Congressman Diaz-Balart says Russia Has Placed Nuclear Weapons in Venezuela.

a reply to: carewemust

I am certainly not for any country planting missiles close to another country, however....

Sounds a bit like neo-cons kicking the doom-porn can down the road. No evidence, just fear mongering. But thinking rationally, the US has Russia surrounded with conventional, nuclear and anti-missile missiles, why shouldn't Russia be able to plant missiles in Cuba or Venezuela or Jamaica, etc.? Does the US have some special status that says another country can't do exactly the same thing the US is doing?

The hypocrisy is strong in this one lol.

Cheers - Dave

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Fallingdown

Russian nuclear weapons in Venezuela are a near certainty .

Because some nuclear capable bombers flew there? That's quite the leap.

Just to elaborate on the above, I think nuclear capable bomber is now redundant, but kept around for media outlets to grab your attention on otherwise less sensational stories.

In current times, you can just say flew bombers, I imagine almost if not all are in some way shape or form nuclear capable.

a reply to: carewemust

Uh...........no.

No one, especially not Putin is going to put nuclear missle war heads in Venezuela. Never going to happen.

No one put's either tactical short range nukes nor expensive ICBM type nuclear missles in a failed-state/narco and Mafia type State like Venezuela. Putin didn't do it in Syria, he certainly isn't going to do it at a screwed up location as far away as Venezuela.

And for the love of God, don't believe the Neo-Con's war mongering CIA BS reports along the lines of "Sadaam Hussein's got WMD's" reports. Don't be fooled by that crap again!

originally posted by: bobs_uruncle
a reply to: carewemust

I am certainly not for any country planting missiles close to another country, however....

Sounds a bit like neo-cons kicking the doom-porn can down the road. No evidence, just fear mongering. But thinking rationally, the US has Russia surrounded with conventional, nuclear and anti-missile missiles, why shouldn't Russia be able to plant missiles in Cuba or Venezuela or Jamaica, etc.? Does the US have some special status that says another country can't do exactly the same thing the US is doing?

The hypocrisy is strong in this one lol.

Cheers - Dave

I second that idea; see my post previous to this one. What are they going to do next? Trot out poor old Colin Powell to scream "WMD'S, THEY GOT WMD'S".

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: Fallingdown

Russian nuclear weapons in Venezuela are a near certainty .

Because some nuclear capable bombers flew there? That's quite the leap.

It’s not a leap if you couple it with what the congressman said. Besides can you think of a better way to smuggle nuclear weapons into a country ?

If you’ve got a better method let’s hear it .?

The designation as a nuclear bomber are still needed. An SU 30 is a bomber but it can’t deployed nuclear weapons .

a reply to: Fallingdown

A congressman saying it carries as much weight as the MSM who aired it.

There is a SU—30 variant that can carry a cruise missile though. But that's a bomber fighter. Strict bombers typically can. I'm not trying to split hairs, simply saying MSM loves saying nuclear capable bombers. BTW, an aircraft with a decent payload can carry and not deliver too.

originally posted by: Fallingdown
a reply to: Peeple

Didn’t see that thank you for the update.

Is there a possibility they left something behind ?

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Apparently more came back in January .

January of this year, at a distance of less than 2,800 miles from the United States, several Tupolev TU-160—Russian strategic bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons—remained in Venezuela to perform joint military exercises with the armed forces of that country. Nicolas Maduro’s regime, with its strong political ties to Russia, China, Turkey, Syria, Cuba and Iran, has become a focus of political instability in Latin America. Additionally, the world’s largest reserves of crude oil (as certified by OPEC), and important reserves of gold, bauxite, iron, coal, diamonds and rare minerals such as coltan (appreciated in the electronics industry) have made Venezuela an important new geopolitical objective, for both allies and enemies.

areomagazine.com...

That article in reference to the Tu-160s is talking non-sense. The 2 Tu-160s left in December and returned to Russia.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The main stream media can repeat a rumor or a leak. A congressman “may”’have direct knowledge .

I guess I didn’t make my point clear on the Tu 160 bombers. I never intended to imply that they would be the delivery vehicle. All I was trying to say was that they could also deliver nuclear weapons to Venezuela .

