Denver becomes the first city to decriminalize hallucinogenic mushrooms

originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: network dude

They rank the safest of all recreational drugs..

Really lol, did you just write that, on shrooms? Psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin. Are the active components in shrooms, '___' or dimetyltryotomine is the active component in peyote. BOTH are psychoactive hallucinogenic. That's not to say I don't like them or think they should be illegal, but to call them safe is ridiculous. They are very similar to an acid /'___' trip, complete with melting reality. So would you want somebody driving on the road doing shrooms, peyote or lsd?

I don't think any natural drug from a plant should be illegal, but let's have a little ef'ing common sense eh. There is only one time when use is possibly safe and that is alone in a locked room with no hard or sharp objects.

Cheers - Dave

a reply to: Jay-morris

Good.

I don't see a problem with this.

If anything, it'll "cull the herd".

a reply to: o0oTOPCATo0o

People are impressionable without the substances as well. Everything can be both good and bad.

Some people have very enriching lives while following religion, and historically it in cases can be perverted to do harm to others. You can replace religion with ideology and that statement is still true.

Alcohol can be a socially bonding substance, and for many it controls their lives and causes risk to others.

Again, on this issue it really comes down to self responsibility. People will have to make decisions for themselves and live (or not) with the consequences of their actions.

a reply to: Jay-morris

I was prescribed an ergotomine for a migraine attack once. It's a cousin to '___'. I took it as the doctor prescribed and spent the night having a bad trip. This stuff wasn't supposed to be able to do that, but apparently, it was close enough.

a reply to: LABTECH767

Interesting anecdotes but you do realise that making drugs illegal is the primary cause of drug related problems? Look at Portugal and how crime and deaths has dropped right off since legalisation over 10 years ago if you want a real world example.

Look at how the prohibition of Alcohol in the states helped the mafia to thrive. The war on drugs has done much more harm than good, prohibition just doesn’t work.

For anyone interested in learning more and educating themselves on the matter then erowid.org is a great resource.
erowid.org

Those mushrooms are used way more to get high than for medicinal use. All mushrooms have psychotropic properties, cooking them actually helps to reduce their effect on our minds but does not usually effect many of the medicinal benefits.

I did not think that those mushrooms were actually illegal, they are used by native Americans sometimes and so are not classified as a dangerous drug. But, you sure wouldn't want to have someone slip you some and start driving a car, they do have some very concerning properties. I wonder how many Native Americans died from using them and falling off a cliff or running from something that was not there.

a reply to: surfer_soul

At the same time, most of the cultures who make use of these things do so within specific cultural frameworks and not as simply party drugs for fun whenever they feel like it too.

originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: Trueman

Some people would argue the opposite..
That TPTB have kept them illegal and taboo to shield us from reality.
Especially when it comes to weed and shrooms.

Yup. Or LS D, DM T, and other psychedelics have been suppressed because they can help people expand their consciousness. Alcohol, pain kilkers, pharma uppers abd downers are legal because they numb the population and keep them moving.

In my opinion, it's not just TPTB, but entities that wish to keep humanity in a low-consciousness state with lack of spiritual griwth. Negative parasadic entities cannot continue to feed off us if we become more aware and raise our vibration. Just my belief though.

Can you explain or describe in a concrete way what it means to "expand consciousness?"

Can you explain or describe in a concrete way what a "low-consciousness state" is?

a reply to: rickymouse

I wonder how many Native Americans died from using them and falling off a cliff or running from something that was not there.

If it happened, it would pale in deaths related to alcohol.

Millions of people have taken drugs that make you trip, the stories of it turning deadly are very rare. But humanity can make tide pods a worry for society, so there's that.

a reply to: ketsuko

How was the migraine after?

My very first trip was a really bad one, I thought it was never going to end and that I would be permanently damaged or was even going to die. As soon as I stopped fighting it and accepted that was my fate, it immediately turned to a good one and gave me insights I could never otherwise have had.

