Civil War to be Massive Gun Grab

originally posted by: scolai
This is going to sound like an Alex Jones tier conspiracy theory, but bear with me.

1. Patriot prayer and antifa are intentionally egging each other on.

2. The right, for the most part, are pretty well armed. The left is encouraging supporters to arm themselves.

3. I’ve been seeing more talk about civil war from various media sources.

4. If an armed conflict does take place in the US, the military will have to get involved and shut it down.

5. After the conflict, the media and various governments across the country will tell us that guns caused this to happen and we should surrender all of them.

6. Stupid sheeple will willingly hand over their weapons for the “greater good”.

This is getting out of hand. I know this sounds insane, but is it completely unreasonable to assume that a government that constantly finding new and creative ways of screwing us over, is once again trying to screw us over?

Call me paranoid, but I don’t trust any governments anymore.

Let me tell you why you are wrong.

Here is an example:

In June, there was a media frenzy over the "chaos" occuring in the Oregon Senate. Republican legislators were reported to have "abandoned" the senate, with some even allegedly "fleeing" the entire state altogether. There was a grand announcement by the Governor of Oregon ordering state troopers and cops to "apprehend" the rogue senators. There was even talk of "armed" militiamen saying they would "take up arms" and protect Republican senators "at all costs". It all seemed over-the-top and to an easily fooled and easily excited individual, you could have been mistaken into believing that an all-out "civil war" would soon break out in the US state of Oregon. All over the refusal to vote on a climate bill.

Nevertheless, that has all ended now. The rogue Republicans have since returned and voted down the climate bill.

No Civil War broke out. No militiamen fought against troopers. No martial law.

Just saying...

a reply to: scolai

Actually, its sounds much worse than any Alex Jones conspiracy.

First of all, I seriously doubt there's going to be any kind of a Civil War 2.0 in the foreseeable future. And if there ever is, I doubt it will be over firearms as a focal point. Firearms may be a tertiary component, but not the main reason.

About the only thing I could envision which would cause a Civil War 2.0 would be something like the left miraculously 'stealing' a super majority along with the presidency and a wholesale take down of the SCOTUS followed by an attempted re-write of the Constitution (or trashing it altogether) in favor of some socialist regime. If that were ever to be the case, I'm not sure the military would stand with the Government very long.

That said, there are some folks who are really wishing for something like a Civil War 2.0 to happen, and these people are the MSM and their Globalist NWO backers. They would love nothing better! The MSM would transition from just empires to dynasties, and the Globalist NWO backers would be licking their greedy chops at all the profits to be made and the power to be gotten usurped. ...or so they would think.

If something like this were to take place within the next two decades I'm confident any sort of a conflict would be very short lived. I think there is enough traditional American resolve remaining to crush something like this practically overnight. Blue would be vaporized from the political landscape in this country for a very, very, long time. However, beyond two decades, I'd say all bets are off on what way it will go.

Just my .02

a reply to: EternalShadow


"If Hillary would have taken office we wouldn't have Antifa, immigration issues, etc."


You really believe that????

Bah! There will be no civil war. Everywhere I go I see nothing but regular people of all colors shapes sizes and sexes getting along just fine.

Fake outrage won't make a real war and only the truly outraged will stick around when things get hot which pretty much leaves antifa vs kkk, which frankly, sounds like great PPV to me!

a reply to: scolai


The civil war and subsequent gun grab will seem secondary.

First there will be a massive power outage.

It'll be widespread and last for weeks.

The government will then have a way around "posse comitatus" and deploy troops.


They will simply trade food and water for firearms.

*boom*

Gun grab complete, a cowed population, and a new world order.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scolai


The civil war and subsequent gun grab will seem secondary.

First there will be a massive power outage.

It'll be widespread and last for weeks.

The government will then have a way around "posse comitatus" and deploy troops.


They will simply trade food and water for firearms.

*boom*

Gun grab complete, a cowed population, and a new world order.

It's absolutely terrifying how right you are

But only maby 1% of the population is prepared enough to even attempt to resist that move

a reply to: markovian


Make people hungry and desperate enough and they'll gladly hand over their fire arms, not a shot fired!

a reply to: scolai

Sorry no civil war until they figure out how to mind control the military to willingly violate the law and operate inside the US and go door to door, fighting people like their families, neighbors, and friends.

maybe 20-25% of the military would go along with that... probably another 20-25% would just walk away the rest would probably resist outright.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scolai


The civil war and subsequent gun grab will seem secondary.

First there will be a massive power outage.

It'll be widespread and last for weeks.

The government will then have a way around "posse comitatus" and deploy troops.


They will simply trade food and water for firearms.

*boom*

Gun grab complete, a cowed population, and a new world order.

There is not enough troops to cover the United States as a whole. Then you have to count how many troops will not keep food from their country men and women.

Your plan would fail because country folks are crazy. Big city folks might would be responsive to your plan bit country folks would get all wacked out on Stag beer and Cheap Kentucky bourbon and ram their 4x4 pickup the ou uh the checkpoints and just take whatever they want.

It seems to me that most of these scenarios and problems are fabricated from people who live in metropolitan areas and severely underestimate just how many crazy country people there are in America.

But what do I know? I'm just some guy that lives in a corn field (literally).

50+ people get shot near chicago every weekend and guns aren't being forcefully taken in the chicago area.
Hell, this 4th of july weekend it's expected to be 100+. (Hopefully not). Chicago has alot of democrats too..

A massive event would have to happen, like a right-wing gun group taking over a big city and hanging officials or something like that. And there's like .0000001% chance of that.

I don't think civil war is likely. I think maybe like military occupation and forced gun removal inder extreme martial law is more likely. But still unlikely.

originally posted by: tjack
Bah! There will be no civil war. Everywhere I go I see nothing but regular people of all colors shapes sizes and sexes getting along just fine.