Last night I saw that the SU 34 is nuclear capable now you told me so is the SU 30 . Which means the ability is there for delivery .

I am not forecasting impending doom . I’ve lived under the world is going to die BS since the 1960s and never brought into it .

I’m looking at the evidence and forming a opinion.

Others are denying the evidence. The congressman lies, the mainstream media lies, military exercises in February are fake yada yada yada .

So let’s make it a hypothetical question.

If you were Putin and you were going to sneak nuclear weapons into Venezuela. Would you send them on a boat that would take weeks and increase the possibility of the secret getting out?

Or would you send them on a nuclear capable airframe where they could be loaded in greater secrecy and only take a day to get there ?

a reply to: Fallingdown

First of all, I'm elated you are really discussing, we don't do that enough recently (not you and I, the whole effing planet).

I don't think Putin would do it, no true advantage. We both could desimate each other without froesrd positions. We have subs, ICBMs, and soon to be hypersonics impervious to interception.

This would risk a Cuba missile crisis like scenario. Russia would be better suited storing them with a more stable regime. We felt the fear with Turkey when turmoil hit, what about our nukes? No one wants to feel that.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

There’s one reason Putin would do it. I seriously doubt he’d use them either. But he could do it to show he can have influence throughout the world. Including in our hemisphere . His actions down there may already violated our long-standing position on the Monroe doctrine . Putin is all about prestige, publicity and Clickbait. He wants to look strong to the world .

Yes we could destroy each other that’s why nuclear war will never happen in my opinion . Hypersonic missile‘s are almost impervious to countermeasures . But so are intercontinental ballistic missile‘s in the reentry stage. As a matter of fact they are faster.

Russia’s missiles might get here faster but intercontinental ballistic missiles will get through . The hypersonic missiles are just more Clickbait that social media a up .


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I’m happy to be in civil a discussion too. ATS is a diamond in the rough among the other conspiracy forms .

One thing I’d like to point out. My grammar is obviously atrocious. Sometimes my replies come across a little sharper than intended .

a reply to: Fallingdown

I'll start here.

One thing I’d like to point out. My grammar is obviously atrocious. Sometimes my replies come across a little sharper than intended .

I can usually read between the lines, I haven't taken your responses as sharp, I've honestly thought you've reacted well. I know you have a lean so I really appreciate you discussing.

I admire anyone with conviction so long as they aren't threatened by different ways of thinking.

There’s one reason Putin would do it. I seriously doubt he’d use them either. But he could do it to show he can have influence throughout the world. Including in our hemisphere . His actions down there may already violated our long-standing position on the Monroe doctrine . Putin is all about prestige, publicity and Clickbait. He wants to look strong to the world .

That's not implausible. But they'd have better alternatives for the same result IMO.

That said, Russia and China do have leverage on Venezuela through loans levied on their oil.

I see all the nuance, I wouldn't be surprised if the east positioned on the east, but I don't think it's probable, only possible.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Malisa

It wasn't an anonymous someone who said this. Feel free to READ the article. I'll paste it here for you again, so you don't have to scroll up and find it.

LINK TO ARTICLE: www.foxnews.com...

It was another lie, look more into it, why do you fall for it so easy?

No one ever had any proof. It wasn't even a real statement, it was a dumb thing to say, perhaps with the intent of moving some people like it did to you

Let's think clear for a moment here, if they know this, why did they wait until the coup failed to start throwing around ridiculous accusations? Imagine the level of this threat, and they are just sitting there watching the coup and when it fails then they tell us all about how there are nuclear bombs in Venezuela? This is beyond ridiculous

I'm listening and seeing all kind of dumb fake news thrown around, doesn't it bother you? I don't like my head to get messed up by talking heads with an agenda

'The Russians told him to stay" Is the most ridiculous fake news around this issue. How do they know? Are they listening? Why not make the recording public, it is hearsay otherwise? Fake news as defined by Trump then

a reply to: Malisa

You're correct. A great deal of the news is fake, a lie, misleading, etc..

But You haven't said WHAT is a lie..

1.) Did Congressman Diaz-Balart not say those words?

