Bigfoot: New HD enhancement of the Patterson-Gimlin footage.

a reply to: one4all

My brother has an "area" he frequents nearby, and while I don't think he's had an actual sighting, he does leave treats and trinkets in a few spots for the "big brother of the forest". Part of me is skeptical, and part of me always has the "you never know" attitude. (central Utah).

One of these days I'll have to go out with him a few times myself for some first hand experience.

a reply to: Deetermined

Five days later, a second newspaper story reported that his "lawyer's office has been inundated with calls from media outlets. ... 'We're just sort of waiting for the dust to settle,' he said, explaining he and his client are evaluating offers.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
A reply to one4all...

If you really are this involved with toying with Bigfoot's (plural Bigfeet???) then why haven't you set up a trailcam by now?

If they really are taking the fish etc. that you leave out for them, then that's the spot right there for a hidden camera.!?!?!?!!

Get on it !!!!

They seem to be too smart for that. Also why would you want to show proof so everyone would flood the are trying for a trophy?

Did you really just ask me why would the OP want to provide irrefutable proof of a living breathing Bigfoot?!?!!??

originally posted by: face23785

Does anyone believe garbage like this?

Apparently many do believe that something is on this Earth that is Bipedal, hairy and has creative intelligence (and no... I'm not talking about a human). One man's garbage is another man's riches.


I was one of those that didn't believe, even after hunting, fishing and mining and finding clues like large 17"x8" footprints, putrid smells, hair, whistling sounds, wood/tree knocks, rocks being thrown, food disappearing, unknown feelings, etc., I still refused to believe because I was sure that someone (human) was just having fun with me, even though I was in very rural wilderness areas, miles away from the nearest roads. I couldn't believe it was a Bigfoot.

Even after hearing private stories by my fellow rockhounds/miners that you could visually tell had an Life-shaking affect on these people (even still today) as they told me these tales. These were large burly wilderness men (some ex-military, some ex-forestry) that do not get scared or frightened easily. You could hear it in there voice as they would relate to me their story, they were afraid of something, and apparently so were their hunting dogs. But not me... I'm not a Sasquatch believer.

Even after myself hearing what sounded like a fast-speaking conversation/argument by two very guttural Samurai-speaking creatures that had mixed in English words, I still had trouble wrapping my head around that this was anything more than someone playing a prank on me regardless of the fact that I was miles away from the nearest logging road.

Even after hearing a crashing sound of what sounded like tree-branches exploding/breaking and then having a large 50+ pound boulder thrown towards me from Lord knows where from the treeline some 30 feet away. And then later that night 'something' going into the rushing water where my 200+lb pontoon-ed floating dredge was lifted up and flipped over upside down (the river was rough and fast but it could not have done that with it being secured in all four quadrants with rope. Both my mining partner and I couldn't believe that this would be done by some large hairy ape-like creature.

There were also these other factors that don't fall into any category other than perhaps weird/strange/paranormal/unknown. Things that to this day make absolutely no sense at all to me or a few other investigators I shared them with. But a BigFoot,,,, come on, quit pulling my leg..... there has to a logical explanation for all of this hijinx.

Now I'm no longer on the fence. I now believe that something (like what is featured in the Patterson/Gimlin film) does exist. I don't know what it/he/she is.... But I believe something does exist. Is it Bigfoot? Heck if I know what to call it but there's something out there that as been documented/reported or written about in almost every region of the Earth.

So to answer your query about an anecdotal account "Does anyone believe garbage like this? ". Well yes some do, and I'm one of those that are not so quick to dismiss such events, and my thoughts are solely based on my own experiences and investigations that there "is something" out there.


Johnny

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
A reply to one4all...

If you really are this involved with toying with Bigfoot's (plural Bigfeet???) then why haven't you set up a trailcam by now?

If they really are taking the fish etc. that you leave out for them, then that's the spot right there for a hidden camera.!?!?!?!!

Get on it !!!!

They seem to be too smart for that. Also why would you want to show proof so everyone would flood the are trying for a trophy?

Did you really just ask me why would the OP want to provide irrefutable proof of a living breathing Bigfoot?!?!!??

Well I can say I would not do it. If I saw him and he was in an area I would not tell. he would be harassed the whole area would be overrun with killing kooks and trophy hunters would travel from the ends of the earth if i had good evidence he real.

a reply to: Kurokage

I'm a believer (wasn't always the case) but I will call BS when i see it.

I have always wanted to believe this famous video and when it was first enhanced and the camera motion was finally fixed I started to believe some more.

