NYTimes reports on conditions in US Immigrant Children Camps and says conditions are really bad

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

It's illegal for the government to turn asylum seekers away. That's why Trump wants Congress to change the law, and reject our international treaties.

No, that's what you want to think he wants.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: ClovenSky

I never assume people are bad, until they prove me otherwise.

When you see people, willfully and doggedly fight for the right to treat children like this, as a strategy for political gains, you have your proof.

It’s YOUR party’s lack of doing anything about our illegal immigration problems that this problem is going on in the first place. If you want to blame someone, blame yourself, after all you are the one supporting the a-holes doing this. Stop pointing your finger and blaming others for your lack of giving a # and your failed ideology.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

It's illegal for the government to turn asylum seekers away. That's why Trump wants Congress to change the law, and reject our international treaties.

And when those "seekers" get rejected in court .............it's .............

dun dun DUN DUN .... DUN!!😎

a reply to: gallop

Sigh...

President Trump is delaying immigration raids that were set to begin this weekend, saying he will give Congress two weeks to make changes to asylum law before dispatching Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents around the country to deport undocumented immigrants.

www.wuft.org...

The "Law and Order" president hates the law.

a reply to: mtnshredder

Right. My party refuses to change federal asylum law and reject international treaties so that Trump can legally violate people's human rights.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

It's illegal for the government to turn asylum seekers away. That's why Trump wants Congress to change the law, and reject our international treaties.

These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations, if they were they should be happy they have a safe place to be but they’re not. Kind of says it all doesn’t it? They want our jobs and handouts, you need to wake up to that fact or are you just that gullible and ignorant.

If true this is disgraceful

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

Right. My party refuses to change federal asylum law and reject international treaties so that Trump can legally violate people's human rights.

Whatever, your party doesn’t give two craps about these people. They don’t even care about their own people. Prove has been in the pudding sunshine. Keep being brainwashed it’s apparently the choice you’ve made already if you’re buying your party’s BS.

a reply to: mtnshredder

These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations

Says you.....

Regardless of you opinion of people you don't know anything about, the facts remains the same.

You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

What International Treaties ? 😃

a reply to: Frocharocha

After being for days in a desert in the same clothes it is only natural this happens. Again, Obama was the one who converted several closed Walmarts into detention centers and thousands of illegal children were in those centers, but the left did not complain back then even thou it made the news in mostly conservative sites. This happened during Obama's both terms...

Ironically it was an "Obama former official," Jon Favreau, who used a photo from 2014 of children in those cages and that "Obama official" blamed POTUS Trump for this... He also left out the date that/those photos were taken...

Obama officials rushed to explain photos from 2014 that went viral showing locked-up immigrant children — and Trump's facilities look the same

Back then as most of these people kept arriving I would guess the smell got worse and worse.

If people want this solved blame Congress POTUS Trump can't bypass Congress, like Obama did, and implement his own laws. Only Congress can do something about this and democrats have been the ones who don't want to change any laws or do anything... They simply blame POTUS Trump, and ICE for their own inability to do something about it. They just keep on blaming POTUS Trump...

edit on 23-6-2019 by ElectricUniverse because: add and correct comment.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: Onlyyouknow

Thank you for reminding posters that this isn't about budget issues. It's about this Administration seeking to violate the Flores Agreement.

If that is what you interpret from the article then so be it- are you dizzy from the spin?
The fact of the matter is this has been going on longer than just Trump. You posted the hearing while spinning it as if Trump is to blame for all of it.
This is the responsibility of congress to deal with as been the case for a very very long time.

Some in the congress are yelling it is Trump's " internment/ concentration camp"- I would ask; how long does one serve as a congress person without being culpable in said creation of "internment/concentration camp"? Is it 6months, 1 year, 2years, 10years, 20 years?

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations

Says you.....

Regardless of you opinion of people you don't know anything about, the facts remains the same.

You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.

Isn't a U.S. Embassy legally considered U.S. soil....and therefore, a great place to apply for asylum without risking your life (and the lives of those precious children) in a dangerous trek of thousands of miles?

a reply to: Onlyyouknow

The fact of the matter is this has been going on longer than just Trump. You posted the hearing while spinning it as if Trump is to blame for all of it.
This is the responsibility of congress to deal with as been the case for a very very long time.

Nope. You're the one twisting. The Trump Administration was in court to argue that they didn't have to provide soap and toothbrushes, showers clean clothes, beds and blankets to children in detention because it didn't violate their obligation under the Flores Settlement to ensure "safe and sanitary" condition for the children in their care.

This is not a budget issue, it's not matter of law that Congress needs to address. It's a matter of human rights.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
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You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.

It is when these people cross the border ILLEGALLY. You can claim asylum in your own country on any American embassy. Most of these people come illegally simply to work, and that is not a reason for seeking asylum. Others are fleeing justice from their own countries, such as murderers, rapists, etc...

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations

Says you.....

Regardless of you opinion of people you don't know anything about, the facts remains the same.

You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.

Isn't a U.S. Embassy legally considered U.S. soil....and therefore, a great place to apply for asylum without risking your life (and the lives of those precious children) in a dangerous trek of thousands of miles?

No, you cannot seek US asylum from a US embassy.

The United States does not grant asylum in its diplomatic premises abroad. Under U.S. law, the United States grants asylum only to aliens who are physically present in the United States.

it.usembassy.gov...

