Dems' Agenda: Kill Jobs; Pander to Freeloaders

I guess you could say the 2020 political game has been ramped up another notch after Trump's well attended Orlando rally last night. At present I do not see a viable run against Trump due to the stated DNC platform. More federal taxes, open borders, Green new deal, and sanctuary cities just ain't gonna get it done this time around IMO. I could be wrong and it would not be the first time but I darn sure called the 2016 election if not aloud at least to myself..

Nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, including front-runners Joe Biden, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, flocked to the Poor People's Moral Action Congress on Monday, each trying to outpander their rivals and promise the most government handouts.

It was an alarming spectacle for anyone who works for a living. These Democratic candidates don't believe jobs are the way to end poverty. For them, "work" is a four-letter word. Their approach is to take money from working stiffs and give it to slackers.

What planet are these creatures from ?

A shocking three-quarters of able-bodied food stamp recipients with no children to care for still don't work, even part time.

One of the problems mankind faces is we have done away with natural selection in many cases. Now the lazy or just plain stupid (maybe smarter than us folks who worked all our lives) have government subsidized everything so why work ? Considering government has nothing to give unless it takes from someone else I kinda think the system sucks.

Monday's poverty extravaganza was led by agitators claiming to be disciples of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. They're distorting King's message. The organizers demand that Uncle Sam guarantee everyone an annual income, free college, free health care for all and a "decent house to live in." They claim these are "rights." So does Sanders.

I love stupidity in all its glory.. as I walk on down the road not even mumbling to myself.
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a reply to: 727Sky

I just don’t understand.

If you have a population that doesn’t work, where do they think the money they receive comes from?

Sadly, we live in an entitlement society now. A precursor for their communist take-over.

a reply to: 727Sky

UBI is a great idea. Here presidential candidate Andrew Yang explains why:



The argument is based on the idea with AI and self-driving trucks millions of workers will not have jobs. If automation and productivity is so high what are workers going to do? I get the Republican message is always "so what, let people starve." But if you want to have a strong economy the "customers" then the income has come from somewhere!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: 727Sky
I just don’t understand.
If you have a population that doesn’t work, where do they think the money they receive comes from?

Money is medium of exchange. You do know the government prints money. Here, this video will help you understand:



It explains the history of money in this country. It really makes no difference if we have UBI. All the money is going to flow back to the billionaires and shareholders anyway. Money always flows to the nearest drain.

a reply to: dfnj2015

You might as well be talking to a wall. If it isn't a zero sum right wing policy with a defined "loser" the people here aren't going to listen to you.

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: dfnj2015

You might as well be talking to a wall. If it isn't a zero sum right wing policy with a defined "loser" the people here aren't going to listen to you.

You are probably right. The idea of enlightened self-interests doesn't play anymore. Having customers is no longer interesting to the Republicans who are most likely business owners or shareholders. I think Republicans are more interested in sadism, leverage, dominating people in poverty than anything else because its fun.

a reply to: underwerks

There will always be winners and losers in society.

What you and others espouse is an equal outcome which is unobtainable because not all people are the same.

I’m quickly approaching retirement, after working my 45+ year. I hope I can get some of that free money. If Its like every other federal program, I’m sure I won’t qualify for one reason or another.

When they rolled out Obama care, I didn’t qualify because I previously had insurance and I made to much money since my wife and I both work full time. So far I’ve run a business for 37 years and we, as a business never qualify for anything helpful. I either make to much, or I’m the wrong colour, or I wasn’t a veteran.

I don’t expect any new programs to help me either. Frankly, I wish the Federal Government would just leave me the hell alone.

a reply to: dfnj2015

The argument is based on the idea with AI and self-driving trucks millions of workers will not have jobs. If automation and productivity is so high what are workers going to do?

True but we ain't there yet. The people who shunned a basic education and can not hold a job but can sure hold on to a job of receiving welfare are the problem not the ones who lose their jobs due to automation or people trying to get back on their feet.. We now have generations of welfare Kings and Queens of all colors and races..

I agree who are going to buy products if no one has any money because they have no job or inflation eats away your saving so that a loaf of bread cost more than people can make in a month; Venezuela comes to mind and if that is not good enough look at Denmark and their socialized everything and taxes; even the laid back French said enough and took to the streets.. ..

