Body Cam Footage Shows Officers Mocking Tony Timpa as He Dies

a reply to: namehere

No, it's not murder. Again, this is why you guys never get "justice." You do you though.

It looks as though police operate under a one size fits all attitude when dealing with the public.

Look at the tasering of some old lady. (yeah, I know, she may have held a black belt in karate)

It makes me doubt at times the talk of how officers want to help the public.

Large man handcuffed behind his back and with officers knees in his back. Of course he could not breath. 13 minutes of that!!!

We had some bouncers at a bar here a decade ago or so kill a man the same way. Restrained with knees in his back for too long and he of course died. A couple of minutes is one thing, but 13 minutes? The pressure on his heart must have been extreme. Imagine if that were done to an older person with a bad heart or health issues.

I'm always pro-cop but I'd call that manslaughter.

All police should have themselves handcuffed behind their back and have a couple of large officers kneel on their back just so they understand, yes you can kill someone that way. No air you die.

And a person they knew was mentally ill also! It was obviously not intentional, but still its negligence and no way should they be back on duty.

a reply to: face23785

As usual though, the cop-haters will completely overblow this and claim it was murder.

Overblow

Ya, a guy died!! and of course you are the flipside to cop haters..the cop apologist's who deny the obvious they asphyxiated him!

Oh wow. A heavily edited video shows some officers “mishandled a situation”. Imagine my shock.

Some issues I have with the claim that the officers were in the wrong:

1. Those are Dallas police. I’m from Dallas. I’ve seen these guys tase a guy before even asking any questions because he was standing in the middle of the street, drunk, screaming, and threatening to fight bouncers and security guards. The video I just watched showed a very soft side of the DPD. They’re usually not that calm about anything.

2. There was a short clip where Tony was obviously rolling around and kicking his feet. Besides, he was saying the cops were going to kill him on first contact. From the little I was able to see, he was being starting to become a bit combative. People are unpredictable. Cops are paranoid. It’s better to be safe than sorry.

3. For my final point, the paramedics administered a “green oaks special”. For those of you not from Dallas, Green Oaks is our designated mental health evaluation and treatment center. Everyones friend Thorazine was what was in that little syringe. It’s standard procedure. If a mental health patient poses a threat to himself or others, they get a healthy heaping dose of Thorazine before being escorted to bed. You have approximately time enough to feel yourself falling on to the bed before you’re out cold. People joke about that all the time. The issue, however, is that our buddy Tony here was on coc aine. Can anyone tell me what happens when you mix uppers and downers? You do the math.

Recap: Crazy guy on coke calls the cops on himself. He freaks out when they get there. They restrain him like they restrain everyone. They act relatively professional. Paramedics show up and give him a shot of Thorazine. Cops joke about what they think is the Thorazine kicking in. Thorazine and coc aine don’t mix. The guy dies.

Logic trumps b.s. sensationalist videos.

a reply to: scolai

He had already stopped moving when he was given the injection. He was already dead most likely or in the process of dying. It was due to handcuffing a large man behind his back and then having a knee in his back for 13 minutes. No air, your heart fails and you die.

It's like the old, now illegal choke hold. Deny oxygen to control someone, occasionally someone will die. They don't even know the health status of a person when they do that.

I'm sorry, I am pro-cop and I'm usually on the other side of the argument, but in a case like this I'm not. He was not even resisting the last few minutes, even before he got that shot.

originally posted by: face23785
Obviously they didn't handle this situation right.

As usual though, the cop-haters will completely overblow this and claim it was murder..

One doesn't have to be a "cop-hater" to criticise these officers' despicable behavior.

So it doesn't qualify for murder (your argument), but that doesn't make it ok and it certainly doesn't mean those cops shouldnt have been fired for life.

One doesn't have to be a "cop-hater" to notice that bad police officers are never punished. They get a slap on the wrist and a desk job before getting sent back to continue their #@y work performance.

And because people come along and shame anyone who dares to speak out against these cops, it will never change.

Your attitude is concerning. "The cops did something wrong but it wasnt murder, so what's the big deal? Dont hate on them , they didn't murder anyone." You must be a cop, yes?

originally posted by: TexasTruth

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: TexasTruth

Man calls police for help, police kills man.


Rare event 🤔

Why don't you sign up for some ride outs with police, fire, or ambulance and then judge. You never know, maybe you would like to change careers and actually make a difference.

I always respect your posts but I'm disappointed with you on this one.

There is nothing wrong with criticizing a ploice officer and a paramedic for a chain of actions that led to or even caused the death of a self-reporting man with mental illness issues.

So if you aren't a cop, you're not allowed to criticize them? What the hell is that crap?

