Democratic 2020 hopeful leads prayer in apologising for being White

originally posted by: Plotus
I will Never appologize for being WHITE, nor will I feel anything but pride for my Race.

Right, I was starting to agree with the first part of your post to an extent.

But the second part? "Pride"? "Race"?

Calm down, dear. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, dear.

So, as a hypothetical German teenage boy, I'm alright to feel "pride" for Russians for Russian ingenuity and invention and brave Russian men and women fighting Nazi soldiers valiantly back in the second world war, repelling them all the way back to Berlin?

Or, as a hypothetical spanish-speaking Argentinian, I'm alright to feel "pride" or the Portuguese as a whole for historical Portuguese advances and "inspiring" Portuguese men and women and explorers?

And whilst we're at it, do tell what "the White Race" actually is? Who decides who is "white" and who is not?

EDIT: By the way, you don't have to be a "bleeding-heart liberal" to decide that there is something iffy with the second part of your post...

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff
a reply to: Boadicea

Sorry
Thread title should have read “Apologise BECAUSE you are white”

Is that better?

Not really. More like, "SOME White people apologizing for the crimes of SOME other White people."

But that wouldn't get folks' dander up quite the same would it? That wouldn't get SOME White folks all worked up about others' virtue signalling while misrepresenting what actually happened, right?

Equally as sickening even when you play semantics

Semantics? Nope. Your title is an outright lie. At no time did anyone apologize for being White and at no time were they instructed to or requested to do so -- and they no doubt would have if they had been so instructed/requested.

What was sickening was that mindless zombie cult performance on the part of the audience with absolutely no positive or practical or proactive purpose. The fact that you missed that and immediately jumped into a big old pity party for White folks is pretty sad too.

Did we watch the same video???

She asked all the WHITE people in the room to stand up and apologise, how is that not apologising because they were white? The black or latinos people weren’t asked to apologise.
I didn’t miss anything, those people in that room are a lost cause, not much to say about them

No pity party here, just highlighting how sick Democrats and leftists in general are.
Angry and disgusted yes but definitely no pity or self loathing.

Not sure why you insist on the semantics (it is semantics) all the WHITE people were asked to stand and repeat an absurd apology, they were singled out because they were WHITE

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: IkNOwSTuff

African slavery was a thing long before they started selling black people to white people. They owned eachother for 1000’s of years and sold eachother to anybody willing, all over the world.

Why aren’t black people made to apologize for selling other black people into slavery?

Arabs and Jews were the main players in the slave trade, all the way upto the point were evil white people abolished it

You refer to different slave trades in your post. The historical so-called "Arab Slave Trade" was quite a while before the so-called "Slave Trade" that kids learn about in school today (aka The Triangular Trade/The Transatlantic Slave Trade)...

I’m referring to the slave trade period.
Is one of them worse than the other?
If it is then it’s only by virtue of one being perpetrated people who are melaningly challenged which would make it racist

What "slave trade period"? There were Trades (yes, plural) across the entire planet at several different points in time. Trades going on at the time of the Roman Empire; the Arab Trades after; a Trade involving large numbers of Native Americans; the Triangular Trade (the more popularly known one, commonly referred to as The Slave Trade). Just because they don't make lots of movies about any of the other Trades doesn't mean only (some) Africans were involved in slavery.

In fact, slavery still occurs around the world today, albeit mostly in parts of Africa and "the Arab world".

(Also, yes, they were all as bad as each other. The only reason why the Trade involving Black Africans is the most well-known is because it is the most recent and the Trade which involved many powers, many "companies" and was systematic and slightly more structured (and horrific and fatal in many instances) and became slightly intertwined with so-called "racial science" which briefly gained popularity.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Secretrooster
Honestly. Is it that bad for Europeans to apologize for the harm their ancestors caused? And the harm that has continued? I heard no one say “I apologize for being white”. We can’t help the race we are born into. We can try to correct the wrong of our ancestors though.

Are the sins of your ancestors your responsibility?

All of their sins? Or just this one?

What if your ancestors didn’t own slaves? It really wasn’t that common.

What if i’m white, but my Dad just immigrated from ireland, and my mom is mostly Native American? How much guilt should i harbor?

I’m not saying we are responsible for our ancestors actions. I’m saying be sympathetic. Have compassion. Acknowledge what Europeans did.

