China's Type 075 LHD

a reply to: Zaphod58


I agree with the push your neighbors around sentiment, but thier neighbors consist of alot of US allies. Thier CV's and the new Type 52 destroyers could be effective in that, if not for the US Navy. It's why the Freedom of Navigation exercises are so important. The days of ships of the line slugging it out are over- it's all about the networking of weaponry now. If I have 6 unmanned corvettes with 30 missle tubes a piece, I can probably take down the Liaoning and most of her battle group without risking many American lives. Load them up with those stealthy LRASM's and its gonna be a bad day for the PLAN. It's the same principle as the F-35 using F-15X's as a missile truck- it give us quality and quantity in how many shots we have in our magazine.

a reply to: GD

If I have 6 unmanned corvettes with 30 missle tubes a piece, I can probably take down the Liaoning and most of her battle group without risking many American lives.

One must always consider the ROE. No?

a reply to: Phage

Harpoon is still awesome. I think the carrier is very relevant- as strike platform for both land and sea. The forthcoming changes in what will be escorting them are going to change the way fleets are built and how they are used.

a reply to: GD

Gnarly Burke!

And I'm glad the Kuz is effectively no more.

a reply to: Phage

Absolutely- one LUSV will cost 200 million- and that will come down as we build more. We don't know what the PLAN spends on aircraft carriers- but the roughly equivalent British carriers are about 5 billion dollars each. An Arleigh Burke class destroyers costs about 2 billion dollars. The LUSV's are a bargain.

a reply to: GD

All that boils down to political will. Our political will lately has sucked, and China knows it. Even risking unmanned platforms has led to people saying it isn't worth it. If China does like they've been doing, and moving relatively slowly, they'll be positioned where they can hurt us and achieve their goals, and the politicians and public won't want to push them back.

a reply to: Zaphod58


Will is a problem. There were single battles (Battle of Elsenborn Ridge) in WW2 where we lost nearly as many men as we did in the entire Iraq war. I'm not sure most people even understand what's at stake anymore. I think we are starting to right ourselves though- at least the DoD is, in what they are trying to procure. I just hope the AF doesn't f up the NGAD

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a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah, I think in a previous thread the danger is that China acts now because they realize this is thief moment. We still have an advantage in tech and strategy, but if I’m a PLAN admiral I’m thinking now is the time for a bloody nose attack. Then again, I wonder if they feel trading all or most of their new Navy is worth showing the world that US tech can be vulnerable, under the right circumstances.

a reply to: GD

If China thinks it's best for them, they'll throw away whatever they have to, as long as they achieve their goals. They play a totally different game than the rest of the world.

a reply to: Zaphod58

They're watching. Always watching.

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Its an interesting development for sure and a natural porgression. I would have thought they would have rung out the carriers before embarking on a whole new class of ships for the PLAN (stupidest name ever for a navy BTW). They also will need a true STOVL airframe to make their own lighting carriers

As many have noted before its one thing to build, and another to use effectively in combat. That takes both time and blood.

China is no doubt eyeing a true blue water navy and will use Africa no doubt as one of its far flung bases. I would expect to see a modern version of the Great White Fleet at some point to flex their muscles and announce they have arrived

a reply to: FredT

They're not just building one. Second hull also being built now. Third has modules being delivered, probably for when the first gets launched.



While there is a learning curve, I also suspect it's a significantly less than 20 years that people keep throwing around. If this is meant to be a helicopter only LHD, then it is probably shorter.

There are rumors of a Chinese VSTOL but little to no solid info. The VSTOL would be useful and helpful for the Liaoning and Shandong as well.

a reply to: anzha

Nice pics!


My take is that while there is no intimidate STOVL aircraft, they will build these with equipping them down the road with them and make the necessary arrangements as its way way easier to this now 9Like the . But I agree they will be chopper based for now and follow the progression that the Japan's Izumo-class has

What will also be interesting is if we see a dramatic increase in Type 055 and 52C destroyers as these large capital ships will require a decent sized battle group for protection

launch ceremony or rehearsal for same.

edit: It was launched.

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