The Military Has a Warning for Anyone Interested In Raiding Area 51

You guys realize that, even when deadly force is authorized, for a thing like that they would still have to defer to the president. No way the base commander orders 1.3 million citizens shot without Potus' direct authorization.

And I think Trump will tell them not to shoot.

They'll most likely just move all the classified stuff into a secure bunker or something. Shut down. Disassemble any classified planes. Send the scientists home for the week.

The intruders will arrive to find pretty much nothing interesting is going on.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: one4all

Your metaphor is inappropriate. We are not talking about the military inviting these "stormtroopers" (their word, not mine) into Area 51... we are talking about them storming the compound to gain unfettered access. It is not possible to control what they see while they have unfettered access, so there can be no limiting of information as you propose in your garage example. It would be more appropriate to allow someone to break into your garage and ransack anything they could find... including your porn collection and gold doubloons.

you are worried about a real issue and it is this....if the Government shows things to the people they might just figure some dangerous things out...lol...like free energy.

I seriously doubt they have free energy available. If they do, they hide it quite well.

Have you ever heard of the Super-Cavitating Torpedo?

Yes, I have. The principle does not apply to aeronautics. Supercavitation operates by reducing the pressure behind the object to a point where the medium changes from liquid to gas. Aeronautics concerns flight through a medium which is already a gas.

If you want to go farther, space travel involves flight through a medium which is neither gas nor liquid. Space is the absence of matter. The medium a space vehicle would be flying through is not even understood well. What is matter? that which has mass and therefore gravity. What is mass? A property held by matter which induces gravity. What is gravity? The force which causes matter to attract other matter. It's all just a circular definition.

Iran and North Korea are a part of a very large spectrum

You might want to try looking into international politics a bit more if you believe that. Iran, North Korea, Syria, China, and Russia are all very well connected economically and therefore will fight for the same cause.

Any Country in the World that applies its resources can find and master these developing technologies simply because the Suppression went on for so long that people who had critical knowledge began to get old and not fear retribution...

Then where are all these deathbed confessions?

I have a pretty good idea of what some of the research entailed. I discovered it by accident, however, over-analyzing one of Einstein's theoretical foundations. I believe Einstein himself discovered it as well, and purposely skewed his Unified Field Theory so it doesn't work to hide what he had found. I know he was haunted in later life by the fact that his famous E=mc^2 was the basis for one of the most devastating weapons ever used.

This technology equates to free energy....full stop....the only thing the American Government is hiding is free energy just like Russia and China and Britain and others hide it

O... K...

Exactly how does this free energy work?

TheRedneck

If its amature hour anything goes...I didn't set the tone...I felt the metaphors were pretty tame...and correctly illuminated the idea of different layers of intimacy which are related to how we all define the word private...now of course this dynamic still has to be converted into a Governments idea if intimacy and of privacy ...however I felt the metaphors to be accurate explanatory and appropriate...I don't live under a Sensitivity Rainbow where every word in the English language is now a power play...in fact I am in firm support of striking a lot of words FROM the English and other languages...but porn and doubloon are not two of those words.

Had you payed closer attention from the beginning you would know I have been postulating a contrasting reaction by the Government all along....and this deals directly with your commentary on the issue of "stormtroopers"....lol...breaching security and forcing their way in....I in no ways believe that even a significant minority of these people on any level or reality believe they are participating in a criminal action to break into a Federal Military Base....they are all simply going to show support for a wish the People have in such high significant impactfull numbers that their Government can no longer claim it is not a going concern and must accept the level of truism a million people bring to the issue....I believe you fearmonger when you keep passing on the stormtroopers breaking Federal Laws dialog....the picture is not painted that way to all of us fortunately.

Of course there can be a limiting of access if there is a co-operative interaction....some doors are locked and some are not....simple....however if we follow your dialog or interpretation of unfolding potentialities then the stormtroopers will likely use their BBq Forks and Bottle openers to breach every door in the place which is a natural thing for stormtroopers to do I guess.

Yes they can hide things quite well...ever hear of a guy named John Fitzgerald Kennedy?...nuff said because we are now dealing with a more open President who is suffering the aftermath of Americas most sorrowful suppressive Chapter... a President who is in fact slowly turning the Worm ..For The People...Area-51 is a mess made long before the current President was in play....so working with him is only fair and proper.....and methinks this is what people are really trying to do...to give Trump enough support that he can make specific demands for information release.

