Military Coup underway in Venezuela

a reply to: starfoxxx

Actually I would say it's a civil war, not a coupe. The military is actually loyal to Maduro, it is only the suffering of the people and their begging for help that is loosening his grip.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

And what did Guaido do? He told the people to go out on the streets where he knew the Maduro loyal troops would take no prisoners. Even before he is in power he shows he doesn't give a flying # about the wellbeing of the people.

Plus he has really too close ties to the USA to not raise suspicions. He is a capitalist economy guy with close ties to the interamerican Bank for development (or similiar) that screams ideological proxy war. And to claim it's about the people is just sad. China and Russia won't take that quietly and this will make things just worse and probably go on for years.

If the majority of the people would want to get rid of Maduro they could have done it by making general strikes and just ignore their officials until they make sure he is gone. Stop paying taxes, strike, block the key industries... the fact that they didn't do that just shows it's really a 50/50 situation and in no way can the statement "the people of Venezuela want X" be made with a straight face.

On the instagram page @venezuelalucha you can see some of the action that's going on there.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You are no fool so don't play one.

We all know the US is behind the "AID". You don't steal their money which they can use to fix things then send a piddly handout and claim you are only trying to help them.

originally posted by: Nyiah

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: Nyiah

They can take money from their allies.

We're not their allies.

Says who? The starving Venezuelans certainly didn't refuse America's help. Who does the country belong to ... Maduro, or the people? I know what a socialist would say, fortunately I am a freedom loving American who disagrees with socialist scum and think the country belongs to the people.

It's also NOT OUR JOB to police the world. I don't give a flying rat's ass what anyone's other allies brings to the table to support them, we need to shut our double chin pieholes and keep out of it.

I think it is, mainly because if the US doesn't, someone else will.

In the time that the US was the world's policeman, we entered and maintained what some historians call "The Long Peace", a period of time where wars declined precipitously.

originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: OccamsRazor04

You are no fool so don't play one.

We all know the US is behind the "AID". You don't steal their money which they can use to fix things then send a piddly handout and claim you are only trying to help them.

Some of it. Colombia was trying to send aid to stop the influx of Venezuelans fleeing into their country. Maduro said no to everyone.

originally posted by: TheBandit795
a reply to: Onlyyouknow

I've been hearing something similar to that as well. Something about Cubans shooting at the guardia nacional there.

I hope the troops that have defected for Guaidó are numerous. These civilians need help. The People of Venezuela deserve better than Chavez or Maduro.

a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

On which planet was that?

a reply to: Peeple

Freedom does not come free. Are you saying you are wishing he asked the US to invade? There are only two ways for Venezuelan freedom, have someone come in and give it to you, or get it themselves. Why should he not expect the Venezuelan people to flood the streets and attain freedom?

It is my understanding that Juan Guido was nominated by the Venezuelan congress to oversee a peaceful transition of power per the Venezuelan Constitution.

Maduro refused to accept the findings of their congress and has ignored their constitution.

originally posted by: Peeple
a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

On which planet was that?

Not on Delusion World.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

If he would be as smart as he says he is, he would have had a plan before he started this. I'm all for the Venezuelans to get what they want. My problem with Guaido is he's to close to the USA Why would I want them to invade?
This is just not what a successful revolution coming from the will of the people looks like.

a reply to: TheSteppenwolf

Wow, do you feel smart with your one lines without content?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
It is my understanding that Juan Guido was nominated by the Venezuelan congress to oversee a peaceful transition of power per the Venezuelan Constitution.

Maduro refused to accept the findings of their congress and has ignored their constitution.

Your understanding is correct. He created his own version of congress occupied with only members of his political party. That unconstitutional congress called for an unconstitutional election before the presidential term was over, which Maduro won. But because of that there were no real constitutional election. And when Maduro's term as president of Venezuela ended earlier this year he lost his right to that office. The real congress, the National Assembly, then applied article 233 of the Venezuelan constitution and appointed it's leader (Guaido) as interim president as per that article. It's his job as interim president to call for new elections.

a reply to: Peeple

I don't understand your comment. You're opposed to Guaido because he's to closely tied to the US?

You would rather he be more closely tied to....................China? Russia maybe?

I don't get that.

originally posted by: Peeple
And what did Guaido do? He told the people to go out on the streets where he knew the Maduro loyal troops would take no prisoners. Even before he is in power he shows he doesn't give a flying # about the wellbeing of the people.

Last week, on the 25th, it was the 45th anniversary of the Portuguese Carnation Revolution, in which part of the military took control of the country to end the 48 years long fascist dictatorship.

The first thing they said on the radio and TV was for the people to return home and keep calm, to avoid any unnecessary bloodshed. Although most people didn't care about it and went to the streets to celebrate, only four people died, shot by some elements of the political police entrenched on the police's headquarters that shot a group of people that was moving towards the building.

a reply to: Peeple

Me too. It's almost like the establishment media lies all of the time.

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Peeple

Freedom does not come free. Are you saying you are wishing he asked the US to invade? There are only two ways for Venezuelan freedom, have someone come in and give it to you, or get it themselves. Why should he not expect the Venezuelan people to flood the streets and attain freedom?

Because he should know that he doesn't have enough support for that, the country is too divided for a military action.

a reply to: Peeple

Since the military is slowly coming to his side it seems it is finding success. The top military leaders may have no problem killing civilians, but the average soldier may disagree.

But hey, better to keep an illegal Chinese supported guy so no one is close to the USA.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
a reply to: Peeple

Freedom does not come free. Are you saying you are wishing he asked the US to invade? There are only two ways for Venezuelan freedom, have someone come in and give it to you, or get it themselves. Why should he not expect the Venezuelan people to flood the streets and attain freedom?

Because he should know that he doesn't have enough support for that, the country is too divided for a military action.

I do not think he is asking for military action so much as military inaction. I could be wrong, but I think he believes if the military simply stays neutral Maduro will be gone.