NOW, after watching this video closely I am 100% convinced it is a fake for one sole reason.

Take a look at the CREASE at the hip/thigh! I NEVER NOTICED THIS BEFORE! Completely looks like an effect caused by wearing an over-sized costume!!!!

Looks more apparent in the video. (look at arrow)

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
Well I can say I would not do it. If I saw him and he was in an area I would not tell. he would be harassed the whole area would be overrun with killing kooks and trophy hunters would travel from the ends of the earth if i had good evidence he real.

Watching / listening to people who have had a real Bigfoot encounter, this seems to be a common theme, and another very good reason why solid proof has yet to be presented to the world. In addition to the mind bending a lot of people go through -- including dealing with not only the fright but also with the idea that something so obviously unreal is in fact real and dangerous -- many say that they feel sympathy for the creatures and don't want to see them hurt or killed our run out of their habitats. Many feel that even though these Bigfoots are obviously not human, they're human enough to make it feel like you're hurting or killing a person, and not just an animal. Combine that with the logistics of being in a relatively isolated area with creatures three or four times your size, and you can maybe see why the evidence stays hidden.

How well do you know the wilderness areas near where you live? Most people don't even know about the wildlife that wanders around their backyards at night.

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

I have heard that Samurai sounding language these things do and it scares the heck out of people.

It's the most amazing thing I have ever heard in my life to put it bluntly.

originally posted by: NoCorruptionAllowed
a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

I have heard that Samurai sounding language these things do and it scares the heck out of people.

It's the most amazing thing I have ever heard in my life to put it bluntly.

Until someone does hear it for themselves, very few will understand (or believe) the fast-chattering talk for what it might be, which I believe to be an actual language that isn't just gibberish. If indeed Sasquatch does exist, the species would likely have developed its own system of communication, (just as chimps and some monkeys have).

A Navy Linguist named R. Scott Nelson wasn't a believer until he heard some recorded conversations (by Ronald Morehead and company captured between 1972-1975) of the 'supposed' animal in question. Mr. Nelson believes that he has been able to crack the linguistics. (Sasquatch Phonetic Alphabet (SPA)).


A interesting sidenote is that the guttural conversation I heard by the two 'entities' (which I believe was an argument between a male and a female) happened within a 50 mile radius of where Ron Morehead and Alan Berry (allegedly) recorded their audio from.

For me, this Hairy Bipedal 'something or another' is more fascinating than the duck-billed Platypus, which is a semiaquatic egg-laying mammal in Australia. And they are a weird combination of animal-features that were considered mythical and non-existent for years. For those unfamiliar, watch the below video

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
A reply to one4all...

If you really are this involved with toying with Bigfoot's (plural Bigfeet???) then why haven't you set up a trailcam by now?

If they really are taking the fish etc. that you leave out for them, then that's the spot right there for a hidden camera.!?!?!?!!

Get on it !!!!

Someone else has been using plastic zip ties for I assume game cams in the areas I frequent already...I am not interested in beating the drum and even listening to the detractors...I went to see for myself and I immediately found much much more than I ever expected including returned whoops and woodknocks as well as clear footprints.

But honestly once you get tuned in its EVERYTHING THEY DO THAT MOST IMPRESSES YOU...I mean they build perches and they have hidden secret observation areas.

There have I believe been special forces brought into my area already in the past to deal with BF.....covered up as "bear" threats.

I don't have game cams and I don't have the money to buy them...and really I don't need them and neither do you…. the stark reality contrary to what the fence-sitting idiots chirp off about is that these things are literally everywhere...they follow Ravines and River Valleys and they follow food sources/zones...if there aren't any in a River Valley or deep old Ravine system near you right now then the olde signs of others will definitely be all around....I haven't found a place yet without sign.

I know people say hidden cameras and to be frank I see zip ties on trees and I imagine people think that will do... these guys are SMART...and they recognise patterns...never mind they place sticks and trees in places on purpose as trip wires for their eyes...if you move those sticks they know you have been there...you would have to hide your game cam really well and it had better be absolutely silent or have a telephoto lens and long distance action...with scent cover adequate enough to fool them....I can notice their stick work easily now because it clearly breaks natural patterns...they see this as well....they see breaks in natural patterns and hjeed them.Woodknocks and Rock clapping are also intentional breaks in natural patterns as are whoops.

I have considered cameras in the past even putting them inside tree trunks and other complicated ideas...but logistically its not as easy as it sounds and these are very very smart Creatures.

