Do you feel America is on the "moral" decline

I got to say something about "morals" first. When the children tell the parents they will call the police if they spank them, well, this is what I mean on the "moral decline" of America. Parents are afraid of their children just like adults are afraid of their govt. employees and the assholes that govern their daily life.

originally posted by: musicismagic
I got to say something about "morals" first. When the children tell the parents they will call the police if they spank them, well, this is what I mean on the "moral decline" of America. Parents are afraid of their children just like adults are afraid of their govt. employees and the assholes that govern their daily life.

So if parents are forced to search deeper than violence to steer poor behaviour then - incline not decline.

Parents are afraid of the repercussion not the child. - incline not decline.

Adults afraid of their government - definitely decline.

So on my take 2/3 incline in morals, 1/3 decine in morals.

Majority rules - or at least i think it still does. Unsure these days?

We can do alot better but we could be also doing alot worse.

My moral compass gives a slight win for now in regards to your question.

a reply to: musicismagic

America has had a moral decline on every level.

Sexual morals are gone.
Marriage morals are gone.
Parenting morals are gone.
Privacy morals are gone.
Behavioral morals are gone.

a reply to: musicismagic


We have been on a moral decline ever since we allowed psychologists (MIC, Medical Industrial Complex) and our so called education system to raise our children. I said it would all go to hell when parents were no longer allowed to give their kids a spanking and "everyone wins a trophy".

a reply to: musicismagic

Call them morals call them dogmas!

Compared to a budistic monk, we would all live very amoral!

Compared to a anarchist punk, we would all be standing on high moral ground.

Who defines the spectrum you use to mesure morality?

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: musicismagic
I got to say something about "morals" first. When the children tell the parents they will call the police if they spank them, well, this is what I mean on the "moral decline" of America. Parents are afraid of their children just like adults are afraid of their govt. employees and the assholes that govern their daily life.

So if parents are forced to search deeper than violence to steer poor behaviour then - incline not decline.

Parents are afraid of the repercussion not the child. - incline not decline.

What a load of crap. No matter how much you search, if the kid doesn't "fear" the parent, somewhere that parent has failed and that's a decline.

Parents shouldn't be afraid to discipline their children. If they do then that's a big decline.

originally posted by: musicismagic
I got to say something about "morals" first. When the children tell the parents they will call the police if they spank them, well, this is what I mean on the "moral decline" of America. Parents are afraid of their children just like adults are afraid of their govt. employees and the assholes that govern their daily life.

The moral decline comes from the wanton use of the military as always the first option. Maybe if the US would stop bombing other countries and close 1/2 of its 700+ foreign military bases, mind its own business, then maybe the rest of the government would do the same!

originally posted by: Telos

originally posted by: CthruU

originally posted by: musicismagic
I got to say something about "morals" first. When the children tell the parents they will call the police if they spank them, well, this is what I mean on the "moral decline" of America. Parents are afraid of their children just like adults are afraid of their govt. employees and the assholes that govern their daily life.

So if parents are forced to search deeper than violence to steer poor behaviour then - incline not decline.

Parents are afraid of the repercussion not the child. - incline not decline.

What a load of crap. No matter how much you search, if the kid doesn't "fear" the parent, somewhere that parent has failed and that's a decline.

Parents shouldn't be afraid to discipline their children. If they do then that's a big decline.

Please don't even start with me on this one,- i came from a very very violent home and i can assure you if it wasn't for divine intervention i would be a chip of the old block.
Violence teaches a child this is how you deal with problems that the mind can't deal with. Then society says this is how we deal with you when your violence spills out of the home into the community. "Moral decline"

Parents can discipline their children many ways other than violence.
Violence is never ok when trying to raise young minds - From an adult/parent that is.

The child should not "fear" the parent - the child should respect the parent.


The only "load of crap" here is your caveman mentality. Don't ever talk to me again. You hear.

I feel like the liberal left has moved to an, in your face, stance on low to no morality of late. The average guy doesn’t care one way or the other about gays, lesbians, transgenders or queers, or who’s sleeping with who. We just don’t care. We don’t care if people poop on the streets of California. We don’t care if drug users and junkies kill themselves.

The last straw is open borders and live birth abortion. That has awakened a sleeping giant. It’s pure Americana. Don’t mess with the flag or our kids or we will kill you. Jonny Cash said it best, “Burn a flag in front of me and I’ll shoot you.” I feel just like he does and even stronger about kids.

To the point that live and let live Americans have had enough. I think in general morality is slightly on the rise. But that could be just me.

originally posted by: Nickn3
I feel like the liberal left has moved to an, in your face, stance on low to no morality of late. The average guy doesn’t care one way or the other about gays, lesbians, transgenders or queers, or who’s sleeping with who. We just don’t care. We don’t care if people poop on the streets of California. We don’t care if drug users and junkies kill themselves.