Pretty bad now for the working poor in many cases but what are you going to do ? Take from Peter to give to Paul ? Makes Paul very happy no doubt but there will come a time when Peter says "no more, I think I will just sit back and do nothing too". That is absolutely why communism has failed every place it has been tried unless highly modified like China has done by giving semi free enterprise a chance.....

Oh I left off the illegals (20 or 30 million residing in the states by some estimates) ......they are getting drivers licenses in some states and California is saying health care for all illegal or not.. So... we can not give money to residents without giving to the new arrivals, that's just mean !!...illegals are sucking billions of tax dollars every year out of what the politicians call a budget.. When I grew up a budget was what you had to spend.. in today's world when it comes to the government it is just another word to use when they do not want to do something.. Social security is going bankrupt supposedly yet money for welfare and illegals just keeps flowing like a mighty river... probably because they are afraid of the underprivileged population going bananas and causing a mess.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: dfnj2015

You might as well be talking to a wall. If it isn't a zero sum right wing policy with a defined "loser" the people here aren't going to listen to you.

You are probably right. The idea of enlightened self-interests doesn't play anymore. Having customers is no longer interesting to the Republicans who are most likely business owners or shareholders. I think Republicans are more interested in sadism, leverage, dominating people in poverty than anything else because its fun.

I’m a Republican, I don’t own a business; and I’ve worked most of my life in many different fields.

I’ve also had the misfortune of having to apply for food stamps when my ex decided drugs were his new family.

I have to tell you, I hated it. Constant filling out forms, bad looks at the checkout stand. Quite frankly, it was degrading.

I looked for jobs for over a year with only one bite; a surgeon who needed a transcriber for Med records. I scored 100 on the online test and the HR woman couldn’t wait to meet me until she heard my address. A homeless shelter!

All I wanted was a job, and to be able to crawl out of that hole.

Thanks to President Trumps’ new policies, I and many people I know who couldn’t find a job are now employed, no longer need food stamps and my company has a great insurance plan.

Nothing is for free; somebody is paying for it.

a reply to: 727Sky

As machines replace people there will be free money.

It's about time we discuss the actual future on our doorsteps.

AI, AGI, human genetic engineering, and human computer integration is starting. Within 15 -30 years the world is not going to be the same place.

What about when robotics take up half or more of the armed services?

Frankly the only Democrats who get this are andrew yang and tulsi gabbard. The rest of them are doing the throw money at the base trick. Same one Republicans do with tax cuts while deficit spending.


Folks the tribes aren't going to help solve the real problems coming. If you stay in your tribe you have a much higher chance of waking up one day to find skynet has been created through Google and the government controlling all the tech, and the wealthy being the only ones with access to human genetic engineering for disease control and things like higher IQ.


Most politicians are very far behind reality. Yang seems to be the only person who gets it. His solutions are debatable but the discussion is real. That is how he gets tucker Carlson or Neil cavuto interested.

originally posted by: 727Sky
a reply to: dfnj2015

The argument is based on the idea with AI and self-driving trucks millions of workers will not have jobs. If automation and productivity is so high what are workers going to do?

True but we ain't there yet. The people who shunned a basic education and can not hold a job but can sure hold on to a job of receiving well fare are the problem not the ones who lose their jobs due to automation or people trying to get back on their feet.. We now have generations of well fare Kings and Queens of all colors and races..

I agree who are going to buy products if no one has any money because they have no job or inflation eats away your saving so that a loaf of bread cost more than people can make in a month; Venezuela comes to mind and if that is not good enough look at Denmark and their socialized everything and taxes; even the laid back French said enough and took to the streets.. ..

Pretty bad now for the working poor in many cases but what are you going to do ? Take from Peter to give to Paul ? Makes Paul very happy no doubt but there will come a time when Peter says "no more, I think I will just sit back and do nothing too". That is absolutely why communism has failed every place it has been tried unless highly modified like China has done by giving semi free enterprise a chance.....

With the pace of government it may as well be right now. Waiting until it's too late is a terrible idea and it will be well....too late.

Ubi is the only libertarianish safety net because everyone gets it. You loose your job you still have monthly income to say move to a new area with a new job, have start up money while working your regular to develop a business idea, etc..

Plus it's requires no bureaucracy everyone gets it. No other benefits..yang also wants to move away from income tax and use consumption tax. This would also allow black market labor to pay in the same...

a reply to: dfnj2015

Machines have been replacing people in the workforce since before I was even born. It's called innovation and new jobs will be created as they always have been.

