Right, that is quite enough, stop all this nonsense. Jesus supports homosexuals in Scripture.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

So you show no real evidence to what you claim but instead you think "he just said it in a subtle way," and then you went ahead to make your own decision as to what he meant.

Here is the truth. Only God has a right to judge and decide what is right and what isn't. Meanwhile it is true that there are people whom explicitly condemn homosexuals, or others for x reason and that isn't right. Nowhere in scripture does it say God is okay with your claims.

Look at Sodom and Gomorrah, why did God choose to destroy those places? It wasn't just homosexual sex, there was bestiality, pedophilia, etc, etc. At one point even the people there wanted to gang rape the two angels, that went to Sodom, as the males of Sodom went to Lot's house and demanded to see the two men, who were angels, and told Lot they wanted to "know the two men."

BTW, Jesus/God did say that as long as people repented they will be saved from their sins. There are many sins, if people repent for those sins and decide on their own volition not to continue to partake in sin, for example having sex outside of marriage, no matter the sin those people will be forgiven and will be saved.

There is more to the world and more so the spiritual world than sex, sexual orientation, etc, etc. What's more, what has this gotten us into? Now we have the LGBT etc, etc, etc movement forcing women, even women and children whom have been raped by the opposite sex, to have to be with their "biological opposite sex" in the restroom, in the locker rooms, etc, etc. You have depraved people of all sexual orientations taking advantage of this to simply satisfy their depraved ways. You think that is right and just? And if you think the worse sin has to do with sex or sexual orientation you are in for a rude awakening. The wanton murder of the unborn and newborns is even more depraved and worse than any other sin. Yet in today's world this is "just and right..."

The Gospel invites everyone who hears it to become a new creature/creation...
...so all human fleshly orientations are superseded.

"...if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." (2Co 5:17)

Jesus was gay, ever see him banging a women?

exactly

originally posted by: Myollinir
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

A eunuch is almost the exact opposite of popular culture homosexuals. Eunuchs cannot have sex, whereas trend homosexuals are very promiscuous. Sex feels good, they love it, I can't blame them for how they feel.

But using this scripture in the light you did is twisting the hell out of it. I don't believe scripture either, just for the record.

I understand you're trying to reach out and give light towards what is against the grain of most christian morals.. and it's a good effort. But you just fell into the same trap the opposite side does to push against.

Plus Paul explicitly states homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of god - and most Christians believe that Jesus is speaking through Paul's words in the New Testament... soo.... sorry ....

1 Cor 6:9-10 :
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.


These lines fall snugly into place with the eunuch scripture you provided - which is the opposite of the "sexually immoral"


I'd say - if you are a homosexual, and you are dedicated to one partner, then you are not sexually immoral. BUT if you are promiscuous and you are honest to the other people you are having sex with - that is probably not immoral either as long as you don't go home at night and drink yourself stupid because you're depressed you just bang everyone in the planet... THAT would make you immoral, because you yourself feel it's immoral.

You just contradicted the words of Paul to the Corinthians by inserting a different interpretation based on “ feeling” and the moral relativism of secular/religious humanism. A false teaching can be a half-truth.
That being said, Jesus brought the mercy of the law and forgiveness of sin, not the overlooking or justification of sin.

Of course, He is referring to those men who (perfectly naturally) DO NOT possess a desire for consummation of the sexual union with a woman. We must all understand that - as 'Game of Thrones' made us widely aware - the Eunuchs of royal service would more likely develop an effeminate manner & a desire for contact of a sexual nature with men,

Interpreting the Bible by the Game of Thrones? While you made several unfounded assertions in your post, this one takes the cake. You have disqualified your post from serious consideration. Your points are cherry picked, and you ignore other sections of scripture that clearly indicate God's complete abhorrence for any sexual practice that is outside of one man and one woman in a marriage. Period.

The "Jesus did not say it was bad so it is ok" argument ignores the fact that the one who inspired the whole of the Old Testament, is Jesus. The one who inspired the whole of the New Testament which came years after Christ, is Jesus. The truth, whether spoken by Paul, or Moses, or Abraham, or Daniel, or the burning bush, is the Revelation of Jesus Christ, Sent by the Father, through the Holy Spirit.

You're whole post boils down to "Did God really say." I think we all know which spirit that is from.

Seriously - After enough humans had populated the planet, being gay or lesbian was OK. The earlier restrictions were for purely biological reasons...species growth. They had nothing to do with "morality".

a reply to: carewemust

That's an interesting thought. Strange also that it seemingly occurs at random in nature too - not so much a choice' as a natural condition for which there can be no penalty if hedonism & debauchery or perversion aren't present, just as with heterosexual people too?

In conclusion:

I knew I'd be slammed by writing this post, and the only reason I haven't responded to most of the criticism is because it's all rote colour-by-numbers theology. We've all heard it all before. Why is there no originality of thought to this greatest of conundrums? Why would God punish men & women who through no fault of their own had emotional & sexual attraction towards other members of the same sex? If it occurs naturally - which it does, without even a shade of a doubt - then why is it condemned? God is not a merciless tyrant (though there have been plenty of accusations of that in this thread too).