2.) Or, was Congressman Diaz-Balart lying when he said those words?

3.) How do YOU know? ("Just go look it up", doesn't cut it. Sorry.)

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Malisa

You're correct. A great deal of the news is fake, a lie, misleading, etc..

But You haven't said WHAT is a lie..

1.) Did Congressman Diaz-Balart not say those words?

2.) Or, was Congressman Diaz-Balart lying when he said those words?

3.) How do YOU know? ("Just go look it up", doesn't cut it. Sorry.)

If i'm going to repeat something someone else said, i better check if it's true, not just repeat it out there without any knowledge if it's true or not

Right now you're telling me you did not care if it was true or not when you posted about it, and you want me to verify it for you, seriously you did not validate it again, this late in the game?

That's cool, do you need anything from the 7'11 as well? Because i'm going there in 10

“The United States, the closest we ever came to nuclear war was because the Russians put missiles — right — nuclear missiles in Cuba,” Díaz-Balart said.

“Are you saying the Russians will put nuclear missiles in Venezuela?” Carlson asked in a follow-up question.

“What I am suggesting is that they are already there,” Diaz-Balart said. The Florida congressman did not provide any evidence to support that suggestion.

Fake news indeed

Who's already there, the Russians? The bombs? This is not a clear statement, it is meant to mislead and you fell for it

Where the proof then? Just talking out of some place otherwise. Do you think it's correct for someone like him to go throwing around crap like that without any proof and just after the failed coup happened?

It was worded to mislead, he was talking about the Cuba crisis and he casually said "they are already there" and all hell breaks loose. This is embarrassing

And then let's see what happens in the next weeks, he remains silent so far, why? He felt it easy to cause a rumor and now he doesn't want to talk about it. LOL

Look anywhere you like, there's no proof whatsoever of anything said in your OP, this is fake news by all definitions

www.rollcall.com...

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I’m open to discussion. But like everyone else I do have my moments . Lol

I’ve found it hard to get upset here after the other sites I posted on for years. Any pushback here sounds like a pleasantries.


Hostilities in the South China Sea could kick off at any moment. The same with the East China Sea .

Putin can move on the balkan states, the rest of the Ukraine, poland and beyond at his pleasure. If Russia in the west( Europe ) and China in the east are allies.

The most strategic spot on earth would then be the Panama Canal. Only Columbia stands between Venezuela and It.

China or Russia getting a foothold in Venezuela is bad news . I’m not saying there will be a war . But strategic scenarios like this have been planned for decades .

The Russians and Chinese have done the same planning .

Oof...... Look at this moron running away, how about this? Is it the right time to say "i got fooled again"?

twitter.com...

But of course the damage is done, it was all about that, not many people will read his lame excuse because it took a bit to post it and the fake news is already out there for everyone to copy paste endlessly until everyone believes blindly and no ones remember how it came to be

It will just be "did you hear? The Russians have nuclear bombs in Venezuela!" and that will be it, job done



What a shameless coward, just like the rest of them training people like hamsters to eat and run around all day

a reply to: strongfp

Yea but the opposition party is claiming that it was rigged.

a reply to: carewemust

Evidence? Or just more hyperbole from some back bencher from Florida??

...and WTF is he doin' spouting off information of that nature, any way??

House committee member on defence should know better, but whatever, right? Get your name plastered all over the news for a cycle or two.

Someone needs to remind him about those pesky little things called security clearances... Morons like this one get people killed.

a reply to: Fallingdown

Let me offer you a wild possibility. I'm curious your thoughts.

What if Russia actually saw China as a greater long term threat to their interests given the close proximity.... And Russia and the US actually have greater hopes at living in harmony, dare I say allies.

Furthermore, is the above a question many policy makers from different countries have pondered?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Not so wild, really.

China has long coveted the area north of China--Siberia, and the resources that are undoubtedly locked up there.

Should China get froggy and jump that way, who would the most likely ally be?

Wouldn't be the first time the US and Russia have allied. ...and along with the US would come other east Asian allies, such as Japan, and South Korea, possibly others.

Will that happen? Probably not, but it's well within the realm of maybe.