It also put me off trying other drugs, if not for that I would have probably tried heroine like many of my friends did and ruined my life as it did there’s. Psychedelics aren’t like other drugs, they aren’t addictive, they don’t physically harm you, and taking the right quantity in the right set and setting can change your attitude to life in a very positive way.

a reply to: surfer_soul

You have a point, making something illegal makes it into forbidden fruit, prevent's quality control from being in place allowing all manner of crap to be mixed into whatever the users are buying and also create's a market in which illegal dealers are the only dealers so for them it is far more lucrative than a legalized market ever could be which in turn breed's further crime related to those illegal dealers.

I deleted my previous comment because I disclosed something I would rather forget.

And as a side note Philip May... Teresa's husband.... is the largest investor of GW Pharmaceticals......who make cannabis medicine.

a reply to: surfer_soul

Between it and massive dose of caffeine mixed in with it, it worked, but the aftermath wasn't worth it.

These days, I use a specific vasoconstrictor for my attacks. Works just as well with none of the nasty side-effects. It's a little hard to carry out activities of daily living when you're hallucinating.

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: blueman12

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: Trueman

Some people would argue the opposite..
That TPTB have kept them illegal and taboo to shield us from reality.
Especially when it comes to weed and shrooms.

Yup. Or LS D, DM T, and other psychedelics have been suppressed because they can help people expand their consciousness. Alcohol, pain kilkers, pharma uppers abd downers are legal because they numb the population and keep them moving.

In my opinion, it's not just TPTB, but entities that wish to keep humanity in a low-consciousness state with lack of spiritual griwth. Negative parasadic entities cannot continue to feed off us if we become more aware and raise our vibration. Just my belief though.

Can you explain or describe in a concrete way what it means to "expand consciousness?"

Can you explain or describe in a concrete way what a "low-consciousness state" is?

How about you go to Denver where you can now take some legally and try a dose of between 1 and 2 dried grams which won’t be to much to freak you out but not to little to feel the effects.

I say this because the fact is that unless you have experienced psychedelics you have no clue as to how they affect you.

Nobody really understands what consciousness even is at this point but psychedelics can give you a good insight as that’s what they alter.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: surfer_soul

Works just as well with none of the nasty side-effects. It's a little hard to carry out activities of daily living when you're hallucinating.

That is daily activity for some people..just sayin'...

I expect more recreational Opium Den/ Adult Daycare centers to start popping up as the 'legalize it' crowd gains ground.

a reply to: ketsuko

If you take a small dose you do not hallucinate.

Check out silicone valley.... they are micro dosing '___'.

And here is a vid about micro dosing magic mushrooms :

a reply to: ketsuko

I hope your managing the migraine attacks ok I’ve had only one proper migraine in my life and it was completely debilitating. You’re right you can’t get on with regular life while hallucinating this is why set and setting is so important.

You should look into micro dosing though, you don’t actually feel the effects or they are so subtle as for you to barely notice. I’ve heard that it can help with migraines though I don’t know for sure personally, worth looking into though. Even with micro dosing I wouldn’t recommend it as a daily thing. I believe in the old adage “everything in moderation”

a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

That is daily activity for some people..just sayin'...

I doubt there there is a measurable amount of people doing it (hallucinating) daily.

a reply to: surfer_soul

I used to be chronic, but I got in with a good neurologist who specialized in migraine. After some years, we got me on a stable regimen that I've used for a little over 10 years now. I still get attacks, but they're at a manageable severity and frequency. More like I just get migraines instead of chronic migraines. They very rarely completely disrupt my life anymore.

The downside is that I cannot use painkillers except in rare specific instance (like after a surgery) because apparently, they are the key to developing and triggering chronic migraine in the first place.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: NarcolepticBuddha

That is daily activity for some people..just sayin'...

I doubt there there is a measurable amount of people doing it (hallucinating) daily.

Your edit clarified it, and I really can't disagree with your edited statement.

I meant tripping balls in general, and have worked with and known plenty of dailies. My original statement could've used the same edit.