It is also appropriate for a person to point out that it seems too many cops are killing people needlessly. If you have a problem with someone for pointing that out, because they aren't a cop, I don't know what to say to you.

Personally I don't see anything horrendously wrong in the video. Tony was violent, and a big guy, so what stopped him from breathing the sedative maybe, who knows. Cops deal with crazies everyday and their actions are basically to restrain the person etc. its not some out of the norm situation for them and they were calm the whole time with no idea it got medically serious.

From The Dallas News :

Vaguely asserting that Timpa was "combative," Mata further misstates the facts. In a state-mandated custodial death report, the department conceded that the unarmed man did not resist arrest, and did not threaten the officers. Despite this express violation, and the officers mocking Timpa as he died, the department imposed no discipline at all.

Edit to add:
In a copy of that Custodial death report that I saw, they also stated that he did not try to flee from or fight with the officers.

a reply to: UFO1414

The cops/paramedics should be charged with manslaughter... totally unnecessary. Sad clip to watch.

The cops/paramedics should be charged with manslaughter., it was certainly a collective effort.. totally unnecessary. Sad clip to watch[

a reply to: Blaine91555

DPD has sat on my back for longer than 13 minutes while another officer searched my car (I got pulled over with a less than savory character in my car. I committed no crime, just FTR). I’m not a small guy. From what I saw, this was pretty standard operating procedure.

My point is, do we have to automatically blame the police in every single situation? Could his heart stopping possibly be due to the fact that this was a paranoid schizophrenic freaking out while on a substance that is known to cause heart problems?

I’m not saying cops are perfect. I’m just saying they didn’t seem to be particularly aggressive in this HEAVILY edited video.

a reply to: Blueracer

Nope.
I wasn't really trying to be funny.

a reply to: scolai

The case at the bar here got a lot of coverage and yes, it did actually kill a man in that case. That time it was bouncers, but on the video, they did exactly what the police does.

Sleeper holds don't kill either normally, but they discontinued the practice because it did occasionally kill someone.

When they do that, they have no way of knowing even the general health of the person. Not to mention this guy called them for help and was not trying to get away. He needed talked down, not put down.

I won't even comment on the jokes at the expense of the mentally ill, now deceased person. Making fun of the mentally ill is not something desirable in an officer in my mind. Shows a bit of a sick mindset. There was more going on there than just the fact they took actions that killed the man.

The man was terrified in fear for his life and he has officers around him making jokes at his expense. No person lacking empathy should ever make it through the process to get a badge and gun.

A reminder -

Vaguely asserting that Timpa was "combative," Mata further misstates the facts. In a state-mandated custodial death report, the department conceded that the unarmed man did not resist arrest, and did not threaten the officers. Despite this express violation, and the officers mocking Timpa as he died, the department imposed no discipline at all.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: TexasTruth

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: TexasTruth

Man calls police for help, police kills man.


Rare event 🤔

Why don't you sign up for some ride outs with police, fire, or ambulance and then judge. You never know, maybe you would like to change careers and actually make a difference.

That's not what they're about. Hashtag campaigns and hating cops on internet forums is so much easier. Then just hope one of those candidates promising them free stuff gets elected.

Stay classy...

Is an unarmed man, handcuffed and on the ground, is still serious threat to the Dallas PD officers. This video seem to indicate that it is.

I have a feeling it was CO2 poisoning. If you put your face down into ground like that, that grass traps all the air you breath out and if you don't move for a while, with CO2 being heavier than air, it will sink and stay there. Since he stopped rolling around & already had short breaths, which means less new air getting into the lungs (less new air inflow per breath), then even more CO2 builds up. Eventually you get tired.

He probably gave one last struggle when his lungs were burning and that is when the officer held him down one last time, that is when he passed out, after that, it was a quick downward spiral to death.

a reply to: scolai

"...do we automatically have to blame the police in every single situation?"

No, just the ones where they are responsible for the death, like this one.

In the video, you'll see that there are SEVERAL points along the way where the officers themselves knew something might be wrong, yet they kept on with their idle talk and did NOTHING to see if the guy was ok.

You hear an officer ask, several times "Is he breathing?" In fact, multiple officers asked themselves and each other if he was breathing, yet none of them checked for a pulse or for breath or even lifted his head to see if air was coming in and out of his mouth. They just kept pinning him down.

And then of course, you hear, at a few different instances, different officers ask, "Is he stiil alive? Is he dead? I didn't kill him, did I?"

So yes, we blame the officers in this one. Every single one who was there, they should never be allowed to work as a cop again. They knew something may be wrong but they did nothing.

a reply to: KansasGirl

They won't be fired though, cops like that are needed for population control, they need hardened thugs immune to people's suffering, can't wait for the robot police when they get rolled out it will make what those cops did seem tame.