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originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: neutronflux
Why was the collapse of Building 7 announced before it even happened if it wasn't planned? Why was there an incredibly robust terrorism insurance policy taken out on the WTC buildings 6 weeks before the event? Why had no other steel-framed high rise buildings collapsed as a result of fire, up until 9/11
Why was the collapse of Building 7 announced before it even happened if it wasn't planned?
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Why was there an incredibly robust terrorism insurance policy taken out on the WTC buildings 6 weeks before the event?
Why had no other steel-framed high rise buildings collapsed as a result of fire, up until 9/11
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The Damage
The Windsor Tower was completely gutted by the fire on 12 February 2005. A large portion of the floor slabs above the 17th Floor progressively collapsed during the fire when the unprotected steel perimeter columns on the upper levels buckled and collapsed (see Figure 1). It was believed that the massive transfer structure at the 17th Floor level resisted further collapse of the building.
The whole building was beyond repair and had to be demolished. The estimated property loss was �72m before the renovation.
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Fire Damage
Figure 4-13 shows WTC 5 on fire. The source of ignition has not been identified. It is likely that it was due to flaming debris entering the building from WTC 1 and WTC 2. There was a complete burnout of all combustibles from the 5th floor and above. Some steel beams supporting the roof were deformed due to the heat, as illustrated in Figure 4-14, and some local buckling occurred as well.
originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: neutronflux
Why was the collapse of Building 7 announced before it even happened if it wasn't planned? Why was there an incredibly robust terrorism insurance policy taken out on the WTC buildings 6 weeks before the event? Why had no other steel-framed high rise buildings collapsed as a result of fire, up until 9/11
I don't like to talk about any particular members, but I had even said to myself "I bet neutronflux will be on this thread" because it is a 9/11 thread that questions the official story. Looks like I was right.
originally posted by: FamCore
a reply to: neutronflux
Why was the collapse of Building 7 announced before it even happened if it wasn't planned? .
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WTC 7 Pulled
Larry Silverstein said that WTC7 was "pulled", intentionally demolished.
I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, "We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it." And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.
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Final group was pulled from Thai cave just before water pump malfunction
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Pull" = Withdraw firefighters from danger?
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Yes.
It certainly was used that way on 9/11. Again and again, “pull” is how firefighters and EMTs describe the afternoon withdrawal from the area in and around WTC 7. In the accounts I’ve read, excluding Larry Silverstein’s, “pull” is used 30 times to refer to the withdrawal of WTC firefighting and rescue operations. 27 of those references are about WTC 7. Add Silverstein’s statement and we’ve got 32 references to “pull” meaning “withdraw.” My survey was not exhaustive.
Here’s a summary of the first-person accounts I’ve read. All but a few are from first responders:
41 – People who specifically mention the severity of the WTC 7 fires
29 – People who specifically mention extensive damage to WTC 7
104 – People who mention the FDNY order to withdraw from WTC 7 area
36 – Number of times “Pull” is used to mean “withdraw rescuers”
39 – Other witnesses who say the collapse of WTC 7 was expected
Download an Excel spreadsheet breakdown of these accounts
Doubters, please read the following accounts in full.
I issued the orders to pull back the firefighters and define the collapse zone. It was a critical decision; we could not lose any more firefighters. It took a lot of time to pull everyone out, given the emotionalism of the day, communications difficulties, and the collapse terrain." FDNY Chief of Operations Daniel Nigro, "Report from the Chief of Department," Fire Engineering, 9/2002)
I do remember us being pulled off the pile. ...We were down by the pile to search or looking around. 7 World Trade Center was roaring. I remember being pulled off the pile like just before. It wasn't just before. It was probably an hour before 7 came down. –Firefighter Kevin Howe
Hayden: By now, this is going on into the afternoon, and we were concerned about additional collapse, not only of the Marriott, because there was a good portion of the Marriott still standing, but also we were pretty sure that 7 World Trade Center would collapse. Early on, we saw a bulge in the southwest corner between floors 10 and 13, and we had put a transit on that and we were pretty sure she was going to col-lapse. You actually could see there was a visible bulge, it ran up about three floors. It came down about 5 o’clock in the afternoon, but by about 2 o’clock in the afternoon we realized this thing was going to collapse.
Firehouse Magazine: Was there heavy fire in there right away?
Hayden: No, not right away, and that’s probably why it stood for so long because it took a while for that fire to develop. It was a heavy body of fire in there and then we didn’t make any attempt to fight it. That was just one of those wars we were just going to lose. We were concerned about the collapse of a 47-story building there. We were worried about additional collapse there of what was remaining standing of the towers and the Marriott, so we started pulling the people back after a couple of hours of surface removal and searches along the surface of the debris. We started to pull guys back because we were concerned for their safety.
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originally posted by: FamCoreAE911 Truth is pushing for a new investigation.
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The actual fire department is diplomatically referring questions back to the Commission:
Due to the recent vote by the Board of Fire Commissioners in regards to their resolution on launching a new 9/11 investigation, the department has received multiple questions and emails on the topic. The opinions of the Franklin Square and Munson Board of Fire Commissioners does not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Chiefs, Officers and Members of the Fire Department.
Please direct all questions about the resolution to Commissioner Chris Gioia 516-488-1858 Ext 141
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: one4all
Sad the conspiracy movement cannot apply a little common sense.
Like trying to claim the columns clearly cut during cleanup by cleanup workers were cut by thermite.
That is a nice piece of opinion...however the devil is in the details...counting the number of times "pulled" is used and listing who said it is sure cool...but context is everything.....there is no way to tap dance around this reality. IF WE LOOK AT THE constellation of possible alternative outcomes WHICH WOULD HAVE MANIFESTED HAD EACH OF THE PEOPLE LISTED NOT SIAD THE WORDS "PULL IT" only one of them will be projecting impacts that would be supportive and sympathetic of destroying a Federal Building containing records of a multi-TRILLION DOLLAR QUESTION MARK that could have felled an Administration.
I was clear enough in my hints/….there are special powers the Civil Leader or Mayor has....there is an SOP PROCEES between Federal and Civil Governments when it comes to National Security issues and co-operation regarding such.
The deepest connections between the American Government and the Group of Traitor Terrorists who actioned the Illegal Coup of JFKs Administration are cemented into history when the true facts illuminate themselves.THe PROOF THAT THOSE PEOPLE WERE STILL IN POWER AT THAT TIME IS IN THE PUDDING NOW.
The CONNECTIONS TO CHINA that allowed for the disposal of the materials....and EVERY SINGLE STEP OF THAT WAY FROM UNION CONNECTIONS TO and Palm-greasing that can be discovered......will be outed....the GLOBALITY of this group is clearly hammered into the overall template of this action....this one went to deep IMHO and it is the Achillies Heel of TPTB for this Era.Someone soiled the sheets on this one on a level never seen before in modern digital history.
originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: one4all
So, you have no actual evidence of controlled demolitions? Some video, audio, seismic, or physical evidence you would like to cite? Or you would rather rant?