Mueller To Make Statement Today

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: yuppa

Nope, that's news to me. Isn't Mueller a Republican?

So? They got dirt on him somewhere from his FBI days. How hard is it to grasp the R is a cover?

Honestly, I don't know
what you're trying to say? Are you saying that the Mueller report is all lies, because Mueller has been compromised by Democrats, because of something secret in his past?

Okay, if you say so

a reply to: Sookiechacha

"" were capable of ""

"" outside of usual channels ""

"" with the potential to ""

All "Generalized Supposition" like a corn dog with an empty stick 😆

a reply to: Sookiechacha

this

were capable of

is not a crime

this

use his official power outside of usual channels

is not a crime

this

attempted

is not a crime

all of these are why mueller did not issue a referal
funny you left this part out

"Consistent with that pattern, the evidence we obtained would not support potential obstruction charges against the President's aides and associates beyond those already filed," Mueller wrote in the report.

what part of "would not support POTENTIAL obstruction charges" do you not get?
not even POTENTIAL charges let alone actual charges

there is nothing there
THAT is why your dems wont impeach

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

"Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations"...

"The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels,..."

"These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General 's recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony."

www.nbcnews.com...

You ever just bitch or vent over something? That is all trump was doing. The case was never stopped or slowed.

a reply to: shooterbrody

"Endeavoring" to obstruct an investigation is a crime. Trump tried to obstruct the Mueller investigation. Even Bill admits that. Barr is not arguing that nothing happened, he's arguing Trump's intent was not corrupt.

a reply to: xuenchen

If you want to look under the hood of the "Generalized Supposition", read the report. It's all clearly outlined.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Sookiechacha

Nadler is Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee 🤓

Right. Sorry. I got my committees mixed up. Nadler's committee wants the unredacted report,

Then petition the court. They have access to everything but the grand jury information. Can you show me any indication at all that they have actually filed a petition to get it as opposed to trying to frame Barr as "obstructing" their investigation?

testimony from Barr, McGahn and others, to clear up questions left unanswered by the report. 

Well they could always subpoena Mueller and get it from the horse's mouth, but I guess it is more fun to pretend they have never heard of executive privilege. Any indication they have filed in a federal court to fight a battle over privilege or subpoena Barr? Or has it all been three months of pure grandstanding and obfuscation?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

"Our investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations, including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations"...

"The incidents were often carried out through one-on-one meetings in which the President sought to use his official power outside of usual channels,..."

"These actions ranged from efforts to remove the Special Counsel and to reverse the effect of the Attorney General 's recusal; to the attempted use of official power to limit the scope of the investigation; to direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony."

www.nbcnews.com...

You ever just bitch or vent over something? That is all trump was doing. The case was never stopped or slowed.

Of course not. These people are #ing robots.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
Articles of Impeachment need to be written.

Yes, again, please do! Make the 2020 landslide even greater!

There's the information in the Mueller report

Yep - no collusion/conspiracy, and no criminal referrals for obstruction or anything else.

and then there's the investigations and cases that were spawned from the Mueller investigation. For instance, President Trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in a NYSD election finance case,

Yawn... so you all keep saying. Wake me up when the prosecutors actually say so themselves and move forward.

and there's the allegations that Trump falsified tax and banking records from Michael Cohen, that still need to be investigated.

The IRS has its own CID, I'm sure if there is anything to it they are on it. All Congress has to do is ask.

But, financial document subpoenas are being blocked.

Ummm... you seem to be oblivious to the fact that it is not Congress' job to investigate crimes. What they should be doing is asking the IRS if there is a criminal investigation of Trump going on, and if so, get the details for their impeachment inquiry.

All Congress can do is impeach - or not.

I say, if you feel froggy...

There's also open cases involving his charities, his inauguration funds and "Emolument Clause" violation allegation that are in the courts.

So? Again, it isn't Congress' job to conduct criminal investigations, they are only intended to engage in oversight, and that only for legislative purposes.

Plus, Trump keeps committing impeachable acts almost daily.

