Mexico and Central America are the Illegal Immigration Problem - and it's Not Racist!

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
To address the assimilation aspect, I will concede that first generation illegals from Mexico and Central America do not assimilate as well as other groups because there are simply so many more of them, they can stick to their own and continue on with their language and customs where as immigrants from other countries do not have that luxury and are forced to assimilate quicker. 2nd generation children of Mexico, central and South America on the other hand fully assimilate and often times marry outside of their race.

Now if Asia, Africa, Europe etc were on our border and not Mexico, Central America, the situation would be the other way around. We have so many more people here from Mexico and Central America simply because of their proximity.

Yes their proximity to us geographically plays into it.

But also our horrible foreign policy "the Drug War" has caused massive criminal syndicates to destroy their nations. Their govts became corrupted, countless people are murdered, kidnapped, it's lawlessness, etc.

If we end this terrible war than I believe within just a few years the entire situation will reverse and those nations will start healing and improving drastically. This will remove the main reason they are fleeing their war-torn nations, and they will probably mostly want to return home when they see their homelands are improving so much.

originally posted by: Puppylove

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
Is it the fear of replacement by an inferior culture? The fact that you consider them inferior is racist. When you insist that any one culture/race/nationality is inferior to any other culture that is in fact racist. This is the same type of attitude that led to the justification of slavery and segregation.

What do you think of this article, it is from a source that I think most Trump supporters support. I'm not sure what to make of it or what it means for the future of America as we once knew it.

www.breitbart.com...

Woah, hold on here, how in the world would, hypothetically, calling a made up culture just for an extreme example, that commits daily ritual sacrifices of children, rapes prepubescent children to "educate them about sex", holds women as slaves to the men, forcing them to stay in a constant state of motherhood, to provide children to be raped and sacrificed, and many other horrible things we could think of, inferior a racist act, and if it is, well then #ing call me a racist.

If being bigoted against a culture that for example supported all the things I listed above makes me a bad person, than I have no idea how you define good, and I'm not sure I want to. Also talk about creating logic loops, what if there's a culture that kills all children born with white skin, is it ok to be bigoted against that culture for being racist, or is it racist to be against said culture?

My head is spinning at your logic that disliking another culture due it's actions, which you consider detrimental to society is racist or necessarily a bad thing to do... there are lots of traits a culture could have that I not only find detestable, but am shocked by how many people defend them based on the idiotic concept of strength in cultural diversity. Culture can be both good and bad, accepting all culture just because of diversity is simply idiotic.

Good post, excellent point.

You should never feel unfairly pressured into accepting questionable practices via name-calling.
We all reserve the right to question the practices of anyone, it's completely fair and reasonable.

In fact it's helpful to examine issues and to find what's wrong with them so that we can focus on improving those aspects and discover the root causes to fix them.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: muzzleflash

Excellent OP -- well researched, well presented, and very much needed!

Flagged and starred each of your opening posts.

Thank you.

Thank you too.

It took some courage to post it because I knew that some individuals would get upset with me for bringing up the facts and discussing the problem so directly.

I wish people were more reasonable but it's not my fault if they aren't.
And if they were going to hate me for saying the truth well, it's bound to happen eventually anyways.

Might as well post what I want and not worry about their judgment of me. I figure if they're going to hate me let's get it settled sooner rather than later. So I posted it and didn't care what they think of me, lol.

originally posted by: VictorVonDoom
Enough is enough! We need to put an end to this illegal immigration problem.

We need to call a special session of Congress to discuss legislation. Since we have people entering this country illegally, what we need to do eventually is end immigration for all the people trying to do it legally. But we should do it incrementally.

Start with registration of all people in this country who were not born here. That way, we can track them down later and deport them.

Then we need to ban assault immigrants, bump stock immigrants, and high capacity immigrants. We need background and mental health checks for everyone not born in this country. And we need Red Flag laws to identify people who may try to enter this country illegally. We need to establish No Immigrant zones for schools, hospitals, shopping centers, food processing plants, and other soft targets. We also need to close the refugee migrant loophole.

Since some people abuse the law, we must take away legal avenues for everyone else. Think of the children.

Hahhahaha, love your sarcasm there Doom!
Thanks for chiming in!

a reply to: muzzleflash

Well good for you! I've posted some of those type posts too. The way I see it is haters are going to hate. Those that can correct me will, and I will appreciate the information and new perspective. Those who cannot correct me -- or at least expand my perspective -- but would still hate one me or the OP don't have anything worth listening too anyway.

