Mexico and Central America are the Illegal Immigration Problem - and it's Not Racist!

Enough is enough! We need to put an end to this illegal immigration problem.

We need to call a special session of Congress to discuss legislation. Since we have people entering this country illegally, what we need to do eventually is end immigration for all the people trying to do it legally. But we should do it incrementally.

Start with registration of all people in this country who were not born here. That way, we can track them down later and deport them.

Then we need to ban assault immigrants, bump stock immigrants, and high capacity immigrants. We need background and mental health checks for everyone not born in this country. And we need Red Flag laws to identify people who may try to enter this country illegally. We need to establish No Immigrant zones for schools, hospitals, shopping centers, food processing plants, and other soft targets. We also need to close the refugee migrant loophole.

Since some people abuse the law, we must take away legal avenues for everyone else. Think of the children.

a reply to: Puppylove

So you think people from Mexico and Central America promote that ideology, I would call those people "bad hombres" and by all means deport them. The vast majority of people I know from those countries do not adhere to that kind of behavior. I'm sorry if you believe they do you have been watching too many YouTube videos with dark music playing in the background. Now that is what I call a cynical view of reality.

a reply to: Puppylove

There is no culture on Earth that you could stereotype all it's people as good or bad. There is good and bad in every culture. Stereotyping an entire culture because of the acts of some is definitely bigoted. Judge not my skin color but by content of character.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

I don't know what the true agenda here is, but it doesn't look good. I'm thinking it's more about destroying the culture and peace of the nation rather than it is about going against Trump, as I'd presume Trump is just a patsy in this case whether willingly or unknowingly it doesn't matter either way.

Yes..

Also note that the US is not the only one facing this *exact* agenda, it just plays out a bit differently according to carefully cultivated narratives.

Its about bringing first world nations "to parity" with the third world. This is for all of our own good, naturally

A situation like this requires clear eyes and good data, which this thread definitely works towards. Its so tricky to try to have productive discourse, for so many reasons..

Well done on the thread muzzle

a reply to: conspiracy nut

I'm judging the culture, not it's individual citizens. You can judge a culture as a whole, the whole not doing so thing is absurd it creates dumb ideologies of acceptance for atrocities simply due to not every citizen being a direct participator in those atrocities. It allows despots to use their citizens as shields against change.

The southern border is loaded with bad #, cartels, etc, which we all know about, and these people take advantage of our weakened border to benefit themselves and harm our nation. Many of the people coming here are refugees running from these people, but hidden among them are human traffickers, drug traffickers, etc, many of whom are taking advantage of these refugees, causing them to have terrible lives when they get here, where once here they are taken advantage of as well. They simply jump from one bad situation to another, and drag our nation down with them, as their problems back home are following them here, and taking advantage of them to expand in the US.

You want so badly to just see individuals you are completely missing the forest for the trees. I don't know about you, but I don't want to live in Mexico 2.0, I don't care for being ruled by Cartels, the corporations are bad enough.

a reply to: Puppylove

But that is not the culture, I'm sorry you see it that way. The majority of people coming here are fleeing the very things you are complaining about.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

And bringing those things with them.

a reply to: Puppylove

I respectfully disagree. Focus on getting rid of the bad hombres (that includes those intent on living off our benefits) and you will see people from those countries have a beautiful culture, family values and hard work ethic.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

We can't focus on getting rid of the "bad hombres" because idiots want a weak ass border. If you really honest and truly care about the people down south, then start figuring out ways to get rid of the bad hombres down there so that they have no need to move here.

We can't do that though, because that would involve invading another country basically since the cartels are too ingrained in their government. So the only option we have is a strong border, and the ONLY way to properly vet the people coming into this country is through LEGAL immigration.

a reply to: Puppylove

I do believe we have to tackle the cartels. while I am for a secure border I don't believe that alone will stop the violence and crime from crossing over. I agree it is a step amongst many steps needed to help address the issues we are facing. Instead of pointing fingers at either party we have to unite if we are going to get anywhere.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

The problem is that far too many dont learn how to 'Murica.

Not so long ago, immigrants were excited to be Americans. Now, they are only excited to be in America. Thats a big difference.

We actually see this behavior internally as well. Folks will move from a place like California, because they dont like the direction its gone, but then they create the exact same situations in the places they move. They dont know any different, and generally, dont even realize what they are doing.

So, even the good people can end up enabling the problems they are fleeing from, in the place they flee to. Especially if they arrive here in an environment that is already insulated from America at large, with everything from maintaining language barriers to assistance in avoiding taxes and gaining illegal documentation.

No amnesty for anyone until they pass an English test, a civics test, pay for those test and apply for legal citizenship.

We have millions who have been here illegally for decades and do not care. They want DACA and amnesty but what about the responsibility of being a U.S. Citizen. They never talk about how proud they would be to serve on a jury which by the way, is a required duty of all citizens.