God is compassionate, loving, infinitely tolerant & caring, and the only sin which He cannot tolerate is injustice & oppression, against the poor & the needy, by the rich & powerful, . READ THE OLD TESTAMENT CAREFULLY. What you find, if you read between the lines & aggregate the messages which percolate through the entire set of material, is that God is the friend of the poor, the needy, the weak, the destitute, the oppressed, the afflicted, the tormented & the abused. All of these are called first into the Kingdom. The rich, powerful oppressors were also called, but they were not willing to give up their wealth & power, or to repent of their evil deeds - and so they came under the wrath of God for their crimes, for their insistence on doing wrong DESPITE KNOWING THEY WERE DOING WRONG, WILFULLY.

I used to find it very hard to deal with the Old Testament especially, as much of the language is centred around judgment of the enemies of God or of the righteous who are the focus of the writings. I found that the harsh proclamations against the enemies of David in the Psalms, for example, were disturbing & worrying. I found though that in reality, those proclamations were levied against the most abusive of the wicked souls of the Earth. And there's a lot of wickedness in the world, It is not the case that God is unjust - His justice is perfect. But as an exampe - if I believe myself to be righteous, according to God's standard (which is as a new creation in Christ, with His righteousness being my own by adoption - that doesn't give me the right to make proclamations against humble, kinds & contributing members of society who happen to feel differently in their emotional-sexual mindset, if that is a case of finding comfort in the arms of one person to whom they are ccommitted. What of those against whom you are speaking? Did Christ not die for them, giving them right standing through faith which is a gift of grace, and not of themselves? If I, as a new creation, continue to struggle with actual sin, I know that Christ is my righteousness, But if a monogamous relationship between two people who love each other & love God is so downright sinful, what on Earth did Jesus die for? Surely He died so that what is broken on the Earth might be fixed? And in His time, in His way, without interference or persecution by us. And the whole 'go & sin no more' was directed at a woman who sold her body for money, instead of finding other work which was less wildly hedonistic & spiritually damaging.

One of the first converts to Christianity was the Eunuch from Ethiopia whom Phillip went to when the Holy Spirit led him there - the Eunuch was trying to understand what was intended by certain passages from the revered word of God - he was seeking instruction for his own life! Is this not another clue, that perhaps these people who were certainly effeminate - by nature due to the interference of man in this case - that they are welcome in the assembly of the people of God? Wake up church! It's like you're setting yourselves up!

Let the people be as they are, under the grace & mercy of God, with all reverence & holiness as much as they can muster, seeking individual leading & guidance, just the same as the rest of us. Until we accept these people in large numbers into our congregations, we will never truly know the full mission of God towards them, how they might fit ito His mighty plans, how their hearts are searched & measured by the Lord, and not based on the exterior judgment of humans.

He speaks to all of us personally about our faults & our need of certain changes in our lives. But we wait for Him to speak into our hearts, and we don't just repeat by rote the same teachings that have been passed down which are outmoded by current scientific understanding, by modern treatises on ethics & sociology, or regarding biology, genetics, neuro-chemistry, psychiatry/psychology, and so on. We are judging the exterior, all of which will be tossed aside when the new Heaven & new Earth are provisioned by God. All of that which went before will be gone, and we will be clothed in eternal & gloriously pure & holy raimant, as beloved children & heirs of the promise.

The Holy Spirit leads us into all Truth. Truth is not provided all in one fell swoop. The scripture provides the start point & the basic ethical framework for our lives on Earth - but the Holy Spirit leads us into all truth, and only when we have love for our fellow humans of all sorts, assuming they hold to basic ethical & moral positions of conscience, only then can God show us the full truth of who we all are in relation to each other, what is expected of us is most definitely more than the inane position that they are not welcome at the foot of the cross!!! Because of some splinter which we can see in their eye, while the plank of hypocrisy is sticking out of our own eye?! Surely you get that, surely you see? We are not to judge, we are to love & have fellowship with each other, in reverence & humility, in goodness & noble deed upon noble deed.

May God shine His light onto this situation so that we all know what His will is in this complex biological/genetic/psychological/sociological quandry. First, love God with all your heart, and obey the commandments. Second, do no harm to anyone except in the line of duty in times of war, for example. Third, pray for grace & mercy each day, for forgiveness of sin & the strength to walk in the ancient way. May we always remember that all are welcome at the foot of the cross, and that our salvation is to be worked out in fear & trembling, not in bold proclamations against other sinners, as though we had any rights whatsoever to boast in our righteousness except in the glorious work of redemption for all, when we glory in God, and not in ourselves.

Thanks.

edit on JulySaturday1917CDT06America/Chicago-050046 by FlyInTheOintment because: spelling

originally posted by: Theyy
Jesus was gay, ever see him banging a women?

exactly

SMFH

Education is fundamental folks.

a reply to: BoscoMoney

I don't know if you're being ironic, but seriously, that's the level of discussion you want to roll with? And in case you hadn't heard, there's a strong theory suggesting that Jesus had at least an emotional relationship with Mary Magdalene which went beyond mere friendship. But it is & will remain a theory, because that mystery was for Hiim alone.

The Bible was written by Jesus? I thought Moses wrote the damn thing.

Is Jesus Moses reincarnated? Should I start a new denomination with this personal idea? How long does cult status typically last before my made up idea is accepted as an legitimate interpretation of reality?