I think the best chances for photos come from chasing one down or from long distance tripped telephoto lens closeup style pictures....I don't think close range game cams will ever work.....its likely way easier to track them by sound.

a reply to: Kurokage
Oh ya shes a really dainty thing, a few shy pounds under 400 I would say.

But it was clear in the 1940s that film and footage is proof of nothing.

As for the bigfoot hunters?

a reply to: one4all
Dude what is up with you. Your either trolling, or if your not, you got to quit playing games with bigfoot in the woods.

It will not go well, not like in the beef jerky commercial. And no matter how many signs you think you see, you would be like a walking talking gong going off every few second compared to them, and well going by your obvious failings in the MMA thread to see the signs for an obvious knee to the face.

Even if your not trolling, your missing so much and way more then your seeing.

YA! Dont feed the animals, it the wild, you should know that. Dont they have signs out, pretty sure they do.

But I suppose a few beef jerky here and there cant hurt. But I would not be messing with Sasquatch if I were you.

a reply to: Deetermined

So, you are or are not familiar with...
Bob Heironimus
From the video confession I saw, Bob was expecting to get paid $1,000 and they never delivered.

Yeah, but like I said earlier, since the Patterson-Gimlin footage came to light, there have been a few people who have come forward claiming to have been the "creature", and if that were true there would be a handful of "Patty's" in the video and not just one.
Having never been to the U.S. and never having the experience of a sighting of a sasquatch/bigfoot, I'm not really in a position to say much other than what I believe.
I'm still on the fence, there are some stories that do seem to have an element of truth to them that makes it hard to just dismiss them off hand but with so many hoaxes and no "real" proof, for now it's just an interesting, and intriguing story to me.

a reply to: JohnnyAnonymous

Thanks for adding some interesting anecdotes to this discussion.
Lots of people seem to forget that us Homo-sapien sapiens existed along side other bipedal apes for quite a long time, did some or even one other species survive? The amount of stories and history of a bigfoot type creature makes a person wonder.

originally posted by: galadofwarthethird
a reply to: one4all
Dude what is up with you. Your either trolling, or if your not, you got to quit playing games with bigfoot in the woods.

It will not go well, not like in the beef jerky commercial. And no matter how many signs you think you see, you would be like a walking talking gong going off every few second compared to them, and well going by your obvious failings in the MMA thread to see the signs for an obvious knee to the face.

Even if your not trolling, your missing so much and way more then your seeing.

YA! Dont feed the animals, it the wild, you should know that. Dont they have signs out, pretty sure they do.

But I suppose a few beef jerky here and there cant hurt. But I would not be messing with Sasquatch if I were you.

Twas his Temple that was GRAZED by the knee,he was flying by the seat of his pants and it was more of a follow thru than a clean knee. .The devil is in the details.Lol...lol..however a nice POV photoshop job of him landing the grazing shot on Bigfoot would look awesome!!

There are a LOT OF PEOPLE using the park trails.I talk with a Park Ranger all the time about this topic,yes there is a lot they see reported that is fishy and they cannot explain away.We spend a wee bit of time mapping hotspots and he tips me off to odd things they note so in return I tip him off to where the Asians are illegaly harvesting Chaga Mushrooms and other edible and medicinal items that are not supposed to be harvested from certain areas of the Parks system.Bigfoot doesn't have a chance competing with the Asians for food.

I know how they sign their dens and I know how they sign their hiding observation spots...I know how they gate their feeding areas and I THINK I know what the males do to show off or when they are in rut or whatever spring fever is to them....they SHRED BIG TREES LIKE A FREAKING WOODCHIPPER AND IT LOOKS LIKE THE TREES HAVE EXPLODED.

I used to live on a Farm an I hunted and hiked all the time alone sometimes for a few days around my area which was a River Valley System.Once when new Farms were being carved into the landscape because very old Pioneer aged people were passing and their land was being re-purposed and everything was being upset and ripped up by Bulldozers ect....I nearly became BF fresh meat....I was so close to getting picked off of a field that bordered a treeline I was beginning to have prey reactions which I recognised as a Hunter myself and this caused me to suddenly out of the blue BOLT across that field back to safety and away from that treeline.This was a place I had been going to for years and was very familiar with.Every other day bit this day that was MY TREELINE and I had nailed more than one buck in that same area over the years but that day I was nothing more than a meal and I KNEW IT..

Its a tricky situation because we are a major city right in a major urban river valley....its their highway...they have been coming here a very very long time....I worry that someone else might do something to piss them off more than I worry about being predated upon in this particular area....my bad experience came out of the area I am in now in a more rural area that is more of a farming zone...