Fake outrage won't make a real war and only the truly outraged will stick around when things get hot which pretty much leaves antifa vs kkk, which frankly, sounds like great PPV to me!

I agree. Where I live there is a solid mix of D/R's, about evenly split depending on where you live, more R's in rural area's (as usual).

It seems there's only problems in high density Dem area's and it's always R's getting assaulted. I've yet to see any incidents where a Dem was assaulted in a rural town for wearing an "I'm with her" tee shirt or an "Obama 2008, 2012" tee shirt. But if you did the opposite, there might be problems.

IDK how much of this is media hype, making out incidents to be worse than they are or as to how much they sensationalize the stories.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scolai


The civil war and subsequent gun grab will seem secondary.

First there will be a massive power outage.

It'll be widespread and last for weeks.

The government will then have a way around "posse comitatus" and deploy troops.


They will simply trade food and water for firearms.

*boom*

Gun grab complete, a cowed population, and a new world order.

I don't see it being that easy, especially in rural areas where many people have their own water access (wells). Where I live over 1/2 the population uses wells and the other 1/2 uses a few big wells. Lots of gardens, live stock & feed for live stock, gas/fuel stores (for farms & businesses) and lots of people with lots of stored/canned/frozen food.

Now I could see confiscation maybe working in the city b/c they could cut the water off there as well as the food but I'd think there might be some entrepreneuring people who collect food from the rural areas and sell it in the cities.

If the power went out and there was no food/water, how would/could they demand guns for food/water? How could they identify those who had guns vs those who didn't? If you pull up to a block with a truck of food and there's 500 people standing there, how do you know if citizen A owns a gun while citizen B doesn't? What if gun owner A keeps his guns at his hunting camp 300 miles away and he's in the city?

I know your story "sounds" plausible, like in a scary hollywood sense, but IRL, I don't see it plausible/functional in the least.

originally posted by: liejunkie01

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: scolai


The civil war and subsequent gun grab will seem secondary.

First there will be a massive power outage.

It'll be widespread and last for weeks.

The government will then have a way around "posse comitatus" and deploy troops.


They will simply trade food and water for firearms.

*boom*

Gun grab complete, a cowed population, and a new world order.

There is not enough troops to cover the United States as a whole. Then you have to count how many troops will not keep food from their country men and women.

Your plan would fail because country folks are crazy. Big city folks might would be responsive to your plan bit country folks would get all wacked out on Stag beer and Cheap Kentucky bourbon and ram their 4x4 pickup the ou uh the checkpoints and just take whatever they want.

It seems to me that most of these scenarios and problems are fabricated from people who live in metropolitan areas and severely underestimate just how many crazy country people there are in America.

But what do I know? I'm just some guy that lives in a corn field (literally).

I agree with you to a very large extent, the underestimate of "country folk". IDK if it is b/c city folk just don't see how housing works in the country or what, but there are lots of "hidden" pockets of people and at times it can seem like they are coming out of the woodwork. IDK how many of them are "crazy", now maybe in comparison to how some city folk are, but I don't see too much "crazy".

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: markovian


Make people hungry and desperate enough and they'll gladly hand over their fire arms, not a shot fired!

Make people hungry and desperate and they will revolt. Nothing to loose.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Happy fourth DBCowboy!

What about all the people who don't have any guns to trade to the authorities for food and water? Will they hand over their Steam username and password(s) instead?

originally posted by: scolai
This is going to sound like an Alex Jones tier conspiracy theory, but bear with me.

1. Patriot prayer and antifa are intentionally egging each other on.

2. The right, for the most part, are pretty well armed. The left is encouraging supporters to arm themselves.

3. I’ve been seeing more talk about civil war from various media sources.

4. If an armed conflict does take place in the US, the military will have to get involved and shut it down.

5. After the conflict, the media and various governments across the country will tell us that guns caused this to happen and we should surrender all of them.

6. Stupid sheeple will willingly hand over their weapons for the “greater good”.

This is getting out of hand. I know this sounds insane, but is it completely unreasonable to assume that a government that constantly finding new and creative ways of screwing us over, is once again trying to screw us over?

Call me paranoid, but I don’t trust any governments anymore.

so the Republican government which is in the NRA's pocket is going to take away everybody's guns?

a reply to: scolai

Hmmm, I think you may be on to something, but I also think you've got the "play" a bit wrong.

For one thing, you really can't have a full blown "Civil War" without one geographically contiguous area of the country demanding divorce (secession) from the rest of the country.

What I see playing out is more akin to the Hurricane Katrina situation.

In that type situation, you see massive breakdown in civil order in multiple Metropolitan areas which goes on for days with killing and looting and home invasions and the whole drill in which of course, the Police and the Sheriff's Departments are basically forced to stand down to help evacuate their own families.

That's followed by the Governor calling in the National Guard and possibly the President calling in regular Army troops to restore order. Then the "President" issues an executive order based on emergency powers act to confiscate all civilian firearms in both the Metro area, the surrounding county and the bounding counties to which people fled the violence. They will basically just go door to door, busting down doors, demanding firearms be surrendered as they crack skulls and do a search of the property.

So yea, it could happen and yea, I can see Antifa trying to start something like this. Problem is.......there just isn't enough Antifa to pull it off.

a reply to: TonyS

There isn't enough military or LEO's to go door-to-door, either.

2 million total, on a good day, vs. 106 million gun-owning households. You are going to see that train coming from 30 years away.

originally posted by: 0zzymand0s
a reply to: DBCowboy

Happy fourth DBCowboy!

What about all the people who don't have any guns to trade to the authorities for food and water? Will they hand over their Steam username and password(s) instead?

Nah, they'll just turn in their neighbors that do have firearms.