Former MCC Inmate: There’s ‘No Way’ Jeffrey Epstein Killed Himself

a reply to: Sookiechacha

So, I'm asking, is your source suggesting that the hanging angle is impossible, and therefore a lie?

My source? I don't have a source. I obtained the information from large published newspapers that for some reason you wont acknowledge. They wrote the stories and their sources are former inmates who spent time in those cells in that jail. Please don't respond until after you read them.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Waterglass

Another poster just let me know that the autopsy results are reportedly coming out this afternoon. For what it's worth. But if it does come out this quick, then the cause of death cited must be rather obvious. Not like poisoning or drug overdose, which would take time to test.

My first thought when I saw these articles was to wonder if the coroner was aware of them... Will the coroner adjust his report accordingly? (My confirmation bias is showing...)

The coroner is such a very important significant link in a criminal investigation. It will determine is which direction an investigation will go into. We all know about the death of two young boys who fell asleep on the railroad tracks in Mina, Arkansas and died....this conclusion of a coroner abruptly ended any criminal investigation. Or about the men who shot themselves two or three times in their own heads...and to make it an obvious suicide one time in the chest. Not being sure about the previous but just to illustrate and understand what is possible to have a coroner stop an investigation... Of course there can be demanded a second opinion but that did not change much for the outcome and families of the victims in these cases.

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: Sookiechacha

To date only the MSM is reporting suicide as factually while the FBI hasn't confirmed that yet.

are you and your source trying to say

I am not saying anything other than what two former inmates are saying. They are saying that its nearly impossible to commit suicide in the cell he was in. Form your own opinion. Look at the "Gulag" article from 2018. In another article, one prisoner say that Epstein would eat his food off the floor. I didn't link that article here.

It was initially reported as a heart attack, but very quickly switched to suicide. Coroner's report is critical.

No it wasn’t. It was reported that he was found in cardiac arrest.

Which is they way they usually describe a heart attack victim. It was initially described as a heart attack and then switched to suicide.

I am not implying anything other than it was first described as a heart attack situation.

Except they said cardiac arrest, which is common with hanging, and did not say heart attack, which is caused by a blockage of a heart valve and not something caused by hanging.

Googling Epstein cardiac arrest brings up article after article with that specific phrase used. “Epstein heart attack” does not. They are not the same thing and using the terms interchangeably is inaccurate. I haven’t seen or heard any source report it as a heart attack, and I was on this literally from the moment the story broke.

a reply to: RickinVa

And most importantly, documents on friday...Epstein dead early Saturday... that gives people about 40 hours to speculate until the official story comes out on Monday morning. Timing is critical. The public reaction in that 40 hour window will drive the official story.

And note that the conspiracy narratives are being driven by pretty much everyone -- the media, public officials, celebrities -- everyone. For whatever reason, this frenzy -- this confusion and speculation -- is being encouraged and promoted at all levels.

No voices of "reason" to talk us all down and rationalize away our doubts and fears.

a reply to: RickinVa

One former inmate said that the Guards will enable you to break down. Another wrote that Epstein ate his food off the concrete floor. Place sounds like a hell hole and its been in Jerry Nadler's Congressional District since 2013.

a reply to: zatara

The coroner is such a very important significant link in a criminal investigation. It will determine is which direction an investigation will go into. We all know about the death of two young boys who fell asleep on the railroad tracks in Mina, Arkansas and died....this conclusion of a coroner abruptly ended any criminal investigation.

Good example. I remember that.

Not long ago there was a similar problem with the Los Angeles County coroner fudging reports...

Of course there can be demanded a second opinion but that did not change much for the outcome and families of the victims in these cases.

And to the best of my knowledge, Epstein has no immediate family to request a second opinion, pretty much shutting out any possibility of that.

a reply to: Boadicea

Epstein has a brother,,, he was involved in some of the "businesses" that Jeff ran. The flight Trump took on one of Jeff's planes was with this brother.

a reply to: Boadicea

Epstein has a brother who is also buddy buddy with the same people Jeffrey was.