So what can ya do but be true to yourself and the truth as you know it?

originally posted by: Serdgiam

originally posted by: muzzleflash

I don't know what the true agenda here is, but it doesn't look good. I'm thinking it's more about destroying the culture and peace of the nation rather than it is about going against Trump, as I'd presume Trump is just a patsy in this case whether willingly or unknowingly it doesn't matter either way.

Yes..

Also note that the US is not the only one facing this *exact* agenda, it just plays out a bit differently according to carefully cultivated narratives.

Its about bringing first world nations "to parity" with the third world. This is for all of our own good, naturally

A situation like this requires clear eyes and good data, which this thread definitely works towards. Its so tricky to try to have productive discourse, for so many reasons..

Well done on the thread muzzle

Perhaps the end game of "bringing 1st world nations to parity with the 3rd" is about having a borderless society globally? If everywhere is the same, than there's no more arguments left for even having a border system. By then they will be able to track people's movements effectively no matter where on the globe they are, and it will eliminate the need for jurisdiction in police matters.

Although ideally I like the concept of a world where you can travel everywhere freely, I have to accept that it's unrealistic currently and that it would be abused for all the wrong reasons. We have too many abusers and so we can't have good things, as usual.

Now if we could bring all the world's nations up to 1st world standards, and everyone could adopt a Constitutional structure like the USA's but with even more restraints on power and more protections to Liberty, than yes theoretically a global system would possibly work well.

But at this rate, and with our current corporate masters, I don't think it could work out very well. Instead of bringing everyone up they are doing what? Bringing everyone down to the lowest denominator.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: network dude

I agree with you, I also happen to think there are good people who the o.p. seems to think are inferior. Just because they have lower education levels does not mean they don't have good morals and hard work ethics. I think their should be a pathway for these people that are already here working and contributing to society. I don't think there should be open borders and I feel ice should be concentrating on deporting the "bad hombres" rapists, violent criminals, pedos, drug dealers and gang members.

The o.p. seems to be calling all illegals from Central and South America as "bad hombres" this is simply not true. in my opinion that is racist and I am not one to throw that word around for no reason.

OP is more than capable of speaking for himself but I have a hard time understanding where facts are racist. I don't use that word other than to laugh at the idiots who throw it around with reckless abandon.

The OP is facts about the numbers. Maybe I missed "brown man bad".

But from what I understand those "bad hombres" are the very one's ICE is looking for. The one's who have already gotten deportation orders, and ignored them.

I knew that someone would have a problem with it, lol.

I do find it a little bit surprising that the figures on education/language were twisted into an "inferior v superior" argument.

I personally don't believe that a formal education makes anyone superior over those without it. If I did I would have invested myself wholeheartedly into getting several PhD's so I could stroke my ego with little pieces of paper, hahaha.

But hey, you can't please everyone.

a reply to: muzzleflash

If you read the link it's not that another culture is replacing white Americans, white Americans are not replacing themselves. White Americans are not having enough children and their numbers are dropping. Non white babies on the other hand are being born at a high rate.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: muzzleflash

If you read the link it's not that another culture is replacing white Americans, white Americans are not replacing themselves. White Americans are not having enough children and their numbers are dropping. Non white babies on the other hand are being born at a high rate.

That's something that affects all modernized nations.
It doesn't matter what skin color they are - birth rates drop drastically when a society reaches modern standards.

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originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
Ina reply to: muzzleflash

I don't think in terms of your nation, I'm looking from outside the Box.

The whole world is in real trouble,it's really shaky ground, the U.S is a bit special,you guys are the hammer ,I love you guys I really do but the bull# being played out right now is just mental.

Trump has been dividing every single little piece of progress that has been achieved, I understand that as a hammer you see everything else as an obstacle, but dude C'mon.

Look at what is happening, people are on edge , POTUS should be uniting us ,what's happening is #ed and the people that support this downward spiral are the mentally ill.

The fake news is facilitating it.

The progress that was made was erased by the media. The MSM has openly showed that if the people of this country do not vote the way the MSM leans, the MSM will divide us until they get their socialist revolution.

It's their way or they will do everything within their power to burn it all down.

Trump is just calling that out; and because he's not bending over for a raping it's driving the socialists more extreme.

Yuri Bezmenov explained this would happen in the early 80s.

There will come a time when socialists run education, journalism, entertainment, and government in the US, and when they achieve that hold, the will constantly antagonize the population until the population burns itself down and can be rebuilt by the socialists left standing.

The people around Trump, and Trump himself, are well aware of that.