CNN Chief Dr Gupta boasts Herd Immunity but 4 in 10 Measles cases originated from Vaccine itself

Have been hearing from family members here in California as well as back in NY and Canada of kids being diagnosed with the measles even after their 2nd booster shot, and even a 44-yo aunt who was advised to get the measles shot with her kids since she tested negative for any antibodies to it herself. Well guess what, days after the shot, she was diagnosed with measles after fever, rash, and 'feeling like her lungs were sticking together'. So much for 97.5% effective rate! Oddly enough she did say she got the vaccine cause she was scared she would get it from her freshly vaccinated kids shedding the virus but instead looks more like she got it as a 'reaction' to the vaccine itself.

So much for over 225 years of progress since the first live vaccine was invented! What are they still using, live virus?! Or is it a gray area, since viruses aren't alive on their own, more like Phages instead?

www.sgtreport.com...

When you hear about reported cases of measles, did you know that a portion of those affected may be experiencing a reaction to the live virus measles vaccine?

That sounds like the opposite of herd immunity. More like 'heard' immunity!

www.naturalblaze.com... e-genotype-by-real-time-pcr.html

Eleven (11) researchers can’t be wrong, or can they?
37.5+% (72.75 measles virus sequences) or over one-third were identified as VACCINE sequences, i.e., the strains in vaccines! Who is fooling whom?

How come so many Measles cases - nearly half - contain a Vaccine sequence, rather than Wild sequence?

Might this be a big pharma conspiracy?

a reply to: Artesia

Yes, do you really think they want to prevent these diseases or they want to cure them? No, how would they make money then?

GREED POWER MONEY

People should not even be paying for electricity, water or gas because those are things found naturally in nature. Like you can use solar panels to light your house...and you’re paying for nasty water that has a bunch of chemicals in them which includes fluoride which is what Hitler used to dumb down the population during WWII. Look it up. Be aware of what you are putting in your bodies, it’s what is killing you.

I wish you had a legit source and scientific data to support these statements.
Not knocking you. Just wish you had them

We need a good plague to thin the heard anyway. Might as well start with the weak who can't survive hard times...

I'd say then move onto the stupid, but then there wouldn't be anyone left...

originally posted by: a325nt
We need a good plague to thin the heard anyway. Might as well start with the weak who can't survive hard times...

I'd say then move onto the stupid, but then there wouldn't be anyone left...

i do hope you are being facetious, otherwise you are a douche bag (sorry- that is just the way I see it). Here is the material safety data sheet for the MMR vaccine. For Some it may be of interest: www.merck.com...

In california, the weakened measles virus mutated to full strength and infected a bunch of people. They tracked it through genetics and said it was from the vaccines. That was in 2017 I think. It has happened after that from what I have read, even confirmed. The links to these researches are now very hard to find on google, sort of like they were hidden from being able to be found. The articles I read said the measled were supposedly identical to regular measles, but I do not think they have a way of testing if the strain was still a weak strain. Usually the measles does not mutate, so I do not know how they weakened the strain.

They are doing a good job of hiding all evidence that shows their vaccines cause problems. On the National news, they had a forerunner on the vaccine not being able to cause an outbreak, but they never ran the video clip in the news, they were probably tipped off not to run the main article because it was proven that the vaccine weakened virus was infecting people. I waited all through the news to see the lie they were going to spread, it never came. In the little trailer before the news the woman stated that the Measles in her hospital were not from the vaccine, they tested them. But that was just their hospital, they were insinuating it was nation wide with the news, they could not run their main video because of this I think.

a reply to: Artesia

Link to the actual article being cited
jcm.asm.org...

Article actually states that in areas of outbreaks there are routine analyses to determine which individuals actually have the wild-type virus as opposed to the vaccine strain. Some individuals did have a rash and some symptoms that could be construed as a potential outbreak victim. The statistics cited by OP claim 4/10 cases were actually caused by the vaccine. This is not what the article claims at all. Study the article for yourself, don’t take my word or OPs for it.

Edit: fixed link

originally posted by: KrishnaTheGreat
a reply to: Artesia

Yes, do you really think they want to prevent these diseases or they want to cure them? No, how would they make money then?

GREED POWER MONEY

People should not even be paying for electricity, water or gas because those are things found naturally in nature. Like you can use solar panels to light your house...and you’re paying for nasty water that has a bunch of chemicals in them which includes fluoride which is what Hitler used to dumb down the population during WWII. Look it up. Be aware of what you are putting in your bodies, it’s what is killing you.

How easy is it to cull the herd of a couple generations?

I thought I would contribute this to the discussion. Download the "Global Measles Rubella Monthly update" and then do a google search for each region as to when they started the Measles vaccine campaigns. I wasn't able to find when phase 1 started for Madagascar in 2018. I think it started towards the end of September or beginning of October 2018.

WHO Measeles and Rubella Surveillance Data

originally posted by: dashen
I wish you had a legit source and scientific data to support these statements.
Not knocking you. Just wish you had them

I actually saw some legitimate reports on this subject last year, you cannot seem to find the main ones on the net anymore, they seem to have disappeared.