I don't agree with a UBI. Somebody is paying for it whether you want to admit to it or not, that's a fact. So where does all the money come from? Plus what about that elephant in the room called inflation?

originally posted by: KTemplar

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: underwerks
a reply to: dfnj2015

You might as well be talking to a wall. If it isn't a zero sum right wing policy with a defined "loser" the people here aren't going to listen to you.

You are probably right. The idea of enlightened self-interests doesn't play anymore. Having customers is no longer interesting to the Republicans who are most likely business owners or shareholders. I think Republicans are more interested in sadism, leverage, dominating people in poverty than anything else because its fun.

I’m a Republican, I don’t own a business; and I’ve worked most of my life in many different fields.

I’ve also had the misfortune of having to apply for food stamps when my ex decided drugs were his new family.

I have to tell you, I hated it. Constant filling out forms, bad looks at the checkout stand. Quite frankly, it was degrading.

I looked for jobs for over a year with only one bite; a surgeon who needed a transcriber for Med records. I scored 100 on the online test and the HR woman couldn’t wait to meet me until she heard my address. A homeless shelter!

All I wanted was a job, and to be able to crawl out of that hole.

Thanks to President Trumps’ new policies, I and many people I know who couldn’t find a job are now employed, no longer need food stamps and my company has a great insurance plan.

Nothing is for free; somebody is paying for it.

I agree with this philosophy but I have had to change my opinion based on working with automation. I only use basic cnc coding but I have been very involved because of my investments in ethereum and block chain tech.

If a machine makes a machine by their own design and we created AGI the economy is not so black and white as nothing is free.

We need to have the debates now as to how to advance democrarically through this. All the infighting between parties is only going to allow a hunger games like situation to evolve.

a reply to: dfnj2015

I think Republicans are more interested in sadism, leverage, dominating people in poverty than anything else because its fun.

The democrats are actually the ones who want to keep people in poverty. It's a travesty how they manipulate the poor.

Some examples:
California's Poverty Is Due To Democrat Policies

But California keeps pursuing policies that raise the cost of living and keep poor people poor. The state is famous for its home building restrictions, which makes its housing costs the highest in the nation


How Democrats Create and Sustain Poverty

The facts speak for themselves. Detroit, a city long dominated by allegedly compassionate Democrats who have championed labor unions, is in total economic chaos. The only thing Detroit seems to lead the nation in is murder rates, arson, and having some of the most depressed citizens.

originally posted by: Middleoftheroad
a reply to: dfnj2015

Machines have been replacing people in the workforce since before I was even born. It's called innovation and new jobs will be created as they always have been.

I don't agree with a UBI. Somebody is paying for it whether you want to admit to it or not, that's a fact. So where does all the money come from? Plus what about that elephant in the room called inflation?

That is true. We also have labor day because of the riots and billions in damage that happened in a time similar to now.

Machines have never taken jobs this quickly. The danger is the economy doesn't have time to adapt.

We are also talking about all jobs. lawyers, dr's etc..not just factories and truckers. AI is a new concept that hasn't existed in this state your whole life. Now AI can see better than humans so things like radiology will be replaced by machines shortly.

I don't think you have realized the speed of change.

a reply to: luthier


I agree this is worrisome, and that real discussion needs to take place, but I’m pretty sure the majority of the Dems aren’t mature enough to think that far ahead, or have an actual civil discussion about it.

a reply to: ColeYounger

This has been true since LBJ. However capitalism destroyed Detroit. Many other mill towns as well. It's also going to automate most jobsout of the economy faster than we can adapt.

I haven't heard a single Republican explain the actual future, many seem to think we can return to the past.

There are two Democrats tulsi gabbard and andrew yang at least talking about the real future. I am not agree with their solutions but that is why debate is important to hash it all out. If you already decide not to listen because of a party that is tribalism.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: underwerks

There will always be winners and losers in society.

You guys need to realize that other people winning doesn't mean you lose.

a reply to: KTemplar

I agree fully but neither are Republicans.

Yang and gabbard are at least talking about it. Of coarse the party doesnt respect them but yang made the debates so hopefully helps progress the discussion

I also want to say I don't know the ubi can work and I don't know about gabbard or yang solutions..I just want the debate. A civil one.

Check out ben shapiro and andrew yang on the Ben shapiro show. It's a civil discussion on these issues and they do not agree on many. Yet they debate and allow room for real discussion.