Pulled a knife on a guy who tried to light me on fire tonight...

a reply to: Artemis12

I was talking about Grandma.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: Hecate666
a reply to: Boadicea

Exactly, any normal bloke would have punched his lights out at this point, which would have been assault. She merely pointed and said words, and yet the man-boobs on this site find this unacceptable and start insults.


SMH

Yup. And we both know they'd be howling like banshees if it were their girlfriend or mother or sister it happened to. But somehow when a woman is put in a vulnerable and dangerous position by a sex offender, she's in the wrong for protecting herself. I don't know what some people are thinking, but that can behavior escalates quickly and dangerously. Just like it did. He didn't even back off when she did act in her own defense, but became even more aggressive. As if he had some right to enjoy her body. Ugh. Just so freaking creepy.

She did the right thing. It could have been so much worse.

I hope she comes back. She sure didn't need or deserve this crap on ATS. The abuse at the bar wasn't enough. Nope. The misogynists here had to pile on.

Good job, dudes

The guy is a sex offender now...like really. For crying out loud enough already. Why is this woman in a bar and drawing knives on people,why the # are you defending such reckless behavior.

a reply to: Boadicea

If the guy was a violent sex offender, I’d be more on the side of “lop off his hands” than to let it slide.

Based on the limited information we have, however, it seems OP overreacted and the knife was unwarranted. If OP has more information, I might change my tune.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

The guy is a sex offender now...like really. For crying out loud enough already.

He was groping and molesting women inside the bar. He groped and molested the OP. We know he committed sexual offenses. Ergo he is a sex offender.

Why is this woman in a bar...

Excuse me??? Because that's where she wanted to be. This woman and every woman can be wherever the hell they want to be.

...and drawing knives on people.

To protect and defend herself from the SEX OFFENDER who was assaulting her.

why the # are you defending such reckless behavior.

I'm defending a woman protecting and defending herself from a VIOLENT SEX OFFENDER.

Why the # are you defending a VIOLENT SEX OFFENDER???

originally posted by: RandomPerson
a reply to: Boadicea

If the guy was a violent sex offender, I’d be more on the side of “lop off his hands” than to let it slide.

Based on the limited information we have, however, it seems OP overreacted and the knife was unwarranted. If OP has more information, I might change my tune.

Quite frankly, I don't believe you. You do already know. There are more than enough facts to know that he was committing sexual offenses at that bar that night with multiple women, including the OP. You also know that he had absolutely no right to touch her in any way, much less a sexual way, and that the very act of doing so was an assault against her person, and a continued and escalating assault against her person, with him laying on top of her. When she did manage to gain some control, HE ESCALATED the situation with further aggression and attempted violence.

For the same reason we have the right to use lethal force when someone breaks into our home -- because we already know they're up to no good and we can't trust them -- she had the right to use lethal force as soon as he touched her in a sexual manner: Because we know he's up to no good and cannot be trusted. If he'll go that far, he'll go farther. And he did.

So stop pretending like this is anything except what it clearly is: A violent sexual assault that failed because the woman could and did fight back. And good for her!!!

a reply to: XxKonspiracyxX

Bloody hell. No wonder there is so much violence in the world.

Why didn't you just get the attention of the Bar Staff to have him thrown out.

You pulled a knife. What if he had pulled a gun in return?

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: XxKonspiracyxX

Bloody hell. No wonder there is so much violence in the world.

Why didn't you just get the attention of the Bar Staff to have him thrown out.

You pulled a knife. What if he had pulled a gun in return?

Did you even read the OP??? She stated she was outside, and she was trying to get him inside, back to people and bar staff. Sheesh.

A woman was just assaulted and everyone's more concerned about the poor would-be rapist than the trauma this woman just went through. I was wrong about wanting her to come back. This is vile and I hope she stays far far away. She doesn't deserve this and it's downright cruel and sadistic blaming her for protecting and defending herself.

a reply to: Boadicea

Read alldaylong's post above it should set you straight, unless of course it's normal for you where you live to have sex predators hanging out in bars without security.

You can get off your soap box now you have reality to deal with.

a reply to: XxKonspiracyxX

Sounds a little bit like a rough place, no man no matter how drunk he is should ever put his hand's on a lady without her invitation, sorry I may be both from a different culture and a different time in my opinion but he sound's like a real creep.
Being drunk is not an excuse.

Be careful were ever that place is, I wish you worked somewhere a little bit safer but perhaps it has it's good moment's as well.

I am a man myself before any others disagree with me.

Still very good to hear you can stick up for yourself but be careful you never know when you might meet a psychotic and you did the right thing getting to somewhere with more people.

a reply to: Boadicea

That’s just crazy. Your opinion is of course valid.

I just happen to think it’s a bit hysterical, especially considering we have limited information (as I keep pointing out).