Here are some interesting articles. I like the site for some information.

clinicalnews.org... -document-from-the-university-of-british-colombias-lucija-tomlje/?highlight=measles%20vaccine%20infecting%20people

Another interesting article.

clinicalnews.org...

a reply to: damnmilennial

from the article you linked.

. During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees (3). Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data). In contrast, only 11 of 542 cases genotyped in the National Reference Center for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella in Germany were associated with the vaccine virus.

that sounds pretty awful to me.

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: damnmilennial

from the article you linked.

. During the measles outbreak in California in 2015, a large number of suspected cases occurred in recent vaccinees (3). Of the 194 measles virus sequences obtained in the United States in 2015, 73 were identified as vaccine sequences (R. J. McNall, unpublished data). In contrast, only 11 of 542 cases genotyped in the National Reference Center for Measles, Mumps, and Rubella in Germany were associated with the vaccine virus.

that sounds pretty awful to me.

Not when you understand the difference between a vaccine reaction and an infection.

Since approximately 5% of recipients of measles virus-containing vaccine experience rash and fever which may be indistinguishable from measles (9), it is very important to identify vaccine reactions to avoid unnecessary isolation of the patient, as well as the need for contact tracing and other labor-intensive public health interventions

a reply to: Phage

i get that part.
but i am not 100% convinced that the non-wild vaccine caused reaction are not contagious.

a reply to: dashen

A fever is not contagious. A rash is not contagious.
A reaction is not an infection.

a reply to: Phage

the question is - is the virus that is being detected (strain A)ALIVE or NOT?
im not clear on that bit.
if it IS ALIVE, then why would it not be transferred through the air like regular measles?

originally posted by: dashen
a reply to: Phage

i get that part.
but i am not 100% convinced that the non-wild vaccine caused reaction are not contagious.

Why would they be?

Many of the symptoms of a disease are actually caused by our body's own immune system response, not the actual bacteria or virus. Why else do you think so many diseases have so many symptoms in common? No bacteria or virus actually causes your body to heat up and create a fever. Instead, this is one tool your own body has to attempt to defeat an invading bacteria or virus to make the environment inhospitable to them.

There are plenty of instances when you aren't contagious with anything, but you'll still spike a fever. Only about 1/3 of fevers of unknown origin end up being caused by an infection with some possible culprits being autoimmune diseases or cancer.

As for a rash, well, we're talking about the same kind of thing. It's an inflammatory response of the body, and doesn't necessarily mean you are rabidly contagious with anything because of that. That's why there are so many types of rash that aren't actually associated with any kind of illness -- it's not a disease process thing, but a body response.

So, tl;dr, Phage is absolutely right. You can have both fever and rash in reaction to your measles vaccine and it doesn't at all mean you actually have the virus reproducing and shedding making you contagious. It just means you have the presence of enough of the viral fragments to provoke your body to react as if you do in a weak response.

I have extremely bad reactions to vaccines. I nearly died as a young child because of it. Even today I will become ill if my fiancé, with whom I live and is a nurse, gets his own vaccines (he gets a ton of weird ones in his line of work). He stopped telling me when he would get them, thinking I was somehow making myself sick by thinking on it. Wasn’t he surprised when I became sick anyway, even without knowing when he received them.

So yeah don’t tell me something isn’t screwy with all that. On the whole I think vaccines are good, but some people don’t respond well, and I don’t think they’re as fully understood as the medical establishment wants to think.

a reply to: dashen

Since it doesn't cause an infection in the person who receives it there is no shedding so it is not transmittable.

I suppose there's a remote chance that, through contact with body fluids, the attenuated virus could be transmitted, but again, it does not cause an infection.

a reply to: oriondc

Allergic reactions are known to occur. That's a valid reason for avoiding vaccination. For people like you the more people who are vaccinated the better. It reduces your chances of being exposed to the disease.

a reply to: ketsuko

i get all that too. but what if the reaction is accompanied by coughing and sneezing?

Roche LightCycler 480 platform.Archival nasopharyngeal swabs and urine specimens sent to the NML for molecular surveillance were used. These specimens tested positive for measles virus by MeV RT-qPCR using a previously described method (16) and were genotyped using the N-450 target (10, 11). RNA was extracted using the QIAamp viral RNA minikit (Qiagen; catalog no. 52904) or the MagNA Pure liquid chromatograph (LC) total nucleic acid isolation kit—high performance (Roche Diagnostics; catalog no. 05323738001) on the MagNA Pure LC 2.0 instrument (Roche Diagnostics). For RT-PCR, 2 μl of extracted RNA was subjected to one-step reverse transcription and qPCR using the QuantiTect Probe RT-PCR kit (Qiagen; catalog no. 204443) according the instructions of the manufacturer. The RT-qPCR mixtures (total volume, 20 μl) were incubated at 50°C for 20 min (RT step) and 95°C for 15 min (activation of the polymerase) and subjected to 40 cycles of amplification (95°C for 5 s and 60°C for 1 min) on the Roche LightCycler 480 instrument. The RT-qPCR result was considered positive if there was amplification within 40 cycles, but crossing-point (Cp) values were recorded for only the first 35 cycles.

if they are testing for virus, the virus must be present, no? How much virus are they injecting that you can detect it in urine and nasal swabs? or did it replicate in the body?