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States

www.uscis.gov...

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin

originally posted by: Fallingdown
The Liberals are using the welfare of children to their advantage again .

The way to end this mess is with a wall or permanent barrier .

Instead the Liberals would rather see children suffer .

We (the liberals....all of us) would like to state that we collectively agree that we believe that the mistreatment of children should be above partisan politics and that even the right should agree that children suffering is wrong regardless of politics.

We understand that this may be politically inconvenient for you lot but we would ask that you rise above the politics of this and call out the mistreatment of children regardless.

Yours kindly...

The collective hive mind that is "the liberals"

So, isn't the humane solution not to allow them into this country if they are destined to be treated worse the the fearful country they are fleeing?

Thanks for agreeing we need to stop them all at the border.

Kudos!

No we feel improving the conditions in these facilities would be the optimal solution.

I bet the conditions are fine when you have a normal amount of people to house. But we both know this is a manufactured crisis due to the caravans, to garner sympathy and support to abolish ICE and open the border for all.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations

Says you.....

Regardless of you opinion of people you don't know anything about, the facts remains the same.

You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.

Isn't a U.S. Embassy legally considered U.S. soil....and therefore, a great place to apply for asylum without risking your life (and the lives of those precious children) in a dangerous trek of thousands of miles?

No, you cannot seek US asylum from a US embassy.

The United States does not grant asylum in its diplomatic premises abroad. Under U.S. law, the United States grants asylum only to aliens who are physically present in the United States.

it.usembassy.gov...

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States

www.uscis.gov...

How about we try to change that law to include U.S. Embassies? It would save all those children from the dangerous journey's, and protect U.S. citizens from potential spread of disease when they get here (since they could be screened where they claim asylum).

I'd be OK with that type of legislation to protect the children, both outside and inside this country.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: mtnshredder

These are not people leaving because of life threatening situations

Says you.....

Regardless of you opinion of people you don't know anything about, the facts remains the same.

You must be on US soil to claim asylum, and claiming asylum is not be an illegal act, under federal law and international treaties.

Isn't a U.S. Embassy legally considered U.S. soil....and therefore, a great place to apply for asylum without risking your life (and the lives of those precious children) in a dangerous trek of thousands of miles?

No, you cannot seek US asylum from a US embassy.

The United States does not grant asylum in its diplomatic premises abroad. Under U.S. law, the United States grants asylum only to aliens who are physically present in the United States.

it.usembassy.gov...

To obtain asylum through the affirmative asylum process you must be physically present in the United States. You may apply for asylum status regardless of how you arrived in the United States or your current immigration status.
You must apply for asylum within one year of the date of their last arrival in the United States

www.uscis.gov...

How about we try to change that law to include U.S. Embassies? It would save all those children from the dangerous journey's, and protect U.S. citizens from potential spread of disease when they get here (since they could be screened where they claim asylum).

I'd be OK with that type of legislation to protect the children, both outside and inside this country.

Then we'd probably have a worse situation, with people setting up camps on the embassy grounds. And then we'd have public outcry about a facility that wasn't even meant to house a whole bunch of people, therefore we'd end up having to expand every embassy around the world to include that capability.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

It seems that it is rather you who keeps twisting the facts around to claim "POTUS Trump is bad...Orange man bad..."

Here is what POTUS Trump and his administration were arguing...

Flores agreement: Trump’s executive order to end family separation might run afoul of a 1997 court ruling

Getting rid of the requirement to let kids out of immigration custody quickly will take more than a stroke of the pen.
By Dara Lind and Dylan Scott

The solution to the crisis of family separation at the US-Mexico border, the Trump administration has decided, is to get rid of a 1997 federal court decision that strictly limits the government’s ability to keep children in immigration detention.

The administration has fingered Flores v. Reno, or the “Flores settlement,” as the reason it is “forced” to separate parents from their children to prosecute them. It claims that because it cannot keep parents and children in immigration detention together, it has no choice but to detain parents in immigration detention (after they’ve been criminally prosecuted for illegal entry) and send the children to the Department of Health and Human Services as “unaccompanied alien children.”
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www.vox.com...

Left-wingers like yourself kept demanding for children to be released, remember that many children are still being used for human trafficking, and several people have stolen children to claim as their own to seek asylum.

In fact it has been shown that the Obama administration released minors to human traffickers when this was occurring.

By Abbie VanSickle
January 28, 2016

The Obama administration failed to protect thousands of Central American children who have flooded across the U.S. border since 2011, leaving them vulnerable to traffickers and to abuses at the hands of government-approved caretakers, a Senate investigation has found.

The Office of Refugee Resettlement, an agency of the Department of Health and Human Services, failed to do proper background checks of adults who claimed the children, allowed sponsors to take custody of multiple unrelated children, and regularly placed children in homes without visiting the locations, according to a 56-page investigative report released Thursday.

And once the children left federally funded shelters, the report said, the agency permitted their adult sponsors to prevent caseworkers from providing them post-release services.
...

Obama administration placed children with human traffickers, report says

The following is from January 2016 BEFORE trump became POTUS...


Where were you complaining about this back then?... If you didn't complain back then stfu already and complain to your DEMOCRATS in Congress instead of keep trying to blame POTUS Trump...