While I don’t agree completely with what the lady in the video said and how she said it. I do think looking at your neighbor to say “I’m sorry what happened back then and I’m sorry for what continues to happen today” is a good thing.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: Secretrooster
Honestly. Is it that bad for Europeans to apologize for the harm their ancestors caused? And the harm that has continued? I heard no one say “I apologize for being white”. We can’t help the race we are born into. We can try to correct the wrong of our ancestors though.

No, it's not bad. It's stupid like $h!t. Whoever ask why is stupid too.

Compassion is stupid? Got it.

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: Plotus
I will Never appologize for being WHITE, nor will I feel anything but pride for my Race.

Right, I was starting to agree with the first part of your post to an extent.

But the second part? "Pride? Race?

EDIT: By the way, you don't have to be a "bleeding-heart liberal" to decide that there is something iffy with the second part of your post...

Would it be “iffy” if said by a black or Asian person?

Society, or at least a very vocal minority of it, have deemed anything less than self loathing of whites as an expression or racism.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of the accomplishments of your ancestors or race regardless of who they are or what it is

If she and her family, and those in attendance and their families, feel they have contributed to the ills that have visited the African American community I don't see anything wrong for them apologizing for their negative contributions to society...


... just saying "sorry" is a rather empty gesture, but at least it's a start.

... I did read that this person and her family are rather well off and successful individuals; so I'm sure she could go a lot farther than saying "sorry". When she starts to liquidate her assets and hand them over to the people her family harmed in order to get the success they have that would be a much less empty gesture.

a reply to: Secretrooster

Acknowledge what Africans did. Can you show me the white people who refuse to acknowledge slavery happened? Last I checked it's basically no one that falls in that category so what is the point of your post? What do you think white people need to do to acknowledge what happened?

Why in the world would I say sorry to my neighbor? Were they enslaved? Do you randomly go to people's houses and apologize for Dahmer, just go to your neighbor's house and say I am so sorry for what Dahmer did. Do you do that?

I'm white and I was born in 69. I will not apologize for anything I didn't actually do myself. Period. Get effed.

Also, that particular Jew was white. Most Jews are "white." Jew is not a color, duh.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: Secretrooster
Honestly. Is it that bad for Europeans to apologize for the harm their ancestors caused? And the harm that has continued? I heard no one say “I apologize for being white”. We can’t help the race we are born into. We can try to correct the wrong of our ancestors though.

What wrongs exactly?
The slave trade perhaps? 10s of thousands, possibly even hundreds of thousands of Europeans were snatched by Islamic pirates right up till the 16th century and sold into slavery, I don’t expect any apologies from Arabs.
Or how about the American slave trade, did you know Africans were the ones who sold most of the slaves to Europeans to ship over, or how about the many black and Jewish people who also owned slaves, should all blacks and Jews also engage in self loathing and maybe even a bit of flagellation to appease the PC gods?

Show me a race or culture that hasn’t been #ty to others and then we can talk apologies.

Americans should apologise to any black descendants of slaves who also feel they would be better off in Africa, they can have their apology after they give up their American citizenship and are on a plane back to Africa.

Slavery in all forms is abhorrent but the descendants of slaves alive today are the lucky ones and don’t need any apologies

I never said Europeans are the only ones to do something horrible. That is the topic of this thread so it’s appropriate to mention.

I’m European and Native American and I don’t hate my race. I take pride in both sides and try to appreciate and observe the many different cultures within those two races.

Just because you don’t want an apology from the Arabs doesn’t mean other people feel the same way.

To say, the only way African Americans should get an apology is if they leave and go back to Africa really speaks volumes of your mindset.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Spot on. Wth is wrong with peeps nowadays? We are devolving it seems.

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: AnakinWayneII

originally posted by: Plotus
I will Never appologize for being WHITE, nor will I feel anything but pride for my Race.

Right, I was starting to agree with the first part of your post to an extent.

But the second part? "Pride? Race?

EDIT: By the way, you don't have to be a "bleeding-heart liberal" to decide that there is something iffy with the second part of your post...

Would it be “iffy” if said by a black or Asian person?

Society, or at least a very vocal minority of it, have deemed anything less than self loathing of whites as an expression or racism.
There is nothing wrong with being proud of the accomplishments of your ancestors or race regardless of who they are or what it is

"Proud of the accomplishments of your ancestors"?

What ancestors? They were your ancestors were they? Again, who decides who is "white" and who isn't? "Hispanic"/"Latino",for example, is apparently listed on the US Census and is an actual "term" in the United States. So those folks aren't "white" then?