I don't think average Democrats care either. Homosexuality is a wedge issue like abortion. Contrary to popular misconceptions, the media is owned by Republicans not Democrats. And the Republican owners will say anything in order to create outrage. Outrage equals ratings and ratings equals money. Just like abortion, right wingers start frothing at the mouth when homosexual rights are discussed. It gets good ratings and it gets people to come out and vote for Republicans. What better way to stay in power than to use wedge issues to get out the vote?

The media companies play the American people like a fiddle. It's all about creating fake outrage because outrage makes money.

originally posted by: musicismagic
I got to say something about "morals" first. When the children tell the parents they will call the police if they spank them, well, this is what I mean on the "moral decline" of America. Parents are afraid of their children just like adults are afraid of their govt. employees and the assholes that govern their daily life.

A recent experience with the results of this: Upon picking up the oldest grandkid to spend part of the summer each year the first week is spent straightening out her false belief that she is in charge because at home she is not disciplined, or at least not consistently, and the "rules" are merely suggestions that are not enforced. The first week here this summer she was mouthing off to my husband and he threatened to whip her behind (something he has never done) and she threatened to call child protective services to which he replied "Call them, here's my phone- I'll whip their @$$ too!" The look on her face was priceless but the change in her attitude even more so! We demand respect from her and that she follow our rules and within days she is like a completely different child and is much happier with rules and a regular routine. She changes from an angry, disrespectful, spoiled brat to a delightful, well mannered and kind hearted child. Kids are very flexible and behave how they are expected to. Too many parents want to be their children's "friend" rather than do the hard job of parenting and too many grandparents are afraid that if they don't follow the parent's guidelines they will be cut of from their grandkids. We aren't playing that game!

Also, the govt can suck it too!

Is it moral to "mind your own Goddamn business"?

My kids tried that approach on me. I handed them the phone and said, "See you later. Have fun living with another family." And I was dead serious. I will NEVER let a child manipulate me. Adults do enough of that as it is.

originally posted by: olaru12
Is it moral to "mind your own Goddamn business"?

I think that depends on the situation. I think some people have bad ideas when it comes to that.

originally posted by: musicismagic
When the children tell the parents they will call the police if they spank them, well, this is what I mean on the "moral decline" of America. Parents are afraid of their children just like adults are afraid of their govt. employees and the assholes that govern their daily life.

It's the fear of the parents which is the real problem. I'm pretty sure every kid makes the same threat once they know it's a thing. It's all about how the parents handle it.

My kids threatened to call protective services on me... I literally handed them the receiver and told them go for it. I told them that I'd tell CPS exactly what my kids were doing and why I was disciplining them... they chose not to call. When my son was 14 and took off against my expressed wishes, I told him to get his ass home within half an hour or I was calling protective services! If he didn't want to live by my rules, he could live by theirs. He decided the devil he knows (me!) was better than the devil he didn't know. He was home in 20 minutes.

As a society, we no longer have shared values and principles. Folks just make up the rules as they go along, according to their whims and druthers.... When parents don't have strong principles and values to instill in their children, then they let themselves be manipulated by their kids. And kids can be amazing manipulators!

a reply to: CthruU

I am sorry for what has happened in your past.

But I will give you this example.

My kid bit me hard at around the age of 18 months old. I bit back just enough to make it hurt. The look of mistrust from my kid was horrifying. Did my kid bite me after that, no. Did my kid learn empathy, yes. Did my kid learn there are consequences for actions, yes. Do we still have a loving and trusting relationship, yes. Because I worked at being a good parent, not a friend. Would I do it over again, yes. Would my actions work with every child, no.

There is a moral decline. As society has moved further left, we are accepting more and more debauchery, alternative lifestyles, and other cultural depravity that is being normalized.

Social media has also made people more narcissistic as well.

I don't really have high hopes for society to be honest.

I've always tried to be kind to others and treat people the way I want to be treated. However, I am finding a not so insignificant number of people only care about themselves.

originally posted by: Edumakated
There is a moral decline. As society has moved further left, we are accepting more and more debauchery, alternative lifestyles, and other cultural depravity that is being normalized.

Social media has also made people more narcissistic as well.

I don't really have high hopes for society to be honest.

I've always tried to be kind to others and treat people the way I want to be treated. However, I am finding a not so insignificant number of people only care about themselves.

We have also accepted participation trophies, parents telling kids that there is no such thing as losing, emotional support X where X is anything from a cat to a potato , generations being raised thinking their are no consequences to actions because all they need to do is go to social media or cry loud enough and the world caves. Where being competitive , driven, motivated to win is viewed at as a negative thing.

Good times.

a reply to: Edumakated

Social media has also made people more narcissistic as well.

It's all an offshoot of Capitalism. I see nothing wrong with entrepreneurs and established corps. trying to make more money thru media platforms.

Would you rather have government regulate what is moral and what is depraved; Judeo/Christian dogma or gtfo...

a reply to: opethPA

The promise to bail people out as campaign slogans.