Rapture Event in California? Two Earthquakes and Thousands of Bees die!

a reply to: [post=24469678]Waterglass[/post
I was thinking the same thing as the swamp buck. Methane or CO2.

It may happen on a regular basis, the energy released from the movement may do something to the bees somehow, basically scaring them to death or confusing the hell out of them. Just because something has not been noticed or investigated does not mean it is not pertinent or true. Maybe if people kept track of these dieoffs and gave the information to scientists to evaluate, they might actually investigate this and find out that there is some sort of relationship.

Bees get all mixed up when they get scared, when they get mad they go a little crazy too. Scared is different than mad. Some types of bees die when they sting and maybe this is related to something like that too, maybe a chemical is released when stinging and that chemical kills them. All they would have to do is check to see if the stinger was pushed out which may rupture something, it may not be the stinger being stuck that causes the death.

originally posted by: LightSpeedDriver

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

God is real.

Really? Based on what evidence? In other words, prove it.

There is lots of evidence and even today healings are taking place in His name.

Can you prove He doesn’t exist ? How so ?

The rapture is not real. Hope that helps... a reply to: LightSpeedDriver

so very true many will turn their backs on God when the # hits the fan and they are not raptured out.

a reply to: lordcomac

Great idea. However there is a spiritual battle going on around us and so God will always keep his word and in end times especially - "New International Version: "'In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams."

So, man can deny and ignore all he wishes but God wants every person to come back to him.

In the meantime the devil will try to destroy every human he possibly can, along with his fallen angels. No human will stop this.

I believe the Rapture will happen. There is going to be a worldwide catalclysmic event and believers will disappear. Remember this so that during the Tribulation, for those who remain, there is still time to make your choice.

In this case: I think it was a type of gas that Swampbuck mentioned here and I think Clovensky's thoughts are quite good too.

Wishing everyone the best.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

The Rapture has not happened YET.

a reply to: hiddeninsite
There is only the resurrection of dead and living it all happens at once. There is no get out of dodge early it a fake theory.

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

WHAT IS THE RAPTURE?
Commentary by David Reagan
The Rapture is a glorious event which God has promised to the Church. The promise is that someday very soon, at the blowing of a trumpet and the shout of an archangel, Jesus will appear in the sky and take up His Church, living and dead, to Heaven.

The Term
The term, Rapture, comes from a Latin word that means to catch up, to snatch away, or to take out. It is a Biblical word that comes right out of the Latin Vulgate translation of the Bible. The word is found in 1 Thessalonians 4:17. In the New American Standard Version, the English phrase, "caught up," is used. The same phrase is used in the King James and New International Versions.

A Promise to the Church
The concept of the Rapture was not revealed to the Old Testament prophets because it is a promise to the New Testament Church and not to the saints of God who lived before the establishment of the Church.
The saints of Old Testament times will be resurrected at the end of the Tribulation and not at the time of the Rapture of the Church. Daniel reveals this fact in Daniel 12:1-2 where he says that the saints of that age will be resurrected at the end of the "time of distress."

Biblical References
The first clear mention of the Rapture in Scripture is found in the words of Jesus recorded in John 14:1-4. Jesus said, "I will come again, and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."
The most detailed revelation of the actual events related to the Rapture is given by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. He says that when Jesus appears, the dead in Christ (Church age saints) will be resurrected and caught up first. Then, those of us who are alive in Christ will be translated "to meet the Lord in the air." Paul then exhorts us to "comfort one another with these words."

Paul mentions the Rapture again in 1 Corinthians 15 — his famous chapter on the resurrection of the dead: "Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." (verses 51 and 52)

Paul's reference here to being changed is an allusion to the fact that the saints will receive glorified bodies that will be perfected, imperishable and immortal (1 Cor. 15:42-44, and 50-55).


The Pre-Tribulation Rapture
I believe the best inference of Scripture is that the Rapture will occur at the beginning of the Tribulation. The most important reason I believe this has to do with the issue of imminence. Over and over in Scripture we are told to watch for the appearing of the Lord. We are told "to be ready" (Matt. 24:44), "to be on the alert" (Matt. 24:42), "to be dressed in readiness" (Luke 12:35), and to "keep your lamps alight" (Luke 12:35). The clear force of these persistent warnings is that Jesus can appear at any moment.

Only the pre-Tribulation concept of the Rapture allows for the imminence of the Lord's appearing for His Church. When the Rapture is placed at any other point in time, the imminence of the Lord's appearing is destroyed because other prophetic events must happen first.