You advice to heed the beasts is bang on....10inch+ trees snapped off @ about 6-7 feet off the ground....snapped like kindeling...massive 20ft trees intricately placed....show-off areas that look like a woodchipper was helicoptered in and cut loose....

I am in the process of digging around a massive boulder in their area...I am wanting them to help me move it....for 2 years I have been chipping away at digging around it to unearth and dislodge it....the point is clear now but no help yet....lol...its gotta be at least 1000 lbs....I am going to dig underneath it and start putting special things in the hole to see if it encourages them to look further under and flip the rock for me.

People have been gifting in my area a LOT....and they don't understand why it is so bad....its the little buggers that you do not want to make friends with...you have to let their parents teach them to stay the hell away from us at all times but the little ones are super curious...I am talking about heaping plates of mackeral and pepperoni.....you see a lot of people with intimate knowledge just dont tell anyone and keep it a secret...no one will believe you anyways....it takes more than pictures of footprints to convince people....I personally take my Family on hikes where we visit homeless camps which exist along our River Valley Trails so they can learn what a homeless persons living area looks like....yes the hidden ones....its important to understand what homeless people do in the forest so you can differentiate between their messes and BFs activities...the first excuse most people throw out there to refute evidence is that its homeless people....lol...lol..lol..as I said I am friends with a Park Ranger and there are almost zero similarities between a homeless camp and a BF high activity zone......to an individual everyone has been shocked and spooked once I walk them through the heavy activity zones....these are very old forest zones with literally tons of BF signs of differing ages.

My city is as crooked as they come..I have seen them come in and destroy BF habitats that are in use....I have seen them targeting specific zones and developing them...they know it drives the BF out when they do this.....this is always a concern to me....one wants to know when one could be dealing with an upset BF...even a little upset....I can see the situation is being overwatched...they know very well what they are dealing with.

Right now I am very concerned because some critical fish spawning grounds that BF really does count on early in the season are being systematically restructured close by to bring volumes of people up close and into the specific area....this will drive them away from a major food source for them....fed BF are happy BF....

I never UNDERESTIMATE HOW SMART THEY ARE....there is a sign in the parking lot of a major Park I go to to research...a very populated area...and I will be dammned if almost every time I go there something is hung up on this sign that happens to be a very very tall sign well over 6 feet high...keys...whistles...sunglasses...everything but the dam cell phone I lost chasing them down ...lol...lol..so its clear that they KNOW people come back to look for things and to keep us out they simply hang things on a tall sign in the parking lot...I am tempted to put a game cam in a garbage can that is metal because they are so used to them being all around....they are way to observant to not see Game Cams in their forest zones but on the fringes where things like steel drum garbage cans are always there and are a part of the long term landscape you might be able to fool them.

I am HUGE FAN of a BF roundup....getting a few thousand people to go to a hot spot at the right time of the year and flushing them out while a group of MANY people operates drones overhead....they use river valley systems and creekbeds to travel they are extremely predictable...and they are after all animals...they will react in most cases as expected.

They like cats and horses....they don't eat the cats...they like them...smelling like cat brings them close..a horse scent I would avoid...lol.

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge

originally posted by: SeaWorthy

originally posted by: SecretKnowledge
A reply to one4all...

If you really are this involved with toying with Bigfoot's (plural Bigfeet???) then why haven't you set up a trailcam by now?

If they really are taking the fish etc. that you leave out for them, then that's the spot right there for a hidden camera.!?!?!?!!

Get on it !!!!

They seem to be too smart for that. Also why would you want to show proof so everyone would flood the are trying for a trophy?

Did you really just ask me why would the OP want to provide irrefutable proof of a living breathing Bigfoot?!?!!??

People are definitely studying them in my area...game Cams and gifting....gifting food and sugar is not so good but you cannot stop people...Urban BF have acess to garbage cans anyways so can get basically anything they want....pet food...pets...fruit trees and gardens...there is an endless supply of foods if they want them and year round.

Not to worry about Trophies...if you even set foot in this River Valley System with a gun the local [police would cap your arse in no time they are trigger happy and worse than American cops as far as murder by cop goes...way more corrupt and crooked....Canada can be a real cess-pool....way behind Trumps NewAmerica in terms of cleaning up the corruption and graft .

The local authorities have a protocal in place IMHO....a seek and destroy one if and when any BF GO ROGUE.

I DONT THINK THEY PROACTIVELY SEEK THEM OUT TO KILL THEM IN THESE SPECIFIC AREAS.....just drive them to the outskirts by making it attractive to them to go there...THIS IS NOT THE BOONDOCKS AND A SKIRMISH IN THIS AREA COULD CAUSE MANY MANY CASUALTIES A PISSED OFF bf could rain terror on an Urban area in no time at all.

