MH370 had 'mysterious' 200-pound load added to flight list after takeoff

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisktheir own pilot deliberately hijacked the airliner and deliberately ran it out of fuel over the Indian Ocean where it crashed.

i don't believe that for a second. MH370 met a far more sinister fate.

originally posted by: research100
a reply to: 35Foxtrot

well actually it was mentioned in the article itself that it was a possibility so not surprising that the thread starter mentioned it..oh and apparently the people in charge have been vague and will not be more clear about was transported on the plane

I can agree with that given the circumstances...makes you wonder why the attempted put-downs when the thread was straight out of the box.
MH370 has a history here of put-downs citing a 'normality' of it's disappearance rather than what it is...a rather extraordinary sequence of events, in anyone's book.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
MH370 had 'mysterious' 200-pound load added to flight list after takeoff: report

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 had a "mysterious" addition to the flight list after takeoff, according to an engineer whose wife and two children were aboard the ill-fated aircraft when it disappeared in 2014.

Ghyslain Wattrelos recently told Le Parisien newspaper that French investigators made the discovery while probing the passengers and baggage reported aboard the airplane.

"It was also learned that a mysterious load of 89 kilos (200 pounds) was added to the flight list after takeoff," Wattrelos told the newspaper. "A container was also overloaded, without anyone knowing why."

This certainly adds a new twist. 200 lbs is the weight of an adult man. This suggests that an armed hijacker was somehow smuggled onboard.

It was gold

a reply to: ARM1968

I was thinking cash, money too...... Payment for delivery to diego garcia..... For whatever reason 😎

a reply to: ressiv

Sending a radio call is step 98 of 100. You deal with the problem and you fly the aircraft. Once those two are under control you worry about talking to someone on the ground. Having a fire erupt either in the window next to you, or along the oxygen line feeding into the cockpit is something you kind of want to deal with first.

a reply to: Catch_a_Fire

There's nowhere to hide a 777 on Diego. It's a small island with barely enough space for the airfield, let alone hangars to put a 777 all the way inside and close the doors.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Thanks for that explanation, Zaph. So they added something after takeoff; so it's an electronic manifest I take it?

a reply to: KansasGirl

There's a hard copy and an electronic copy. The hard copy has general information for the loaders, and tells them what pallets go where in the hold. The electronic copy is kept by the airline and has detailed information.

I'll just leave this here...

What Really Happened to Malaysian Airlines Flight 370

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At 1:52 a.m., half an hour into the diversion, MH370 passed just south of Penang Island, made a wide right turn, and headed northwest up the Strait of Malacca. As the airplane turned, the first officer’s cellphone registered with a tower below. It was a single brief connection, during which no content was transmitted. Eleven minutes later, on the assumption that MH370 was still over the South China Sea, a Malaysia Airlines dispatcher sent a text message instructing the pilots to contact Ho Chi Minh’s air-traffic-control center. The message went unanswered. All through the Strait of Malacca, the airplane continued to be hand-flown. It is presumed that everyone in the cabin was dead by this point. At 2:22 a.m., the Malaysian air-force radar picked up the last blip. The airplane was 230 miles northwest of Penang, heading northwest into the Andaman Sea and flying fast.

Three minutes later, at 2:25, the airplane’s satellite box suddenly returned to life. It is likely that this occurred when the full electrical system was brought back up, and that the airplane was repressurized at the same time. When the satellite box came back on, it sent a log-on request to Inmarsat; the ground station responded, and the first linkup was accomplished. Unbeknownst to anyone in the cockpit, the relevant distance and Doppler values were recorded at the ground station, later allowing the first arc to be established. A few minutes later a dispatcher put in a phone call to the airplane. The satellite box accepted the link, but the call went unanswered. An associated Doppler value showed that the airplane had just made a wide turn to the south. To investigators, the place where this happened became known as the “final major turn.” Its location is crucial to all the efforts that have followed, but it has never quite been pinned down. Indonesian air-defense radar should have shown it, but the radar seems to have been turned off for the night.

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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: ressiv

Actually, best explanation is a cockpit fire causing a depressurization, the pilot trying to find anywhere to put down while dealing with it, and becoming incapacitated.

You know, I've always thought this was the most likely explanation. I remember what happened to pro golfer Payne Stewart. His plane depressurized, and it just flew on unguided across most of the United States. There was talk that the Air Force might need to shoot it down if it flew toward a major urban area, but eventually it crashed in a remote area.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

200lb really isn't that much. It could just be some business class pasangers putting on extra baggage, or the crew bringing contraband through. You often find people from that part of the world trying to bring food with them when they travel, or "girfts" for relatives.

It could equally be regular cargo put on at the last minute. Passanger planes commonly run cargo. It's a good way for airlines to make extra money.