So, two hundred years in the future, some little black Senegalese lad should be "proud" of Usain Bolt, a Jamaican fella, for once being the world's fastest man? Or a Chinese chap should be "proud" of the rise of Mongolians in history?

Also, at the same time as feeling "pride" for your "race", you must then also feel "shame" and "pity" for "the bad bits". I've just realised that you're almost as bad as she is. She apparently wants people to "apologise" for "the bad bits" and you want people to feel "pride" for "the good bits"?

Seriously...

a reply to: Secretrooster

And if someone wants me to apologize they can go scr*w themselves. They were never slaves. I never enslaved anyone. Stop playing the victim.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Secretrooster

Acknowledge what Africans did. Can you show me the white people who refuse to acknowledge slavery happened? Last I checked it's basically no one that falls in that category so what is the point of your post? What do you think white people need to do to acknowledge what happened?

Why in the world would I say sorry to my neighbor? Were they enslaved? Do you randomly go to people's houses and apologize for Dahmer, just go to your neighbor's house and say I am so sorry for what Dahmer did. Do you do that?

Think of it like this.
My dad kills your dad unjustly. I would feel sympathy and compassion and apologize for what my dad did.

Go back a generation and say it’s my grandpa who killed your grandpa. I would still feel sympathy and compassion.

Back another generation and another and another....
When do we draw the line and lose that sympathy and compassion?

So much for "equality" as they keep categorizing people 😎

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Secretrooster

And if someone wants me to apologize they can go scr*w themselves. They were never slaves. I never enslaved anyone. Stop playing the victim.

If you can’t be mature enough for an adult conversation I’ll just end it here. Have a nice day!

originally posted by: karl 12




How about the good old islamic caliphate Ottoman slave trade - don't forget to teach that one.

Thanks for bringing this up, bud. They just all focus on the most recently awful one (and then have a great big fight about it), but not teach the kids about all the others in history...

a reply to: Secretrooster

Think of it like this. Your great great great great granddad murdered someone. So now you need to apologize to me. My dad did not enslave anyone.

Show me the great great grandchild of someone my great great grandfather enslaved. Hint, my family did not enter America until after slavery was abolished.

Hint, the person you want me to apologize to was not enslaved by a white man, he was enslaved by a black guy and then sold to a white guy.

a reply to: Secretrooster

It's only an adult conversation if people agree with your ridiculous comments?

originally posted by: Secretrooster

originally posted by: IkNOwSTuff

originally posted by: Secretrooster
Honestly. Is it that bad for Europeans to apologize for the harm their ancestors caused? And the harm that has continued? I heard no one say “I apologize for being white”. We can’t help the race we are born into. We can try to correct the wrong of our ancestors though.

What wrongs exactly?
The slave trade perhaps? 10s of thousands, possibly even hundreds of thousands of Europeans were snatched by Islamic pirates right up till the 16th century and sold into slavery, I don’t expect any apologies from Arabs.
Or how about the American slave trade, did you know Africans were the ones who sold most of the slaves to Europeans to ship over, or how about the many black and Jewish people who also owned slaves, should all blacks and Jews also engage in self loathing and maybe even a bit of flagellation to appease the PC gods?

Show me a race or culture that hasn’t been #ty to others and then we can talk apologies.

Americans should apologise to any black descendants of slaves who also feel they would be better off in Africa, they can have their apology after they give up their American citizenship and are on a plane back to Africa.

Slavery in all forms is abhorrent but the descendants of slaves alive today are the lucky ones and don’t need any apologies

I never said Europeans are the only ones to do something horrible. That is the topic of this thread so it’s appropriate to mention.

I’m European and Native American and I don’t hate my race. I take pride in both sides and try to appreciate and observe the many different cultures within those two races.

Just because you don’t want an apology from the Arabs doesn’t mean other people feel the same way.

To say, the only way African Americans should get an apology is if they leave and go back to Africa really speaks volumes of your mindset.

What does it say about my mindset?

Let’s say 500 years ago some rich bugger killed one of my ancestors and by some hypothetical law my ancestors wife was given a fortune in compensation which led to her children becoming great merchants and set my family up as wealthy people all the way to today, should I expect an apology from the descendants of the killer or should I thank the gods of fortune that the historical injustice happened because it gave me the opportunities I have today?

And so it is with the descendants of slaves, if the feel that the historical injustices outweigh the benefits of what they have today then I feel they should be apologised to, compensated and sent back to Africa as a way of trying to balance those injustices.
If however they feel they have it pretty good in the States compared to any shythole in sub-Saharan Africa then they should probably forget the past and focus on the future