Trying to resolve 9/11

a reply to: democracydemo

And why is there any doubt high explosives working on steel would create vibration and movement? Especially when it’s known pressure waves do travel through solids.

Care to argue about you crap paper anymore? To con people people for attention?

Thought about it some more. Hell, the sound of striking a steel drum or a glockenspiel by hand can be quite detectable.

www.911facts.dk...

Looks like a well compiled website discussing a lot of the issues around 9/11. Have not been through it all, contains a lot of sources and links for those still trying to resolve it.

The obvious question is how?

a reply to: orourkeda

The obvious question is how?

I found the testimony from Cathy O'Brien, 'Transformation of America' as an entry point into this madness. Brice Taylor, 'Thanks for the memories' is a similar angle. There are many others with similar stories when getting into it. These books do describe the culture that has allowed an event like 9/11 to go the way it did. It does get dark, does go deep and has a lot of history behind it. While this darkness continues to lurk in the shadows, events like Covid and the stole USA election are no surprise.

a reply to: kwakakev

You mean like Middle East counties, religion, and private individuals funded, trained, and use political clout to get suicide teams in the United States to cause death and destruction kamikaze style?


There has never been any history of people willing to die kamikaze style. Only if there was a word for individuals willing to die for a religious fanatic state by flying aircraft into things...

a reply to: neutronflux

There has never been any history of people willing to die kamikaze style.

Maybe try reading a book on Pearl Harbor. While you are at it, get your hands on a grinder and see how it makes metal shavings rather than iron micro spheres. Try using a welder while at it and see how it makes metal blobs rather than iron micro spheres.

But if the facts are too much, carry on...

a reply to: kwakakev

You

Maybe try reading a book on Pearl Harbor.

Maybe actually study the video, audio, photographic, physical evidence, and seismic evidence of the WTC. And that it holds no evidence of planted pyrotechnics bringing down the WTC.

Everything from no demolition shrapnel recovered from the 19,000 body fragments of the WTC victims. 6,000 that could fit into in test tubes. No indication that there was hundreds of 3000 degree Fahrenheit fires from the ridiculous fantasy hundreds of thermite charges were planted. No indication there were explosions with the force to cut steel columns. To controlled demolition systems would not survive the jet impacts, being hit by debris, and the wide spread fires.

Try using a welder while at it and see how it makes metal blobs rather than iron micro spheres.

Oh. Welding does make iron microspheres. As does grinding steel. As does burning powered iron used as in iron oxide in paints and primers

Iron microspheres are not exclusive to thermite.

a reply to: kwakakev

By the way. WTC 5 does prove the WTC building were susceptible to fire related failures and structural collapse...

a reply to: kwakakev

Funny I directly invoke actual WTC evidence.

You avoid it, and dwell in shadowy innuendo. While covering for people like Richard Gage who con people to exploit 9/11 for fame and profit from a target audience that cannot discern truth from fiction.

originally posted by: neutronflux
a reply to: kwakakev

By the way. WTC 5 does prove the WTC building were susceptible to fire related failures and structural collapse...

WTC5 was showered with debris from the towers. So there is no way of telling the finds in your pictures are fire related. If a element was already loosened when hit, it may not take much to break it, when the same area on fire.

We have plenty of images and videos and WTC5 was blazing with fire on every floor unlike seven. And aftermath you can see the girders (red) are sagging. Columns are all there undamaged by the fire still providing support to the load of the building. We have real time evidence from 9/11, that fire does not bring down an entire building made of steel.

No plane hit building seven walls. There no jet fuel increasing temperatures inside the building. We can talk all day about
what potentially may have occurred at the towers. The facts are obvious, a controlled demolition on 9/11 occurred at seven, then you have a problem with the official theory for all three buildings. It would have worked out well for them if they left seven alone, but the #ed up big time. Of course the people who have copped on to this fakery are few and the majority, the media, and global system maintain nothing odd happened at all. We living a fake history. Only touched US military lives, US economy, and the middle east and its people and thankfully not the whole world. Someone out there in the worlds knows the truth and has knowledge, but we not in the need to know, and whatever they are now, they're not blabbling. Secret kept for 18 years so we probably wasting time discussing it. Human mind curious about things they don't know, so 9/11 will likely be debated in 2030 still and beyond?

a reply to: Hulseyreport

You

No plane hit building seven walls.

Debris from WTC twin towers hit 7 like WTC 5.

What does that have to do with fire related failures.

No explosives/pyrotechnics were used in WTC 7 either.

There no jet fuel increasing temperatures inside the building.

Building was full of computable material. So?

You

The facts are obvious, a controlled demolition on 9/11 occurred at seven,

Not supported by the evidence.

Again...


Everything from no demolition shrapnel recovered from the 19,000 body fragments of the WTC victims. 6,000 that could fit into in test tubes. No indication that there was hundreds of 3000 degree Fahrenheit fires from the ridiculous fantasy hundreds of thermite charges were planted. No indication there were explosions with the force to cut steel columns. To controlled demolition systems would not survive the jet impacts, being hit by debris, and the wide spread fires.


What do you not understand a demolition system is not going to survive hours of fires in WTC 7. Not the wiring, not the computer boards fir remote detonators.

The rest of your babble has nothing to do with the actual video, audio, photographic, physical, seismic evidence at the WTC.