For example, if the Rapture is going to occur in mid-Tribulation, then why should I live looking for the Lord's appearing at any moment? I would be looking instead for an Israeli peace treaty, the rebuilding of the Temple, and the revelation of the Antichrist. Then and only then could the Lord appear.

Focus
This raises the issue of what we are to be looking for. Nowhere are believers told to watch for the appearance of the Antichrist. On the contrary, we are told to watch for Jesus Christ. In Titus 2:13 Paul says we are to live "looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus." Likewise, Peter urges us to "fix our hope completely on the grace to be brought to us at the revelation of Jesus Christ" (1 Peter 1:13). John completes the apostolic chorus by similarly urging us to "fix our hope on Him" at His appearing (1 John 3:2-3).

Only Matthew speaks of watching for the Antichrist (Matt. 24:15), but he is speaking to the Jews living in Israel in the middle of the Tribulation when the Antichrist desecrates the rebuilt Temple.

Wrath
Another argument in behalf of a pre-Tribulation Rapture has to do with the promises of God to protect the Church from His wrath. As has already been demonstrated, the book of Revelation shows that the wrath of God will be poured out during the entire period of the Tribulation.

The Word promises over and over that the Church will be delivered from God's wrath. Romans 5:9 says that "we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him [Jesus]." 1 Thessalonians 1:10 states that we are waiting "for His Son from heaven... who will deliver us from the wrath to come." The promise is repeated in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 — "God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Deliverance
Some argue that God could supernaturally protect the Church during the Tribulation. Yes, He could. In fact, He promises to do just that for the 144,000 Jews who will be sealed as bond-servants at the beginning of the Tribulation (Rev. 7:1-8).
But God's promise to the Church during the Tribulation is not one of protection but one of deliverance. Jesus said we would "escape" the horrors of the Tribulation (Luke 21:36). Paul says Jesus is coming to "deliver" us from God's wrath (1 Thess. 1:10).

Symbolism
There are several prophetic types that seem to affirm the concept of deliverance from Tribulation. Take Enoch for example. He was a prophet to the Gentiles who was raptured out of the world before God poured out His wrath in the great flood of Noah's time. Enoch appears to be a type of the Gentile Church that will be taken out of the world before God pours out His wrath again. If so, then Noah and his family are a type of the Jewish remnant that will be protected through the Tribulation.

Another Old Testament symbolic type which points toward a pre-Tribulation Rapture is the experience of Lot and his family. They were delivered out of Sodom and Gomorrah before those cities were destroyed.

The Apostle Peter alludes to both of these examples in his second epistle. He states that if God spared Noah and Lot, then He surely "knows how to rescue the godly from trial and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment" (2 Peter 4-9).

Another beautiful prophetic type is to be found in the Jewish wedding traditions of Jesus's time. After the betrothal, the groom would return to his father's house to prepare a wedding chamber for his bride. He would return for his bride at an unexpected moment, so the bride had to be ready constantly. When he returned, he would take his bride back to his father's house to the chamber he had prepared. He and his bride would then be sealed in the chamber for seven days. When they emerged, a great wedding feast would be celebrated.

Likewise, Jesus has returned to Heaven to prepare a place for His bride, the Church. When He returns for His bride, He will take her to His Father's heavenly home. There He will remain with His bride for seven years (the duration of the Tribulation). The period will end with "the marriage supper of the Lamb" described in Revelation 19. Thus the seven days in the wedding chamber point prophetically to the seven years that Jesus and His bride will remain in Heaven during the Tribulation.

a reply to: hiddeninsite

Let me ask you one question if their is a rapture before the tribulation who are the saints beheaded under the alter? According to the rapture the church is out of here before the # hits the fan so to say. If the Holy Spirit has been removed with the church how is there salvation and the sealing of the believer after the rapture? Does the rapture create a two teared system within the kingdom the wise virgins and the stupid ones who have been beheaded? The tib period is 3.5 years not 7 years There is no 7 year time period in the book of revelations

a reply to: PhilbertDezineck

The Tribulation is split up into two parts, the first part will be peaceful and there will be a person (Antichrist) who rises that seems to have the answers to all and everyone gets back to living their lives. Persecution will start for anyone who turns into a believer (ie: those who now believe what those who have been raptured away were saying, and those who start to read the Bible). But, just as there are Christians who believe in no rapture, those who believe in a pre-Trib, a mid-Trib rapture - it doesn't really matter. The point is to ensure you make a choice of God or not God. And so, some believe in a 7 year time frame, others believe in a 3.5 yr time frame.

All believers are Saints. The Catholic Church has trained man to think the only saints are those who have been proclaimed as such by having done miracles or who died as martyrs.