The principle with a 100% certainty applies to moving through mediums by stimulating an existential contrast....or a Neutral Dimension zone...are you claiming that there is no ways to stimulate/agitate/manipulate air or atmosphere so as to replicate the exact same dynamic we see played out under water?...that's a powerful claim.

I am afraid it is not a circular definition.Ever hear of Les Brown?...to begin with I concur we do NOT have a definite description nor understanding of what space is "officially" but by observation some things are pretty obvious and are clearly parallel to underwater dynamics in many many ways.

Matter is energy compressed by gravity until it forms light which then resonates at specific constant frequencies if stimulated properly....a capsulated statement of course.

The Globe is now connected economically...cant you see the writing on the wall?.....Donald Trump is a smart Leader and he is now simply backing America out of the Spear-Tip position in terms of Global Humanitarian efforts...and its about time some other Countries received a well earned opportunity to espouse their own loyalty to humanity by standing up for the good not the bad in this world...just my opinion of course.Note however that we are now seeing America back in the Rock Throwers position in the Strait Of H...……. others besides America are now in real time Spearheading the effort to stop a tyrant from interrupting world commerce which translates into world stability....Russia-America-Britain-China-India-E.U-
everyone now works together to make Global business possible profitable and progressive...no one wishes to see regressive dynamics.....we are right now in real time a Global Community and this is being proven out by the facts we are seeing in India and Britain and other Countries stepping up to the plate with Iran....I see no reason why Russia and China would not also agree to preserve world commerce and stability.Iran an NK have nothing to offer anyone anymore.

Explaining free energy is probably to distracting but the coles notes version is this....how does quartz crystal energy work?...what is the formula?...from energy in to energy out and everything in between?
Its compressed light /energy...the light is artificially compressed by the replicating of a fundamental quantum constant....the crystal takes light in and then creates a lagtime in the energys path through it...similar in ways to how a planet and a sun work together...with energy exchange being the conduit thru which light is produced light which resonance can control and manipulate....so a crystal is energy in ...energy wound through a maze creating a lagtime ...with release... and energy out......how much energy is held within the crystal can be manipulated as can how much is let out....envelopes can be explored.This is not the only way to get free energy.David Hamels ways are different but easier to understand .

I doubt that "free energy" is ever truly free. It's got to be coming from somewhere.

Even if you could pull it straight out of the vacuum, it would probably turn out you were doing something to the vacuum, which has unforeseen consequences.


But I think the various "free energy" devices I've come across were just different kinds of solar power. (And Solar power truly is free energy for all intents and purposes.) Perhaps harnessing radio waves from the Sun instead of visible light, but still solar in origin.

In a case of a quartz crystal, or any crystal, you must understand that a crystal has "chemical energy of deformation" in its chemical bonds, which can, in theory be released.

It also has a lot of structure, which allows it to be used to reduce entropy of a larger system (at the cost of gradually losing its structure.)

If you are getting "free energy" from a crystal, then you are probably destroying the crystal. And that's where the energy is coming from.

a reply to: one4all

I felt the metaphors were pretty tame...and correctly illuminated the idea of different layers of intimacy which are related to how we all define the word private

I am going by the protesters' own words. When one says they want to "storm Area 51," that is not the same as walking up to the gate and asking to be let in. The very idea of "storming" a facility is to deploy so many individuals at once as to overwhelm the authorities and gain entry by force of numbers. Remember the tag line used: "They can't shoot us all."

If they are planning on politely walking up to the gate and asking for admittance, why would they be concerned about how many of them can be shot?

No, you are purposely misrepresenting what the protesters intend to do... now, whether or not they actually follow through is another issue. I don't think they will. As I write this, I am watching the news on TV about the heat wave that is pounding the East Coast. People are being warned about how debilitating and deadly the heat is outside. Pfft! The expected temperatures are maybe breaking 100 degrees. The desert around Area 51 this time of year can easily hit 110 or even 120 degrees! It is also a "dry heat" compared to the ongoing heat wave. It doesn't hurt as much because perspiration evaporates quickly, but every drop that evaporates uses body fluids. If one is not familiar enough to have sufficient water for such a trek as they are planning, one will become dehydrated within a couple of hours. Dehydration in that climate is deadly.

Here's a tip: there are no 7-11s in the middle of the desert selling bottled water.