I am going to eventually post the pictures I have...tons of signs and fresh footprints...and unlike idiots like Todd Standing I will explain what every tree sign means and show you what its for....the more people know the better these things are not going anywhere and no civil authorities can control them beyond killing them.

I spent a lot of time alone in the forest during my lifetime hiking and hunting...and I NEVER NOTICED MOST OF THE BF SIGNS FOR WHAT THEY ARE....I still hunted a lot and stalked Whitetail a lot...I know the forest...but somehow unless you understand the subtle aspects of the things they do you just don't notice everything.However who would expect that they live in urban areas like they clearly do.

Absolutely they are to smart....and stealthy...I have had rocks thrown into the creek while I fished...20-30 feet away from me...little rocks...just looking for me to react to them...they like to make things react for them....they think they are outsmarting us when they do this particular action IMHO...I think they may have a sense of humor....if it ever happens again I now carry a handful of marbles in my daypack.....I will be tossing marbles back at them....lol....if you really want to crap your pants sit down and still-fish in absolute silence for a few hours and then have something throw a rock into the water right beside you from the thick seemingly impenetrable bushes...lol...lol.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: face23785

Does anyone believe garbage like this?

Well yes, since nearly the same thing with dead end and track and toe holes up an unclimbable straight up and down bank happened to me. There was also a bed made of broken branches I simply can't see any human making it and certainly no animal could.
I also left food, chicken which was taken, but after that I felt I should leave things be as it is not like disappearances don't happen. Bears would eat you so how do we know this meat eater would not. Humans eat Monkey so likness is not a problem for carnivores.

I find tons of bedding areas....and yes its absolutely frustrating to see a set of prints going up a steep bank in the dirt especially when it is hot out and windy out so as to highlight the moist wet earth they turned up as they climbed.....no clear tracks just generic holes in loose perturbed dirt....just as frustrating as gravel or hardpacked trail when trying to get tracks.

I only recently got pictures of fresh tracks...I am now extremely cautious when on Valley Trails and I do not go very far off of them and I also actually try to take a partner with me now...usually one I can out race....lol...lol...only a fool would not be frightened to a large degree once the implications strike you.....lol...especially hunters who are so used to being King of the Hill and top dog....as an former hunter I immediately understand that they own me in the forest..absolutely own me.Honestly I will never ever spend time in the forest alone now....I am glad I did not know about these thngs years ago as I would have missed out on a lot of outdoors activities that I will not do now...nope...and as far as researchers go I have this to say...do it at your own risk and KNOW THERE IS A RISK...jeepers people aren't even sure if they are real so how can they take it seriously enough....for example woodknocking….its how they hunt not how they chit-chat....you don't want to be out there actively showing you are hunting their food in their territory...lol...also watch out for big areas with trees knocked down in criss cross patterns lain atop one another in obvious patterns that look like an intentional maze...because that is what it is....they set up obstacle courses to hinder and slow down their prey like Deer...then they drive them into these areas and pick them off....they are quite smart...after us they own the Planet as far as intelligence goes IMHO.

originally posted by: SeaWorthy
a reply to: Deetermined

Five days later, a second newspaper story reported that his "lawyer's office has been inundated with calls from media outlets. ... 'We're just sort of waiting for the dust to settle,' he said, explaining he and his client are evaluating offers.

I could easily use the same excuse for why someone would create this video in the first place.

Why would a creature in nature have so much white skin around the eyes and nose area. It almost looks to me like a circular cut out in the face and it doesn't blend together.

While I have no doubt that people have seen a creature similar to this, I put it in the same category as aliens. After reading an article of an interview with an elderly native Indian, I believe it's more possible that these creatures are some kind of spiritual entities that have the ability to manifest into the physical at will and disappear the same way.

While I do think they must be out there due to the sheer number of stories we've heard, this vid really clearly supports the hoax version. First thing I noticed was the horizontal crease on the leg, and also the butt area looks like a squared off piece of cardboard or something under the hair.
Bummer.

a reply to: Deetermined

It almost looks to me like a circular cut out in the face and it doesn't blend together.

This is true but humans who are hary types and let all the facial hair grow (I have a friend who when young did this all the time) look the same, they have hair everywhere but there is a section that stays hairless just as the video. So who knows. The feet look white though and it seems they should be very dark.

Can't find one where the guy has not trimmed around the eye area.