What if: The mark of the beast is not a actual mark..?

originally posted by: Blue Shift
Revelation is a Jewish text cobbled together from older sources and then edited and shoehorned into the New Testament to make it seem like it was referencing Jesus as the Messiah. If you are really interested in a solid interpretation of it instead of what your Sunday School teacher told you about it, ask the Jews:

www.jewishencyclopedia.com...

Well the jews at that time actually tok Jesus life. Because their faith in their own scripture was different. But the irony is that these jews now make the same claimes a Jesus proclaimed to to them some 2000 years ago. No jew can be trusted.

a reply to: spy66


There is a major world religion and one of there traditions is to go on a pilgrimage at least once in there lives to a site they believe is holy and on this site there is an ancient black stone shaped like a vulva, they endeavor to touch this stone and when they return from there pilgrimage to were ever they have come from in the world others from there community then seek to touch there hand as it has touched the stone.

a reply to: LABTECH767



I agree that these are the traditions of todays religions. How we practice religion is not the common nominator when it comes to the Mark of the beast. Our faith will fall under what revelation 13 verse 15 state about our worship. That is a totally different problem that we will face.


The mark will be implimented by a democratic statue. This means that the majority of the world population will Accept the terms and conditions it will fall under. This menas that the once who dont like it will be forced to Accept it if they like it or not....it is the principal of a Democracy....

What i am saying is that New laws and social structures will be formed to impliment this mark. We will Accept that the authority can use scaners to ID us and register all Our actions and motions…… All in the name of safety….. Does that ring a bell when it comes to scripture…?


You know what Our common argument is right...I have nothing to hide so bring it on...… This is Our attitude.

a reply to: spy66

There are more than just the religions we have names for, every individual has there very own personal set of belief's and no matter how much they may try to align or be aligned into a group mentality or cult there beliefs will remain individual even those instilled into them.

The statue could be argued to be the black stone itself which is shaped like a Vulva and if we go back to Salmon Rushdies Satanic Verses we find reference to very early versions of the Koran, specifically to now removed passages in which Muhammad told his followers that it was OK to worship the Idols then in the Kaaba when he first retook the city as they could act as high flying cranes between the heavens and the earth, this caused great confusion among his followers and he later recanted, later Islamic scholars even suggested that he may have been possessed by the Devil hence satanic verses which were later removed in newer and revised version's of there Sura's.

Still what happen's when they really enter the digital age, when they implement a religious tax on those not members of there faith will they then carry an implant or a mark or a tattoo with there phrase upon it.

The oldest reference to Allah long predates the Islamic religion.
shoebat.com...

For Christian's there is only the WAY, one way not many and all other path's lead into darkness and damnation.

what if its anyone with a tatoo?

A metaphysical/phorical oath perhaps rather then a distinct mark or profound design?

What about the mark of the beast actually being Catholic an Christian rites/ traditions of baptism, communion, and confirmation?

Water on the forehead, to ashes being spread over the forehead in the shape of a cross.

Also hold your right hand up, and swear to tell the truth, nothing but the truth, so help ones god?

a reply to: LABTECH767


I see what you are trying to say. But what if i say that Our faith have nothing to do With this. It dosen't matter what faith you have when it comes to how the system is being rigged. If the system is creating scaners that register everyones physical appearance passively...it dosent mather what faith you have.., you will be scaned and ID'ed anyway. You will have a physicall appearance that the system will be able to ID no mater what Your faith is. Because it is based on Your physical appearance and location at all times. And Your bank account will also be rigged up to this system.


Your physicall appearance have nothng to do With Your faith and believes. It is a system dedicated to ID Your PERSON and what you do within a system.


To take this further. Your believes have nothing to do With how you make trades within the system. You will be forced to fallow the strict regulations of trade. And it dosent matter what Your faith is. You will be forced to fallow the Law of common trade. You can have Your faith, but if you want to buy or sell you have to fallow the common Law.


What i am saying is that religion and the Beast system works differently. This is the big issue.....


So how does one not take the mark of the beast within the system being rigged...?


The verse does say...:

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

Everyone gets the mark. So in reality no one will be saved. Unless you know how to make Your living without being within the social beast system. So what does faith have to do With this ….?

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)

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a reply to: Sublimecraft
If you don't take the mark then you get the honor of being beheaded. Which people group likes to behead folks?

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: Sublimecraft
If you don't take the mark then you get the honor of being beheaded. Which people group likes to behead folks?

According to revelation 13 verse 15. If you dont worship the image of the beast, You should be killed.


The verse does not really say that you shal be killed. It only state that you should be killed. This indicates that it is a very serious crime not to worship the image of the beast.


You mention what group of people would do such a thing. In the future our Court systems wont be manned by people but by AI's. People will be judged by AI's that are programed how to instantly judge you according to law. You wont be going to a court. In the future people will be prosessed like animals being brought to the slaughterhouse. You will have no interactions with other humans within this prosess.
Where there are no human interaction there will not be any mercy either. You wont be given a Choice you will just be prosessed according to Your crime. What ever faith you have wont matter. AI's wont care. They are programed to prosess You according to the Law.