The beheaded are those that die during the Tribulation.

People can still make a choice for God by accepting Jesus as their savior during the Tribulation. The only difference is they will have to endure horrific things and most likely be put to death, whereas the Holy Spirit is going to "get out of the way" and leave earth and take all believers with him. God does not abuse his bride. Everything that is written in Revelations is written in a way to do with the culture and traditions of the Jewish people at that time. The rapture will be Jesus coming for his bridge in the middle of the night (so to speak) (unexpectedly) and then whisk her (believers) to the bridal dinner. This is why much of the Bible doesn't make sense to a lot of people - they are thinking with modern mindsets and not in the manner that was used 2000 years ago.

a reply to: Waterglass

Rapture event? Did we suddenly have a bunch of people assend to the heavens?

No

It was some moderately large shakes.

response to: hiddeninsite
The key point is that the references your source are using are really about the resurrection from the dead, which takes place at the same time as the last judgement. "Some shall wake to everlasting life, some to shame and dishonour"- Daniel ch12 v2

the words of Jesus recorded in John 14:1-4. Jesus said, "I will come again, and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."

Yes, "the Day of the Lord; the final resurrection and last judgement.

The most detailed revelation of the actual events related to the Rapture is given by Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. He says that when Jesus appears, the dead in Christ (Church age saints) will be resurrected and caught up first. Then, those of us who are alive in Christ will be translated "to meet the Lord in the air." Paul then exhorts us to "comfort one another with these words."

Yes, "the Day of the Lord", the general resurrection and last judgement.

Paul mentions the Rapture again in 1 Corinthians 15 — his famous chapter on the resurrection of the dead: "Behold, I tell you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet." (verses 51 and 52)

Paul's reference here to being changed is an allusion to the fact that the saints will receive glorified bodies that will be perfected, imperishable and immortal (1 Cor. 15:42-44, and 50-55).

Guess what

Over and over in Scripture we are told to watch for the appearing of the Lord. We are told "to be ready" (Matt. 24:44), "to be on the alert" (Matt. 24:42), "to be dressed in readiness" (Luke 12:35), and to "keep your lamps alight" (Luke 12:35). The clear force of these persistent warnings is that Jesus can appear at any moment.

Yes, for the time of judgement and the general resurrection

The Word promises over and over that the Church will be delivered from God's wrath. Romans 5:9 says that "we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him [Jesus]." 1 Thessalonians 1:10 states that we are waiting "for His Son from heaven... who will deliver us from the wrath to come." The promise is repeated in 1 Thessalonians 5:9 — "God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."

All references to deliverance "from wrath" are about the final judgement. We do not suffer the wrath of God because our sins have been forgiven.

In the overall history of the church, the distinct and separate "Rapture" is a NEW teaching. Doesn't that tell you something? Once the basic message has been delivered, anything new is going to be a different road, by definition.
This is exactly the kind of thing Paul was complaining about, when he warned us against false teachers presenting new ideas to people with "itching ears". Those Christians who lap up the Rapture teaching have got "itching ears syndrome".

a reply to: DISRAELI

I understand that many believe it is a new teaching, but I don't think so.

The Bible is revealed more and more as time goes on. God gives us clearer and new understanding as end times come closer.

I read the New Testament to myself as a source of comfort and hope during my turbulent and ugly childhood. I kept coming back to the passages of the rapture and although I didn't understand it, and it sounded fearful, I also gained great comfort from it. I knew there was a terrible time coming and that believers would be safe. So, when I discuss the rapture it comes from my own 11 year old self (and onwards) and then I started to look for more understanding by going to the library. Now we have the internet.

Personally, I believe there will be a rapture. It is the only thing that makes sense. Also I have had several real-life Rapture dreams - 4 in all. All in color/sound/emotions and almost more real than my real life.

I can only go by what my gut and heart tell me. I have the Holy Spirit and I put my trust in Him. If I am wrong then no harm. If I am right in my gut then I shall rejoice when the time comes.

All meant respectfully.
P.S. I did not have a church or religious background at all. So, I did not have any pre-knowledge of the rapture and came to this understanding I do believe with the help of the Holy Spirit.

a reply to: hiddeninsite
The source of comfort was always in the Return of Christ and the resurrection.
The distortion comes when this is turned into a way of avoiding tribulation. There is no promise that the church will avoid tribulation; in fact, it's virtually guaranteed. That's why the book of Revelation was given, to encourage the church to hold on to their faith and endure through the tribulation.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: a325nt

Two other OPS reported among the minions that its possibly gas. I agree with that premise.