I would be absolutely shocked if he doesn’t go along with the suicide story though.

a reply to: Shamrock6
a reply to: RickinVa

Doh! You are both correct, of course, and I stand corrected!

The really pathetic thing is that I actually knew better. It was his brother who had talked about Trump being on that flight in a deposition.

Color me embarrassed!

As mentioned in a past report at the same facility where the guards said an inmate overdosed and the family subsequently checked the coroner's report and found it was all blunt force injuries as cause of death. "the prison staff tried to cover it up".

So everyone has a precedent to suspect they would do it again, especially a formal investigation. Are the guards there running their own "Star Chamber"?

a reply to: Waterglass

My source? I don't have a source. I obtained the information from large published newspapers that for some reason you wont acknowledge.

That's your source. Your source's source seem to suggest that the official story is an impossibility, and that officials are, therefore, lying. If your sources are correct, that's kinda a big deal.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars

originally posted by: TerryMcGuire
a reply to: Waterglass

“You have someone who’s beaten to death in MCC, and there are cameras everywhere,” Laufer said. “There’s not an inch of that facility that is not surveilled

If this is the case, then we can expect the DOJ and FBI investigation to be over quickly, right? For that matter it should be over by now one might assume.

However it this complete surveillance system did not record the death for one reason or another then we can assume that someone messed with the cameras and THAT would also be know immediately. Don't you think?

So in either event we should be hearing about the results shortly.

Give them the time to whip up a good, deep fake video.

Then they will end the investigation.

That's it completely . If we don't have the information fully disclosed by tonight or first news cycle tomorrow then I will call bullcrap. Pull that video and get the proof. If there is no video or it takes weeks or even days to disseminate, then we all can guess why. Because as you say it will all be doctored. But for that matter if we attribute any brains to these percieved villians, they could already have that video in the can and then where are we.....?

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: M5xaz

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Waterglass

Epstein wasn't on suicide watch. Other than that, are you and your source trying to say that Epstein didn't die from hanging, because hanging oneself, even with assistance, in a jail cell is impossible?

Got to protect monstrous pedophiles Bill and Hillary Clinton at any cost, right ?

How is Bill and Hillary implicated? I knew this is where all this hemming an hawing was going.

Epstein, the rampant pedophile, evidently helped create the Clinton Foundation. Bill flew on the lolita express at least 26 times.

Where have you been?

a reply to: Boadicea

And note that the conspiracy narratives are being driven by pretty much everyone -- the media, public officials, celebrities -- everyone. For whatever reason, this frenzy -- this confusion and speculation -- is being encouraged and promoted at all levels.

No voices of "reason" to talk us all down and rationalize away our doubts and fears.

That is the most important known fact in this whole mess.

Why

You want a conspiracy theory? Here you go:

It's known that Trump took a flight on one of Epstein's planes with Epstein's brother from NY to FLA because of problems with Trump's plane.

They can't connect Trump good enough with Jeff without dragging a crapload of other people down too. Shift the focus...surely the brother knew everything that was going on,,,Trump flew with the brother one time so he had to be involved as well...IMPEACH!!!!!!!!!!!

Film at 11.

originally posted by: LookingAtMars
a reply to: Boadicea

That is the most important known fact in this whole mess.

I agree.

Why

I sure wish I knew.

For now, we can only wait for coroner's report and go from there. Hopefully we'll know something tomorrow morning, if not this evening.

a reply to: RickinVa

Actually there is no record of it, only Epstein's brother's claim Trump did. Maybe it is true, maybe it is not. What is NOT true for sure is that we know.

a reply to: Shamrock6

BTW I agree with you. All you can glean from it is that Epstein was found dead at 6:38. Critical things like how long he was dead before 6:38 and how he died remain to be seen. I don't doubt for a minute that Epstein committed suicide or was killed.

Man, the Dems sure are happy at this turn of events. It is pretty convenient.

Are they using JFK's coroner?