The peopel who are going to create these AI's and this system will be common people like you and me. We are the once who are going to install all this. Because it is part of our evolution within technological progress. We wont see the problem until it hits us smak in the face.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: Sublimecraft
If you don't take the mark then you get the honor of being beheaded. Which people group likes to behead folks?

According to revelation 13 verse 15. If you dont worship the image of the beast, You should be killed.


The verse does not really say that you shal be killed. It only state that you should be killed. This indicates that it is a very serious crime not to worship the image of the beast.


You mention what group of people would do such a thing. In the future our Court systems wont be manned by people but by AI's. People will be judged by AI's that are programed how to instantly judge you according to law. You wont be going to a court. In the future people will be prosessed like animals being brought to the slaughterhouse. You will have no interactions with other humans within this prosess.
Where there are no human interaction there will not be any mercy either. You wont be given a Choice you will just be prosessed according to Your crime. What ever faith you have wont matter. AI's wont care. They are programed to prosess You according to the Law.


The peopel who are going to create these AI's and this system will be common people like you and me. We are the once who are going to install all this. Because it is part of our evolution within technological progress. We wont see the problem until it hits us smak in the face.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: Sublimecraft
If you don't take the mark then you get the honor of being beheaded. Which people group likes to behead folks?

According to revelation 13 verse 15. If you dont worship the image of the beast, You should be killed.


The verse does not really say that you shal be killed. It only state that you should be killed. This indicates that it is a very serious crime not to worship the image of the beast.


You mention what group of people would do such a thing. In the future our Court systems wont be manned by people but by AI's. People will be judged by AI's that are programed how to instantly judge you according to law. You wont be going to a court. In the future people will be prosessed like animals being brought to the slaughterhouse. You will have no interactions with other humans within this prosess.
Where there are no human interaction there will not be any mercy either. You wont be given a Choice you will just be prosessed according to Your crime. What ever faith you have wont matter. AI's wont care. They are programed to prosess You according to the Law.


The peopel who are going to create these AI's and this system will be common people like you and me. We are the once who are going to install all this. Because it is part of our evolution within technological progress. We wont see the problem until it hits us smak in the face.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: Sublimecraft
If you don't take the mark then you get the honor of being beheaded. Which people group likes to behead folks?

According to revelation 13 verse 15. If you dont worship the image of the beast, You should be killed.


The verse does not really say that you shal be killed. It only state that you should be killed. This indicates that it is a very serious crime not to worship the image of the beast.


You mention what group of people would do such a thing. In the future our Court systems wont be manned by people but by AI's. People will be judged by AI's that are programed how to instantly judge you according to law. You wont be going to a court. In the future people will be prosessed like animals being brought to the slaughterhouse. You will have no interactions with other humans within this prosess.
Where there are no human interaction there will not be any mercy either. You wont be given a Choice you will just be prosessed according to Your crime. What ever faith you have wont matter. AI's wont care. They are programed to prosess You according to the Law.


The peopel who are going to create these AI's and this system will be common people like you and me. We are the once who are going to install all this. Because it is part of our evolution within technological progress. We wont see the problem until it hits us smak in the face.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: Sublimecraft
If you don't take the mark then you get the honor of being beheaded. Which people group likes to behead folks?

According to revelation 13 verse 15. If you dont worship the image of the beast, You should be killed.


The verse does not really say that you shal be killed. It only state that you should be killed. This indicates that it is a very serious crime not to worship the image of the beast.


You mention what group of people would do such a thing. In the future our Court systems wont be manned by people but by AI's. People will be judged by AI's that are programed how to instantly judge you according to law. You wont be going to a court. In the future people will be prosessed like animals being brought to the slaughterhouse. You will have no interactions with other humans within this prosess.
Where there are no human interaction there will not be any mercy either. You wont be given a Choice you will just be prosessed according to Your crime. What ever faith you have wont matter. AI's wont care. They are programed to prosess You according to the Law.


The peopel who are going to create these AI's and this system will be common people like you and me. We are the once who are going to install all this. Because it is part of our evolution within technological progress. We wont see the problem until it hits us smak in the face.

originally posted by: CthruU

Who cares what the mark is.

Gladly i will lay my head on a guillotine than denounce christ/yeshua as my savour and that of his resurrection.

With all respect, don't you think this is easier said than done..?

a reply to: Sublimecraft
If you don't take the mark then you get the honor of being beheaded. Which people group likes to behead folks?

a reply to: spy66
In my opinion AI will not be involved. The beast most likely would want a hand in all the killing, besides that it would remove the human element and the Beast is all about corruption of the human soul.

originally posted by: PhilbertDezineck
a reply to: spy66
In my opinion AI will not be involved. The beast most likely would want a hand in all the killing, besides that it would remove the human element and the Beast is all about corruption of the human soul.

The beast is not a person but a society/nations….it is a beast system driven by AI functions.

The beast is not a person but a society/nations….it is a beast system driven by AI functions. a reply to: spy66
Which beast are you speaking of there are three in the book of Revelations. All are referred too as being males. I don't think AI has a gender.