont forget that the US soon after was sold the same torpedo by CANADA,shortly after CANADA purchased the Torpedo from Russia,so balance was kept globally,the Russians lost a sub for trying to sandbag the Americans by selling the goods to China,then kept their mouths shut because they were probably facing a finger on a red button---the US would have definately been threatening MAJOR action if Putin squealed over the sinking of the Kursk.

America made good by paying the reds for the sub ,and russia made good by selling the torpedo to Canada,Canada played mediator by selling the torpedo to the US therby telling me that the Chineese must have already had the torpedo when the kursk was sunk or shortly thereafter,Russia allowed the US to get the goods or equal technology to save their own arses.


Dont forget Canadas role here,somehow we seem to be involved in every bloody peacemaking mission on the planet.

reply to post by Hellmutt


I'm aware that this subject is somewhat 'to bed' but would like to offer the hypothesis that the Kursk was accidentally hit by a dummy weapon fired from a Royal Navy fast-attack nuclear submarine which, as a result of this omission, was immediately re-deployed to Arctic waters.

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might b getting old hat but I lean to one of the poster's comments that the Kursk was test firing the shkval? 200 mph unarmed torpedo and it malfunctioned and circled and come onto her from aft to penetrate the torpedo room and instigated the 2 xplosions
as well Memphis and Toledo were involved and may have screwed the shkval guidance system besides getting damaged from collision and'or the massive explosion
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the tragedy is the beurocratic cya that ensues while enlisted men die

I've seen several claims that the hole was made during the rescue operation, and was not caused by a torpedo (dummy or not).


However, they could've saved 1/5th of the crew...

a reply to: Hellmutt

It certainly wasn't caused by a torpedo impact, as claimed.