As I’ve already said, if there is new information that paints a more accurate picture, my opinion will more accurately reflect that.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: alldaylong
a reply to: XxKonspiracyxX

Bloody hell. No wonder there is so much violence in the world.

Why didn't you just get the attention of the Bar Staff to have him thrown out.

You pulled a knife. What if he had pulled a gun in return?

Did you even read the OP??? She stated she was outside, and she was trying to get him inside, back to people and bar staff. Sheesh.


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So she walked outside the bar willingly with the very same guy she pegged as a sleazebag inside .

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

So she walked outside the bar willingly with the very same guy she pegged as a sleazebag inside .

So you didn't even read the OP... you have no idea what you're talking about... but you are defending a freaking violent sexual assault and blaming the victim?

That is absolutely vile.

originally posted by: RandomPerson
a reply to: Boadicea

That’s just crazy. Your opinion is of course valid.

My opinion? So in your opinion men can freely violate a woman's body? That's your opinion???

I just happen to think it’s a bit hysterical, especially considering we have limited information (as I keep pointing out).

Hysterical, eh? Duly noted. And we have more than enough information. What I'm hearing is that you don't have enough information to make better excuses for the creeper... or to better blame the victim.

As I’ve already said, if there is new information that paints a more accurate picture, my opinion will more accurately reflect that.

And as I've already said, you do have enough information, and you just want to make excuses for the guy. There is absolutely no defense for a man laying his hands on a woman -- a stranger! -- much less to take it further.

It's sexual assault. Period.

a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

You can get off your soap box now you have reality to deal with.

No, thank you. I will say what I want to say and when I want to say it.

Reality is what we make it.

a reply to: Boadicea

*sigh*

No, a man shouldn’t be free to violate a woman. We have no evidence that this was the case, however. Handsy could mean an arm around her shoulders, a hand on her arm, his junk on her forehead. Do you see how that could be taken to mean a number of things? More information is needed to ascertain the level of assault, if there even was an assault.

Dude laid on her could mean he sprawled out on her, laid on top of her, or simply fell on her because he was drunk and uncoordinated. Again, more information is needed to form an accurate response.

You automatically assuming he is some sort of super-sex-predator is going a bit far considering the lack of information, I’d say.

a reply to: XxKonspiracyxX

Buy pepper spray.

The way I grew up, I wouldn't waste the opportunity to look like a hero and impress the girl.

a reply to: Boadicea

Exactly, this was her favourite bar and she was sitting on the back porch OUTSIDE working (writing) on her laptop so she was not actively socialising but since it is her regular place her friend's and acquaintances drink or just hang out there, this night the place was more raucous than usual and this particular man was trying it on with other lady's with no luck so when he spotted her just trying to do her work he then tried to become a bit TOO personal with his hand's even forcing his body onto hers - ALL OF IT UNINVITED so this was pure assault no matter which way you look at it, she said no but he continued so she was left with no choice but to warn him off, he then tried to assault her in a more violent manner with his lighter attempting to burn her so he was not the kind to take no for an answer and must have thought she would frightened which she WAS but she - somehow in a very scary situation - kept a cool head and did not back down which would have given him the advantage and perhaps led to her being attacked by him if he had seen an opening (HE sound's dangerous to me), in short I can not see anything wrong that she did but I can see a hell of a lot wrong with what he did.

Just because a girl is attractive does not give a total stranger the right to touch her up, especially when it is obvious that she is working on a laptop and NOT actively socializing in the bar but has sought out a bit of peace and quite on the back porch of said establishment were the man then found her and tried it on - forcefully.

She acted entirely in self defence and did nothing to lead this creep on and by the way she typed this she is obviously still shaken or even in shock from the experience and close call, it is not any help to her when she has come to this site looking for some support for some idiot to then turn around and try to defend the guy that just molested her when she explained the situation perfectly.

a reply to: LABTECH767

That would be the information needed to ascertain what happened.

Since that is just conjecture, however, we cannot use that to paint an accurate picture.

a reply to: RandomPerson

Oh my Lord! How freaking hard are you going to try to find an excuse for this pervert???

She didn't shank him... she didn't Bobbetize him... she didn't kill the SOB.

She did what she could and had to in order to gain some control of the situation without harming -- or trying to harm -- anyone. She acted reasonably and necessarily against an aggressor.

And he still didn't back off! He became even more aggressive!!!

There is no excuse for this man's vile behavior. And the OP was totally justified in the actions she took. He's lucky that's all she did.

a reply to: RandomPerson

Look been there, kicked seven shades out of a guy that did that to a lady I know some years back and still think I went too leniently on him but I am an old man these days', sorry but you have the wrong end of the stick this young lady has come here for support (which she points out has just happened so she is still shaken) not to have here shocking situation turned against her by people whom were not even there so I am going to go with what she say's happened and not with what other's are trying to read into it later.