NBC caught using edited baby picture to push measles vaccination agenda.

a reply to: Justoneman
Will you show sources of this data you keep sighting? Or are we to just trust your scientific reasoning? You and the op after being called out have not shown any evidence to back up your claims.

You say that these companies have some sort of nefarious motives to get the general public to believe them. What about Andrew Wakefield? Perhaps he is trying to push his nefarious plot. People still quote him even after study after study has proven him wrong. The man lost his license to practice medicine. But hey if you all want to believe in feelings or what not instead of doing what is best, not only for your children but our children and community then their needless and preventable deaths are you your hands.

Done dealing with these idiots who look at scientific methods and choose not to see what starring right back at them.

Done.

a reply to: Justoneman
Will you show sources of this data you keep sighting? Or are we to just trust your scientific reasoning? You and the op after being called out have not shown any evidence to back up your claims.

You say that these companies have some sort of nefarious motives to get the general public to believe them. What about Andrew Wakefield? Perhaps he is trying to push his nefarious plot. People still quote him even after study after study has proven him wrong. The man lost his license to practice medicine. But hey if you all want to believe in feelings or what not instead of doing what is best, not only for your children but our children and community then their needless and preventable deaths are you your hands.

Done dealing with these idiots who look at scientific methods and choose not to see what starring right back at them.

Done.

originally posted by: Justoneman
a reply to: projectvxn

You make reasonable points.

I am concerned about some of data I have seen and I applaud your sincere concern and interest. I feel we should temper our enthusiasm for high expectations some would pump us up concerning things we inject in our bodies. Thanks for providing an anecdote concerning Novavax. Sources of material deemed safe should be vetted, perhaps even better than we do. Gov oversight after a lobbyist has made the rounds gets sketchy sometimes.

In regard to the Novavax case, imagine if you will they had worked to produce an ad campaign that used the image of a baby, photoshopped to look as if was suffering from the ailment (whatever it was), in order to sway the viewers opinion and sell their tainted and less-than-stellar solution. That is what, IMO, is the crux of this thread. The use of false imagery to push a narrative using fear and emotion, period. That is disingenuous, regardless of the efficacy or need for this solution. If the need is truly there, and is as dire as it is being stated, then use of a false image sours the message.

originally posted by: Justoneman
I will reiterate that these vaccines have some good but not everyone of them is perfect, if any. And a lying Media has ruined my faith in data I can't touch.

Wonder how many vaccine skeptics and deniers would step into an enclosed room with the smallpox virus, having not been vaccinated. Or polio, diptheria, or (why not) measles.

It's all well and good to distrust vaccinations when you live in a county where healthcare is good, and/or you can hide behind herd immunity.

originally posted by: Tartuffe

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: Tartuffe
Fake news is the enemy of the people. Those who reveal their nonsense are the defenders of the people. Good work.

Like Blaine pointed out though, they just showed an illustration.

Is the story fake? Are we having a comeback of measles in the country? Other than rare occurrences of adverse reactions, does vaccines risk outweigh the benefit?

The image is fake. It's not true. So why use it?

It's NBC. I don't expect much of it to be real. All I know is kids should be vaccinated. In my opinion anyways.

a reply to: CriticalStinker>>> And now autism affects something like 1 in 60 kids. I'm not anti vaccine but there is something to how these vaccines are being made and how they're being administered that is harming our children. They do need to be thoroughly investigated and those companies have to be held accountable.

a reply to: Dutchowl
Nope

a reply to: Dutchowl

They do need to be thoroughly investigated

They have been. Many times.
Wakefield has been thoroughly discredited.

The final episode in the saga is the revelation that Wakefield et al.[1] were guilty of deliberate fraud (they picked and chose data that suited their case; they falsified facts).

originally posted by: Sookiechacha
a reply to: gladtobehere

So what? Reporters should go into infected areas to get real pictures?

Sure, why not? Nothing to be afraid of if they are vaccinated, right?

Measles is only potentially more dangerous to adults who didn't get the measles when they were kids, and to kids under 5, but a little care and some smart application of knowledge of the immune system works wonders.

So what!!

When the vaccine is more dangerous than the disease we have an out of control pharmaceutical/government complex bent on profit and control. My body my choice - right? Isn't that what "freedom" is about? Until we have sovereign rights to control what is put in our bodies we are no more than puppets who can be controlled, maimed and even killed at will by the medical elitists. If vaccinations work those injected are at no risk from the non-vaccinated. Where is the logic in their argument for mandatory injections?

This is a good video for all to watch in your free time. It's long and there is a part two as well.

The video is about some people who just wanted to have an extended conversation about vaccinations because that is something you don't always get with your doctors. Of course, as the seminar came to fruition, all of the pro-vax doctors, etc. dropped out and some were even threatened with their jobs if they attended. The seminar has various doctors, journalists, even economists who speak to the research they've performed to prove a point that vaccines aren't as safe as the government tries to push.

I am not disputing the effectiveness of vaccinations, rather would like to see more conversations, studies, efforts put into the research and development because there is obviously a problem out there that is not receiving the attention it deserves.

a reply to: gladtobehere

i is ammused that anti vaccination idiots get so outraged by this

considering the dishonest graphics they use :

source

a reply to: Asktheanimals

which vaccine = " more dangerous " than the desiese it offers protection against ???

originally posted by: paraphi
Wonder how many vaccine skeptics and deniers would step into an enclosed room with the smallpox virus, having not been vaccinated. Or polio, diptheria

I wonder how many pro-vax radicals would step into an enclosed room with the smallpox virus, having been fully vaccinated? Or polio, or diptheria?

or (why not) measles.

No problem... I've got natural immunity from when I had it as a child.

It's all well and good to distrust vaccinations when you live in a county where healthcare is good, and/or you can hide behind herd immunity.

Herd Immunity is an unproven theory based on faulty and misleading data.

a reply to: tanstaafl

"Theory" means a body of data that has been tested and shown to be a fact.

The word you're looking for is "hypothesis". Which Herd immunity is no longer.

Herd Immunity

The debate surrounding herd immunity has nothing to do with its validity as a theory. That has been established. The debate is how to apply policy within the framework that the data of herd immunity theory has laid out.

That's not a scientific debate, however. That is a political one.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: tanstaafl

"Theory" means a body of data that has been tested and shown to be a fact.

The word you're looking for is "hypothesis".

No, actually, I should have used the term 'bogus hypothesis', because that is what it is.

Which Herd immunity is no longer.

Sorry, none of those links prove that herd immunity is anything other than wishful thinking.

a reply to: tanstaafl

All of those links are scientific papers that support the theory of herd immunity.

Your opinion isn't equal to that body of work and never will be.

originally posted by: projectvxn
a reply to: tanstaafl

All of those links are scientific papers that support the theory of herd immunity.

Your opinion isn't equal to that body of work and never will be.

I know, it is greater, because herd immunity is a myth.

a reply to: tanstaafl

Asinine and childish. Pretty much what I expected here.