Yeah, so you all keep saying - without providing any evidence in support except 'orange man bad'.

a reply to: RadioRobert

Well they could always subpoena Mueller and get it from the horse's mouth,

In this case, Mueller is not the "horse's mouth". Mueller is the interviewer, the report writer. The horse's mouths are the people who provided testimony. Congress want's to speak directly to the witnesses and see the documents that they submitted to Mueller.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Ummm... you seem to be oblivious to the fact that it is not Congress' job to investigate crimes.

Numerous Congressional members and legal teams disagree with your assessment of the constitutional authority and duties of Congress and how they assert them.

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: shooterbrody

"Endeavoring" to obstruct an investigation is a crime. Trump tried to obstruct the Mueller investigation. Even Bill admits that. Barr is not arguing that nothing happened, he's arguing Trump's intent was not corrupt.

That is because Barr is being honest in appraising the allegation. Trump speaking to his counsel and others in his administration about his frustration is not obstruction. More so, since he had not committed a crime! I would be frustrated as well.

Even if Mueller was fired, it would not have obstructed the investigation. Another would have filled the role as Special Counsel and the investigation would have been proceeding unobstructed. Mueller was not single-handedly doing this investigation all alone.

Edit add: also, Trump requesting McGahn to set the record straight is not asking him to lie. It was asking him to clarify the truth since there was misunderstandings.

a reply to: Sookiechacha

"Endeavoring" to obstruct an investigation is a crime.

uh no it is not
you are incorrect

Barr is not arguing that nothing happened, he's arguing Trump's intent was not corrupt.

arguing with who?
barr is arguing with no one
barr made the determination
you are attempting to have an argument about a decision the AG made based on a report mueller collected

good luck inventing a crime that did not occur

Attorney General Barr is perplexed by Bob Mueller's thought process.

Yesterday he said that he can't understand why Mueller didn't reach a conclusion/decision on Trump criminal activity in his Russia-Trump report. Mueller's explanation wasn't logical.

More dissent revealed today:

Attorney General Bill Barr said in an interview that aired Friday that he does not agree with "a lot of the legal analysis" inside Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report and said it does “not reflect the views” of the Justice Department, the latest break between President Trump's attorney general and leader of the Russia probe.

Source: www.foxnews.com...

a reply to: shooterbrody

Obstruction of justice in the federal courts is governed by a series of criminal statutes (18 U.S.C.A. §§ 1501–1517), which aim to protect the integrity of federal judicial proceedings as well as agency and congressional proceedings. Section 1503 is the primary vehicle for punishing those who obstruct or who endeavor to obstruct federal judicial proceedings.
….
Besides these specific prohibitions, section 1503 contains the Omnibus Clause, which states that a person who "corruptly or by threats of force, or by threatening letter or communication, influences, obstructs, or impedes, or endeavors to influence, obstruct, or impede, the due administration of justice" is guilty of the crime of obstruction of justice. This clause offers broad protection to the "due administration of justice." Federal courts have read this clause expansively to proscribe any conduct that interferes with the judicial process.
...
Two types of cases arise under the Omnibus Clause: the concealment, alteration, or destruction of documents; and the encouraging or rendering of false testimony. Actual obstruction is not needed as an element of proof to sustain a conviction. The defendant's endeavor to obstruct justice is sufficient. "Endeavor" has been defined by the courts as an effort to accomplish the purpose the statute was enacted to prevent. The courts have consistently held that "endeavor" constitutes a lesser threshold of purposeful activity than a criminal "attempt."

legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Funny he says that now.
When Mueller can't go back and change his report.

a reply to: Sillyolme

that is what bosses do
funny you cant grasp the fact that mueller is not the be all end all bobby 2 sticks you wanted him to be

he did jack squat

a reply to: Sookiechacha

not potentially endevor?
or could have?
or may have?

lol
funny mueller would not state that even the lesser threshold you site was done
wonder why?

just "potentially"

then barr made the determination
game over
congress doesnt get to second guess the ag
sorry you dont understand the rules

a reply to: xuenchen

There's no such thing as a corn dog with an empty stick.
You either have a corn dog in which case the stick is not empty or you have an empty stick.

a reply to: shooterbrody

everything he did was to stop the investigation. That is obstruction of justice.
This is so much fun reading you guys spin round and round when he is caught like a rat in a trap.