Breaking: USS Boxer Destroys Iranian Drone

originally posted by: roadgravel
Iran seems to have a problem understanding boundaries, my space, your space. The US navy is having to instruct them in the matter.

yeah, good point!

Well as far as I can tell the western world would like that particular body of water to be hostility free if at all possible considering the trade that moves through it, but Iran being on the losing end of such trade considering sanctions, wants to up the provocation and hostility in a manner that makes it look like our fault so they can be justified in stopping that trade. By what was reported it appears to be congruent considering we let them even get within 1000ft of a navy vassal.

Then you have the 12 folks and the trade vassal which was captured today. I think that uav was trying to give them a reason to ratchet tensions up. It won't, but I dont think it will stop them from trying. Good thing it was shot down and it was an appropriate response to a nation whos interest would be served by causing conflict in the region. War in that straight would hurt trade pretty bad considering the only other way around involves going around Africa...and this isn't just the US but the western world as a whole.

I truly hope we can find a way to settle down the nation of Iran and their jihadi dark ages thinking before it causes some real issues for folks who are innocent of the whole thing. Somehow though I think war in the region is inevitable. If only there was a way to speak to the people beyond religion...alas to them their backward dark age religion is above all logic and reason...so war it is I think.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

So what...its not in their country and try as they might the places we have bases there are allowed by those who own the land. Get over it! That straight is not their water...only the coast. So they can either understand trade will flow and try to work towards being a part of it or lose it all and lose a war with powers that would utterly crush them further into the dark ages than they already are.

a reply to: RickyD

So if we sent a drone out to check on an Iranian battleship in the Gulf of Mexico (there are international oil trade routes there) then are you saying the Iranian battleship has the right to shoot down our drone? I guess by your logic they do since "so what" the Gulf is not the US's water, only the coast...

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

If it is in international waters and our drone was that close yes...it presents a reasonable threat to all the lives on their ship. Any military would shoot it down. We wouldn't do that though because to "check it out" doesn't require being within 1000ft of it these days...only causing harm/an incident does.

a reply to: RickyD

Hah! "good" "answer"

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

If that was our standard MO then Russia would lose a lot of assets and so would we...Iran is trying to play games with the big boys but is stuck so far in the past they haven't a clue of the rules.

originally posted by: roadgravel
Hey, Iran, send all of your drones out. I bet the US navy has more missiles than you have drones.

CWIS probably took it out rather than a missile.

a reply to: IAMTAT

This will have the anti-Trump crowd quite puckered for a few days because orange man bad and love drone hate.

a reply to: DBCowboy


"Some drone did something...and Orange Man SMASH!"

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: RickyD

So if we sent a drone out to check on an Iranian battleship in the Gulf of Mexico (there are international oil trade routes there) then are you saying the Iranian battleship has the right to shoot down our drone? I guess by your logic they do since "so what" the Gulf is not the US's water, only the coast...

I understand your point, and in a vacuum, I might even agree, if the geopolitical reality were different. I think your statement is really oversimplifying the situation.

I'm even willing to put aside the fact that they shot down one of our UAVs first, because I'm not so naive as to claim the US is sqeaky clean when it comes to spying.

The reality is though, that this has been building for decades. Iran has designs on aquiring nuclear arms. They have stated thier desire to destroy the sovereign nation of Israel. They continually finance terrorism abroad.

Obama tried to diffuse the situation by agreeing to an unenforceable, and unverifiable treaty, and pallets of cash, while simultaneously removing economic sanctions.

Im sure he had good, but not well thought out intentions. The biggest problems with that deal was that he relied trust without verification, and by lifting sanctions, reinstated the cash flow that was financing the aforementioned terrorism.

Along comes Trump, who realizes its a bogus deal (illegal anyway, as treaties of this sort must be ratified by congress), and reinstitutes the sanctions.

At this point Iran, who is suffering from the sanctions, starts threatening enrichment levels that excede what many countries, both regional and worldwide are very uncomfotable with. They also attack, and mine ships in international waters, thereby interfering with free trade through the straight


So you see, it isn't nearly as simple as you are making it out to be.

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: roadgravel
Iran seems to have a problem understanding boundaries, my space, your space. The US navy is having to instruct them in the matter.

yeah, good point!

wish people would stop posting such nonsense sensationalist images that aren't even accurate, most of those bases were either abandoned or turned over to civilian control or iraqi/afghan military control, the few that remain would hardly be useful for an invasion.

the rest outside iraq and afghanistan are there to prevent war between iran and saudi arabia or to protect our smaller allies in the region from iran or saudi arabia invading them or getting other ideas.

originally posted by: namehere

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein

originally posted by: roadgravel
Iran seems to have a problem understanding boundaries, my space, your space. The US navy is having to instruct them in the matter.

yeah, good point!

wish people would stop posting such nonsense sensationalist images that aren't even accurate, most of those bases were either abandoned or turned over to civilian control or iraqi/afghan military control, the few that remain would hardly be useful for an invasion.

Stop trying to confuse ppl with facts and reality.

originally posted by: projectvxn

originally posted by: roadgravel
Hey, Iran, send all of your drones out. I bet the US navy has more missiles than you have drones.

CWIS probably took it out rather than a missile.

Yeah your probably right, 1000 yds is pretty close and in range.

Personally, I think we still owe Iran a good ole fashion ass whooping for the Iran hostage crisis.

a reply to: Mach2

No I was generalizing about this event for sure. And what you say is true...but when it comes to spying and keeping an eye on other countries all the first world nations do it and we all know its being done. We keep at arms reach and only provoke boarders gracefully...(when caught you get escorted out and go along with the escorts) not like how is being done recently. You dont just shoot things on your borders...if we even did violate them...no proof has been shown we did...you escort them out. They on the other,hand,fly a drone within 1000ft of a US naval asset they know full well will defend itself...this is done to provoke as their is no ther explanation for it.

a reply to: RoScoLaz5

That's what happens when a destroyer says you are too close and you don't leave.

originally posted by: MRinder
Personally, I think we still owe Iran a good ole fashion ass whooping for the Iran hostage crisis.

And imagine what we deserve for overthrowing their country to get their oil.

a reply to: EmmanuelGoldstein

Cool. What does that picture have to do with an Iran drone aggressively moving towards a destroyer and refusing to stand down?

originally posted by: RickyD
a reply to: Mach2

No I was generalizing about this event for sure. And what you say is true...but when it comes to spying and keeping an eye on other countries all the first world nations do it and we all know its being done. We keep at arms reach and only provoke boarders gracefully...(when caught you get escorted out and go along with the escorts) not like how is being done recently. You dont just shoot things on your borders...if we even did violate them...no proof has been shown we did...you escort them out. They on the other,hand,fly a drone within 1000ft of a US naval asset they know full well will defend itself...this is done to provoke as their is no ther explanation for it.

Agree completely.

They are trying to provoke, and at some point they will cross a line. Then, we will act swiftly, and decisively. Unfortunately, there will be collateral damage, but as my dad used to say, "thems the breaks".