The rapture is a story, and it's not real.

Here's what you don't get. 84% of the worlds population are religious. Regardless whether Rapture is a story human nature can take over such that perception can become reality among the 84% Think about it in the deep end.

Sure, but they claim over 2500 different gods exist. You only believe in 1 of those gods.

Also, belief does not create reality. It doesn’t matter how many people believe in gods, the complete lack of evidence for their beliefs, is evidence that humans make up stories to justify what they wish to be true.

Smacks of atheists faith in nothing and also as well their beliefs in evolution.

Mirror mirror

Do humans make up stories about gods to justify their beliefs or not?

Don’t you think humans invent gods? Are there god claims that you don’t accept as valid?

Of course they invent things that’s obvious
The question is why

Why have people made these identities and given them such powers, 2000 year old comic books

I am sorry Woodue you just don’t want to get it

a reply to: hiddeninsite

The Protestant church believes everything we live and breath ( just about) must be backed up with scripture . To say new information is added is generally considered pretty bad, think Muslims, Mormons. At the end of revelation we are warned about adding to scripture.

The New Testament shouldn’t be a source of comfort Jesus is. But I am sure I understand what you meant.

As for rapture, yeah be good if it does happen but we are warned about persecution of the church, my heart, my feeling suggest christians are going to be up for a hard time so one of us is wrong

Anyway, you said
“I put my trust in Him, if I am wrong no harm” and in my opinion that’s perfect, that’s my philosophy as well

Hope you are right and we escape

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Waterglass
a reply to: a325nt

Two other OPS reported among the minions that its possibly gas. I agree with that premise.

The rapture is a story, and it's not real.

Here's what you don't get. 84% of the worlds population are religious. Regardless whether Rapture is a story human nature can take over such that perception can become reality among the 84% Think about it in the deep end.

Sure, but they claim over 2500 different gods exist. You only believe in 1 of those gods.

Also, belief does not create reality. It doesn’t matter how many people believe in gods, the complete lack of evidence for their beliefs, is evidence that humans make up stories to justify what they wish to be true.

Smacks of atheists faith in nothing and also as well their beliefs in evolution.

Mirror mirror

Yea, faith is not a path to truth. That is why nobody uses faith to prove anything.

Actually faith is a path to truth, coupled with education and effort it’s amazing what can be achieved

You prove your faith in evolution with empirical evidence, show it to me and I will be,i eve it’s truth
You have to prove faith or disprove it if you can, have a go

a reply to: hiddeninsite

"I knew there was a terrible time coming and that believers would be safe. I shall rejoice when the time comes. "

I am bemused, If Jesus did not perform one act of selfishness in his entire life. Why do you think Jesus will reward selfishness?

Truly if God is your Lord, then you must be His servant, and if you then work for your own good or your own pleasure or your
own salvation, then indeed you are not His servant, for you seek not only God's glory but your own profit. Why does he say, "the Lord his God " ? If God wills you to be sick and you want to be well; if God wills that your friend should die and you want him to live contrary to God's will, then God is not your Lord. If you love God and are sick 'In God's name'; if your friend dies 'In God's name'; if he loses an eye 'in God's name,' with such a man it would indeed be well. But if you are sick and pray to God for health, then health is dearer to you than God, and He is not your God. He is the God of heaven and earth, but not your God.

--Meister Eckhart

This is echoed by Jesus when he said ...

Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
--Matthew 7:21

Thus anyone seeking salvation will never achieve salvation.

If Gods will is for everyone to achieve salvation. Then our mindset should be to be one with God so we can be one with his will, helping others achieve salvation. Nothing for ourselves. Everything for all others.

Altruism for God. Selfishness for Satan.

originally posted by: grubblesnert
a reply to: [post=24469678]Waterglass[/post
I was thinking the same thing as the swamp buck. Methane or CO2.

A earthquake can cause radon gas to escape, thus killing bees. Stroking them out.

a reply to: Sheye

LightSpeedDriver did not make the claim, therefore he is not required to provide evidence.

Waterglass made the statement "God is real.", therefore he has to prove it.

You can't prove a negative (i.e. God doesn't exist). At best you can say that current evidence doesn't support God's existence. So until we have concrete, objective evidence of the Abrahamic God's existence, it's pointless to argue about it or make factual statements concerning it.

For the record, I have a personal belief in a "god or gods", but am mature enough to understand that it can't be proven. Therefore I don't expect others to share or abide by my views on spirituality. Nor do I condemn them to hell for being unbelievers.

I tend to sit back and watch everyone argue about their invisible friends while I shake my head.