I bet they like having a jury though when they need one which they get even though they are not citizens. Much better than their corrupt solo judge system where they come from. It is disrespectful and a disgrace to be here for 20 years plus and take advantage of a situation. They are no better than those in the cartel in terms of disregard for the law. Maybe they aren't killing and trafficking people but they are causing damage and a heavy burden on society just the same.

a reply to: Serdgiam

I believe that is true with the initial migrants, 2nd and 3rd generation tend to fall in line. I know plenty of 2nd and 3rd and on generation people that are super gung ho murica. Heck members of my own family are pro trump and could pass for duck dynasty characters.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: network dude

I agree with you, I also happen to think there are good people who the o.p. seems to think are inferior. Just because they have lower education levels does not mean they don't have good morals and hard work ethics. I think their should be a pathway for these people that are already here working and contributing to society. I don't think there should be open borders and I feel ice should be concentrating on deporting the "bad hombres" rapists, violent criminals, pedos, drug dealers and gang members.

The o.p. seems to be calling all illegals from Central and South America as "bad hombres" this is simply not true. in my opinion that is racist and I am not one to throw that word around for no reason.

OP is more than capable of speaking for himself but I have a hard time understanding where facts are racist. I don't use that word other than to laugh at the idiots who throw it around with reckless abandon.

The OP is facts about the numbers. Maybe I missed "brown man bad".

But from what I understand those "bad hombres" are the very one's ICE is looking for. The one's who have already gotten deportation orders, and ignored them.

a reply to: network dude

His facts are that the majority of illegals are from Mexico and Central America and that they are uneducated for the most part, he uses these facts to say they are inferior. My stance is that just because they are uneducated does not make them inferior and the majority are hard working people trying to further themselves and their families, they are working 50 + hours a week as evidenced by the 600+ people recently arrested in Mississippi. Imo labeling a gigantic swath of people as inferior and then saying others are "better" is racist ideology. I refrain from throwing the race card out there but in this case I feel, by definition it is racist. Are educated immigrants more beneficial to the u.s. than non-educated, that would be like saying that blue states are superior to red states because "facts" show that blue states are more educated.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

There are union workers in the South...they are just right to work states where unless there is a contract that requires them over non-union. But no doubt if you look up local unions you'll find at least 1 per major city. When I was IATSE in VA we were only required in certain venues based on a national contract but other places used us too cause we got things done faster and safer than cheaper labor. Just look it up and they are there to hire.

a reply to: conspiracy nut

He also demonstrates how poorly they integrate into our culture which is a bigger problem than education levels...which is bad enough...and the fact they dont follow the laws regarding living here makes them criminals off the bat living outside of the laws they need to integrate into. I'd say thats a problem.

originally posted by: network dude

originally posted by: sunkuong
a reply to: network dude

Potus could admit to the crimes he committed...and ask atonement.

which crimes?

there is the being a racist, being a bigot, being sexist, being mean, being orange, being Trump when he should have been Hillary.

Which crimes should he ask for atonement of?

Hahahha, that was a funny post to wake up to today network dude.
I slept for 10 or 11 hours, which was nice finally, and I'm not aching all over so much today.

Gonna read all these comments now.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
Is it the fear of replacement by an inferior culture? The fact that you consider them inferior is racist. When you insist that any one culture/race/nationality is inferior to any other culture that is in fact racist. This is the same type of attitude that led to the justification of slavery and segregation.

What do you think of this article, it is from a source that I think most Trump supporters support. I'm not sure what to make of it or what it means for the future of America as we once knew it.

www.breitbart.com...

I'm not sure who your post is directed to, but it can't be me.
I didn't say anything about anyone being inferior.

This thread was merely the result of me wondering "hmmm what are the facts behind this issue?" and then doing some research and this is what I found.

About "fear of replacement", I'd have to say that's a legitimate concern for any modernized nation. Like how would people in Japan feel if their entire population was displaced by a hundred million Americans who suddenly decided to move in illegally? I'd understand if they were furious over it.

So point being, after doing this research I realized that it's no surprise that all these people are upset about the illegal immigration issue, the numbers are pretty shocking.

For the record, I don't support Trump's policies - for example on this issue I listed my proposed policies about ending the drug war first and foremost and then making it easier for people to go back home if they choose.

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
a reply to: network dude

I agree with you, I also happen to think there are good people who the o.p. seems to think are inferior. Just because they have lower education levels does not mean they don't have good morals and hard work ethics. I think their should be a pathway for these people that are already here working and contributing to society. I don't think there should be open borders and I feel ice should be concentrating on deporting the "bad hombres" rapists, violent criminals, pedos, drug dealers and gang members.

The o.p. seems to be calling all illegals from Central and South America as "bad hombres" this is simply not true. in my opinion that is racist and I am not one to throw that word around for no reason.

Ok now I get it.
You believe that because the fact/figures I shared from Pew are calling them inferior.

That's ridiculous. I was merely citing the figures then rationalizing why it "makes sense" that people are frustrated and upset with them.

Doesn't it make sense? That this data, which shows they don't speak English and they have very low educations, explains why people are so upset and frustrated?

I don't really think the data is saying they are inferior either. It's just cold hard data. We are analyzing numbers here, just because certain groups are doing better or worse doesn't mean we should judge them as individuals like that.

In fact, these numbers show where the problem is and will help us identify who needs the most help. That's why I suggested we change our foreign policy and end the Drug War so that we can help them fix their homeland. I believe that most of them will want to return home when we fix that issue.