More than likely, anyone who does try to "naruto run" past a hail of bullets will instead be rescued by the authorities when they drop and go comatose. Some may die of their own ignorance. I suspect that the advance on the facility will simply dwindle in support once these "naruto runners" realize it's not air-conditioned in the desert, though.

The principle with a 100% certainty applies to moving through mediums by stimulating an existential contrast....or a Neutral Dimension zone...are you claiming that there is no ways to stimulate/agitate/manipulate air or atmosphere so as to replicate the exact same dynamic we see played out under water?...that's a powerful claim.

Yes, I claim that water is a liquid at standard atmospheric pressure and air is a gas at standard atmospheric pressure. I know that sounds far-fetched, but hey! I'm just a research engineer... what do I know?

I am afraid it is not a circular definition.

It is the very definition of a circular definition. There is no definition of the terms "gravity," "matter," or "mass" that does not rely on the other for its definition. That as you demonstrate in your own definition below.

Ever hear of Les Brown?

The motivational speaker? Really? You base your definition on the nature of the Universe on a motivational speaker?

O... K...

Matter is energy compressed by gravity until it forms light which then resonates at specific constant frequencies if stimulated properly....a capsulated statement of course.

So where does the gravity come from to compress the energy before it becomes matter?

The thing is, there are possibly ways to get "zero-point" energy (and I realize that term is not exact nor really even accurate... just more descriptive than "free" energy), but the solutions will not come from a motivational speaker or some unsubstantiated claims that ignore the very tenets of physics. Understand that what you just typed out is nothing more than a techo-speak word salad... nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever in terms of the words you use. Cavitation requires the use of phase change from liquid to gas... that's the definition... so in order to use cavitation based principles to fly through a gas, one would first have to compress the gas into a liquid. That would kill all life on earth. Thankfully, it isn't even close to practical, because we don't have access to sufficient energy to compress the atmosphere to that degree. Maybe on Jupiter there are areas of the atmosphere which are liquid... cavitation might work there. I just don't see the benefit of carrying a vehicle to Jupiter so we can fly around in that atmosphere.

TheRedneck

a reply to: one4all
Also, the super-cavitating torpedo was total bust- its fast, but cant turn without, pardon the pun, bursting its own bubble.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: one4all

I felt the metaphors were pretty tame...and correctly illuminated the idea of different layers of intimacy which are related to how we all define the word private

I am going by the protesters' own words. When one says they want to "storm Area 51," that is not the same as walking up to the gate and asking to be let in. The very idea of "storming" a facility is to deploy so many individuals at once as to overwhelm the authorities and gain entry by force of numbers. Remember the tag line used: "They can't shoot us all."

If they are planning on politely walking up to the gate and asking for admittance, why would they be concerned about how many of them can be shot?

No, you are purposely misrepresenting what the protesters intend to do... now, whether or not they actually follow through is another issue. I don't think they will. As I write this, I am watching the news on TV about the heat wave that is pounding the East Coast. People are being warned about how debilitating and deadly the heat is outside. Pfft! The expected temperatures are maybe breaking 100 degrees. The desert around Area 51 this time of year can easily hit 110 or even 120 degrees! It is also a "dry heat" compared to the ongoing heat wave. It doesn't hurt as much because perspiration evaporates quickly, but every drop that evaporates uses body fluids. If one is not familiar enough to have sufficient water for such a trek as they are planning, one will become dehydrated within a couple of hours. Dehydration in that climate is deadly.

Here's a tip: there are no 7-11s in the middle of the desert selling bottled water.

More than likely, anyone who does try to "naruto run" past a hail of bullets will instead be rescued by the authorities when they drop and go comatose. Some may die of their own ignorance. I suspect that the advance on the facility will simply dwindle in support once these "naruto runners" realize it's not air-conditioned in the desert, though.

The principle with a 100% certainty applies to moving through mediums by stimulating an existential contrast....or a Neutral Dimension zone...are you claiming that there is no ways to stimulate/agitate/manipulate air or atmosphere so as to replicate the exact same dynamic we see played out under water?...that's a powerful claim.

Yes, I claim that water is a liquid at standard atmospheric pressure and air is a gas at standard atmospheric pressure. I know that sounds far-fetched, but hey! I'm just a research engineer... what do I know?

I am afraid it is not a circular definition.