The only why to cut steel by explosives is by cutting with a pressure wave with the force to cut steel columns that would result in obvious atmospheric transients, seismic waves, and audio waves indicate of pressure waves with the force to cut steel columns.

Again. For thermite. It burns too slow and to inconsistent to fit your fantasy CD. With no evidence of what, 600 charges starting 600 fires burning at 3000 degrees Fahrenheit.

How many charges were required for your fantasy CD where the controlled demolition system would have never survived being hit by debris from the twin towers, and hours of wide spread fires.

a reply to: Hulseyreport

You

We have plenty of images and videos and WTC5 was blazing with fire on every floor unlike seven. And aftermath you can see the girders (red) are sagging. Columns are all there undamaged by the fire still providing support to the load of the building. We have real time evidence from 9/11, that fire does not bring down an entire building made of steel

I just literally posted a picture of a buckled column. And floor connection failures caused by fires / thermal stress.

Enough floor connection failures along a column in WTC 7, that column will, and did, lose lateral support and buckle. Which caused / lead to the penthouse falling into WTC 7, and the internal progressive collapse of WTC 7 before the facade stated to move.

a reply to: Hulseyreport

Posted this already.

Again. For thermite. It burns too slow and to inconsistent to fit your fantasy CD. With no evidence of what, 600 charges starting 600 fires burning at 3000 degrees Fahrenheit.

How many charges were required for your fantasy CD where the controlled demolition system would have never survived being hit by debris from the twin towers, and hours of wide spread fires.

Added this.


And....
If termite burns slow, and makes molten melt. The columns under load pressing down in your fantasy cuts, the load is going to shove the molten cuts together. The cuts are going to cold weld together as the molten metal cools and resolidifies during the long duration of the cuts.

Even in normal implosions using explosives, kicker charges are used to misaligned columns. I would think kicker charges that would make a loud bang, and distinctive audio / pressure waves would be very important to misaligned columns cut by thermite.

So? That’s something like 600 thermite charges, and now 600 kicker charges to misaligned columns for your WTC 7 false mythology. A highly complicated and controlled demolition system that would need split second timing who’s required integrity would never have survived being hit by debris from the twin towers, and the hours of wide spread fires.

a reply to: neutronflux

Thanks neutronflux for engaging in this this discussion, your perspective has made me question many things and gain a clearer understanding of events. I do disagree with a lot of what you have said over the years, but listened to a lot of it and has helped sharpen some understandings.

Most importantly you have helped forge my moral fiber. Calling out the big scary deep state does leave a trail of destruction. Perhaps I will be chewed out by this machine eventually? You may be protected by legislation at this time. How protected are you from the repercussions of your actions? If there is an everlasting life, this is where I see it.

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

Thanks neutronflux for engaging in this this discussion, your perspective has made me question many things and gain a clearer understanding of events. I do disagree with a lot of what you have said over the years, but listened to a lot of it and has helped sharpen some understandings.

Most importantly you have helped forge my moral fiber. Calling out the big scary deep state does leave a trail of destruction. Perhaps I will be chewed out by this machine eventually? You may be protected by legislation at this time. How protected are you from the repercussions of your actions? If there is an everlasting life, this is where I see it.

What does that have to do with you using lies from truth movement cons that exploit 9/11 for profit to create a false mythology.

Quote where I said trust anyone. Especially government.

So another certified false argument by you,

a reply to: kwakakev

Are you saying middle eastern governments are less deep state-ish and less murderous than governments throughout history?

a reply to: kwakakev


here in 2021, after the deep-state co-opted the executive branch/presidency...
the 'transformation of USA is reinvigorated under Biden... and he is refocusing the transformation of the USA military into Obama's Social Change Force (instead of war or peacekeeping focus)


see: endoftheamericandream.com...

title: Let’s Compare The U.S. Military To The Russian Military And The Chinese Military…
March 9, 2021 by Michael Snyder

snip:

A couple decades ago, the U.S. military was an unparalleled fighting machine.

Both Russia and China seemed hopelessly behind, and nobody dared to challenge America’s military superiority. Everyone else was battling for second place in the pecking order, and they knew it.

But since that time, Russia and China have engaged in extremely aggressive modernization programs, while the U.S. military has chosen to focus on becoming more “diverse” and “inclusive”. As a result, the balance of power has changed dramatically. ...

so, with the defanging of military by democrat socialist-progressives, the warhawks/ neocons/4th Reich... who spurred on the 911 operation are hanging out to dry today

a reply to: neutronflux

Are you saying middle eastern governments are less deep state-ish and less murderous than governments throughout history?

The Middle East has its problems and issues similar to many other parts of the world. When we go to war based on lies and misinformation I do have concerns in just how effective any actions are. Sure some bad people are no longer with us. Just how effective have these military campaigns been as they have tended to exploit these nations weakness rather than help lift them out of their troubles?

originally posted by: kwakakev
a reply to: neutronflux

Are you saying middle eastern governments are less deep state-ish and less murderous than governments throughout history?

The Middle East has its problems and issues similar to many other parts of the world. When we go to war based on lies and misinformation I do have concerns in just how effective any actions are. Sure some bad people are no longer with us. Just how effective have these military campaigns been as they have tended to exploit these nations weakness rather than help lift them out of their troubles?

So what does that have to do with middle eastern countries and religious institutions still use terrorism to this day?