Has a hijacker ever actually been confirmed to have entered a plane through the cargo hold? Is it even possible in this class of plane?

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

That's my most likely answer, too. But the airline and the plan manufacturer will deny it because a hijacker is less harmful to them financially than a mechanical problem.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

There were several 777s built next to each other on the line that had a fairly minor mechanical issue that could result in a fire igniting the oxygen supply to the right side of the cockpit. One of the hull losses prior to this flight was a result of a cockpit fire at the gate that burned through the side of the hull.

There was also an issue with some windscreen heater units that, under certain conditions, would start a fire in the windscreen panel.

originally posted by: AaarghZombies
a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

That's my most likely answer, too. But the airline and the plan manufacturer will deny it because a hijacker is less harmful to them financially than a mechanical problem.

It definitely seems to me that they always try to blame the pilot.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Well, on this one they'd be right!



Research the "last major turn"; you'll see.

I've been saying it since the beginning. There's no other way to explain that turn. Just no other way.

ETA - And, when you add in the fact that the transponder switched off just 5 seconds after crossing into Vietnamese airspace there can be no other conclusion, no other explanation.

AND, if that all wasn't enough, the Malaysians KNEW MH 370 crossed back across the Malaysian peninsula that morning, they knew it! Yet the never told anyone. WHY?? They knew it, and they let rescuers search endlessly in the WRONG fooking OCEAN for cripes sakes! This should tell you more than any black box ever will. They let them search in the wrong ocean not for minutes, not for hours...but for DAYS!! Six days to be exact. Six DAYS in the wrong ocean...WHY?? Why, because every minute which ticked off the clock, every hour and every day reduced the chances of finding surface wreckage...that's why! They just could not allow the world to see one of their own had hijacked one of their national airliners and flown it on a suicide mission out over the Indian Ocean. Just couldn't have it, their pride and egos would simply not allow this to be discovered. So the search for surface wreckage in the Indian Ocean didn't start for nearly a week after MH370 had disappeared!!!! With no surface wreckage there could be no precise location of the crash, and with no precise location of the crash the likelihood of finding the black boxes dropped to near zero . They knew this! The Malaysians knew it.

And then there's the "turn". Zahare knew he could probably catch his fellow countrymen in the Air Force asleep at the switch over Malaysia, but he also knew he wouldn't be so lucky if he tried to overfly Indonesia. This explains two turns, the turn off the coast of Penang to the NW, which took him up the Straight of Malacca, and then finally the "last major turn" to the south after he passed Indonesia.

The Malaysian Air Force had watched him on radar for an hour and twenty one minutes. They had watched him fly back across the peninsula, they had watched him turn right off Penang and they watched him fly up the Straight of Malacca. They eventually lost MH 370 when it flew out of range. The Malaysians watched MH370, they knew it was MH370, and they never reported it was MH370. Now, this might be understandable IF nothing had happened, BUT the minute it was known that a major airliner with 239 people on board had disappeared (likely forever) it is unimaginable to attempt to understand why this information wasn't reported to authorities. Furthermore, certainly after maximum flying time had elapsed and the plane hadn't shown up anywhere, it just defies comprehension why authorities would not be alerted. But they said nothing. For days, they said nothing. In fact, the Malaysians didn't acknowledge this fact until over a week after the crash, and then they only begrudgingly admitted it after media stories started circulating about the satellite data. Why?? There had to be a motive. And, there can be only one conclusion drawn from this; Malaysia didn't want the world to know that one of its planes had gone astray and had likely been hijacked by at least one of the crew. They knew investigators would eventually figure it out, but they weren't going to be the ones to tell them unless forced to do so.

It shows clear intent. Malaysia knows what happened to MH370. Oh, they know! Why else would they have conducted themselves like they did??? They know.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
200 lbs is the weight of an adult man. This suggests that an armed hijacker was somehow smuggled onboard.

It actually doesn't suggest that at all. I think the phrase you were looking for was "it's possible." There's no indication of that. It's possible it was 200 pounds of dog crap. It's possible it was a million different things.

originally posted by: face23785

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
200 lbs is the weight of an adult man. This suggests that an armed hijacker was somehow smuggled onboard.

It actually doesn't suggest that at all. I think the phrase you were looking for was "it's possible." There's no indication of that. It's possible it was 200 pounds of dog crap. It's possible it was a million different things.

Malaysia would award a medal to anyone who advances this theory and gets any traction with it!! They could live happily ever after in a palace right between the King's palace and the Prime Minister's!

I think it was a late update to the manifest as the optimum words here was"after take off".
When those wheels have left the floor (that's after take off) there is absolutely NOTHING that's put on the plane concerning weight. In fact as the plane fly's it gets lighter with the use up of fuel.