It is the very definition of a circular definition. There is no definition of the terms "gravity," "matter," or "mass" that does not rely on the other for its definition. That as you demonstrate in your own definition below.

Ever hear of Les Brown?

The motivational speaker? Really? You base your definition on the nature of the Universe on a motivational speaker?

O... K...

Matter is energy compressed by gravity until it forms light which then resonates at specific constant frequencies if stimulated properly....a capsulated statement of course.

So where does the gravity come from to compress the energy before it becomes matter?

The thing is, there are possibly ways to get "zero-point" energy (and I realize that term is not exact nor really even accurate... just more descriptive than "free" energy), but the solutions will not come from a motivational speaker or some unsubstantiated claims that ignore the very tenets of physics. Understand that what you just typed out is nothing more than a techo-speak word salad... nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever in terms of the words you use. Cavitation requires the use of phase change from liquid to gas... that's the definition... so in order to use cavitation based principles to fly through a gas, one would first have to compress the gas into a liquid. That would kill all life on earth. Thankfully, it isn't even close to practical, because we don't have access to sufficient energy to compress the atmosphere to that degree. Maybe on Jupiter there are areas of the atmosphere which are liquid... cavitation might work there. I just don't see the benefit of carrying a vehicle to Jupiter so we can fly around in that atmosphere.

TheRedneck

You are missing the critical point....the supercavitating torpedo isn't using only the gas bubbles...its not the gas in the bubbles that facilitates the extra speed...it is the millions of small neutral dimension zones that are being harnessed and utilised....the spaces between the gas bubbles and the water are neutral dimension zones.

When you ionise air what are you effecting , what happens?
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originally posted by: TheRedneck

Matter is energy compressed by gravity until it forms light which then resonates at specific constant frequencies if stimulated properly....a capsulated statement of course.

So where does the gravity come from to compress the energy before it becomes matter?

The thing is, there are possibly ways to get "zero-point" energy (and I realize that term is not exact nor really even accurate... just more descriptive than "free" energy), but the solutions will not come from a motivational speaker or some unsubstantiated claims that ignore the very tenets of physics.

It doesn't ignore the tenets.

You must understand that, if this ever proves to be possible, it will be like how atomic physics lead to the discovery that there was untapped energy available in the atom itself.

You can extract energy from a large atom by splitting it, or from small atoms by fusing them. But there is clearly a price.

It's never truly "free".

If you ever manage to extract untapped zero point energy from the vacuum itself, it will be because you did something that made a change to the vacuum.

Changing the vacuum might not be the safest thing to do.....

Depending on which direction the hoard is coming from, the base is anywhere from 24 to 60 miles across the desert from the nearest road. So lotsa luck. As to the "President declassifying" stuff. He can't declassify industrial secrets held by the contractors using the base for their projects. And even if he ordered Air Force One to land at the base, I'm pretty sure he would be politely told to GTFO.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Zaphod58

Actually, Trump does control access to classified information, and he can snap his fingers and declassify whatever he wants. I would think he's got a lot better sense than to just go around doing so willy-nilly though... I for one am glad certain things are classified instead of being put out in public so we can all start up a new and improved arms race.

Crazily enough, the same people who want to see the fun things that kill inside Area 51 (and thereby start up a new arms race) are the ones who would otherwise lament the present arms race.

TheRedneck

There are places even the US president can't go. Including Area 51.
Do you seriously think the real powers-that-be are gonna let Trump near anything important? Secret bases, red shiny buttons, etc.?

You can see a Video of the attack on area 51!
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a reply to: Frocharocha

Definitely a stupid idea. Defense forces will use heat cannons against any crowds:

a reply to: FosterVS

There are places even the US president can't go. Including Area 51. Do you seriously think the real powers-that-be are gonna let Trump near anything important? Secret bases, red shiny buttons, etc.?

So the one man capable of destroying Earth is not allowed to know what his military is doing? Does Russia and China have a similar policy? Sound like the situation is out of control with this growing insurgency to storm area 51.

In some ways it is good to see the aliens taking control of this situation, hopefully get some better thinking happening.

Guys! There are no aliens at Area 51, if there were then Trump would have built a wall around it by now!

Aliens have been on Earth for a long time, but they are gods. They created us humans on Earth.

And they in the process of upgrading the A10
If you've ever seen one of the bad boys manuver you will know that there aint no place to hide.
Especially in the Open Desert lola reply to: PorteurDeMort