Controversial Steele dossier back in spotlight after Mueller report's release

Apparently Mueller followed up on that Steele Dossier, turns out it was what we thought all along, a bunch of crap.

The dossier, funded by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, sent shockwaves through the country and the halls of power in D.C. when it was published in January 2017, complete with lurid tales of a sex tape featuring prostitutes that the Russian government was said to be holding over President Trump's head.

But despite an intensive two-year investigation, Mueller’s team found no evidence of any such tape. It also said it didn’t have evidence of another claim in the dossier that former Trump attorney Michael Cohen met with Russian officials in Prague.

I remember hearing over and over about that tape and how it would come to light and we would see Trump liked being peed on or some such nonsense. I guess the people peddling that will never admit it though. Don't worry, we have more ....

there is no evidence in the Mueller report on a number of claims: “DNC moles, Romanian hackers, Russian pensioners -- or years of Trump-Putin intelligence trafficking.”

www.foxnews.com...

I keep hearing about how nothing in the dossier is disproved ... is that lie going to be repeated still?

So here we have the entire basis for the investigation (according to Democrats, although that timeline is proven false because they were spying on Trump's campaign MONTHS before the Steele Dossier hit) proven to be false. Reminds me of a time in Salem's history where you could make up any lies you wanted to destroy a person you didn't like ....

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

I keep hearing about how nothing in the dossier is disproved ... is that lie going to be repeated still?

Now that it has been disproven, the Dems and the complicit media will ignore it for the most part, pretend it never existed.
If forced, they will talk down on Steele, that he was just some hack.... and that the Republicans hired him first. Truth be told, he was a former British intelligence agent, working for Hillary and the DNC.

In the country where the great Deceiver is king and most people parrot deception without actually scrutinizing if it is real, nobody wants to admit they were buffaloed into believing a lie. Is it so hard to say...I was wrong. Is it so hard to actually look at the evidence the other side is giving?

Trump did have business dealings with some Russian companies, lots of big international companies do. He has more invested in America than in Russia. He has more friends here than in Russia. He would not compromise America, he is proud of the place that made him able to get rich. Even now, Trump still is proud of the sensible people in America, he is only mad at certain media outlets that are blaspheming him and some delusional Democrats...not all of them. He is disappointed in our government. I believe that a lot of big corporate leaders are wondering if they should just abandon the American people and move abroad dumping the jobs of people they employ here. These big corporations supply lots of jobs in America. If their base leaves and all the money leaves, we will be a third world country.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

The fact that people genuinely believed in the existence of the ‘pee tape’ (and there were PLENTY of those people on ATS, although they seem to simply deflect now), goes to show you how absolutely delusional and irrational people can be. They are willing to abandon any capacity for critical thought in the mere hope that the salacious garbage is true.

The core of the ‘pee’ story is this: Trump stayed in a hotel room where Barack and Michelle Obama had stayed years prior, and because he hated Obama so much, Trump hired prostitutes to urinate on each other (and possibly himself) while on that bed as a sign of his hatred. According to the dossier itself:

The hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms…

Here’s two really simple reasons why the pee story is absurd:

First, anyone who has worked in hotels before (as I have done quite some time ago), knows that the odds of this act being performed on the same linen or mattress as the Obamas slept on is precisely zero, the odds of it being the same bed are probably 5%, and the odds of the room in a hotel like the Ritz-Carlton not having undergone significant remodelling in that time is about 20%. Therefore, this display being touted as a sign of his hatred for the Obamas, by virtue of it being on a 'bed they slept in years ago', is absurd.

Secondly, and more importantly, is a really, really simple question: if the hotel was “known to be under FSB control”, then why did the Secret Service allow a President to stay there?

Here's an article titled “13 ways Secret Service agents keep the president safe when he travels”. For those who can’t be bothered reading, here’s a couple of relevant points:

9. Agents background all hotel workers
Before the president arrives, Secret Service agents run background checks on all hotel employees, Kessler said. Anyone with any record of violence - even a minor charge like fourth-degree assault - will be asked not to come in to work during the president's stay, he said.

10. They clear out three floors of the hotel
In addition to the floor containing the president's suite, agents will also cordon off the floors above and below his room. No one, except those in the president's detail, will be able to stay in those rooms, Kessler said.

11. They throw out the electronics
Before the president arrives in his room, agents perform a complete sweep of all rooms where the president will be, Kessler said. They'll check for bugging devices and concealed explosives. Then the agents will take apart all pictures to ensure nothing is hidden in the frames. They also place bulletproof plastic over the windows, he said. They also remove the phones and TVs to ensure the room is devoid of wiretapping and eavesdropping devices and replace them with their own secure electronics, Kessler said.

So in order for the pee dossier to be true, the SS have allowed the president to stay in a hotel “known to be under FSB control”, plus the rigorous checks to the hotel staff and rooms has failed to detect hidden cameras and microphones.

Seriously, there are people on ATS who should be well embarrassed.

I believe the dossier had more of an influence than intended. Apparently it influenced the initial DNI report about Russian meddling back in Jan 2017. The notion that Putin orchestrated the whole hacking affair, for instance, seemed lifted directly from it.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04


For Sure.

I remember how certain frequent Leftist posters were DEAD CERTAIN the Steele Dossier was 100% legit...and it was gonna bring Trump down.


These very same frequent Leftist posters were DEAD CERTAIN Mueller would find COLLUSION with the Russians...and it was gonna bring Trump down.


These very same certain Leftist posters were also DEAD CERTAIN that 'Creepy Porn Lawyer', Michael 'Hottie' Avenatti was just wonderful...and that he was gonna bring Trump down.


NOW...these very same certain Leftist posters are DEAD CERTAIN obstruction is gonna bring Trump down.


They don't seem to have a very good track record of being right about anything.

a reply to: Rewey

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


you really dispute that trump is not the type to be involved in scandalous affairs? ok. be best!

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Rewey

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


you really dispute that trump is not the type to be involved in scandalous affairs? ok. be best!

Absence of evidence is not evidence either.

Are you the type to believe any allegation is proof of guilt?

I'm still waiting for any of the multiple ATS member who stood confidently behind Mr. Steele and his work to come into this thread and say something.

I'm sure they'll be along any minute now.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
I'm still waiting for any of the multiple ATS member who stood confidently behind Mr. Steele and his work to come into this thread and say something.

I'm sure they'll be along any minute now.

The parrots are still waiting for Maddow to say something on this first.

THEN they'll have something to represent as their 'personal' opinion.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Rewey

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


you really dispute that trump is not the type to be involved in scandalous affairs? ok. be best!

Nope, but I'll bet my life that you could trace back the last 20 Presidents and find something equally salacious, albeit not as widely reported.

My point was quite clear: specific allegations of the dossier, which so many news outlets and ATS posters claimed was gospel, were such obvious nonsense that they should feel rightfully embarrassed. I merely pointed out two simple reasons why the application of even a modicum of critical analysis should be enough for people to realise they were being played as utter fools.

I don't expect everyone to have thought about it from the hotel experience perspective, but I absolutely believe that the MSM 'journalists' should have queried the story from the perspective of the Secret Service simply allowing a President to stay in a hotel "known to be under FSB control". All of those outlets would have 'journalists' travelling with the President on overseas visits, and would be well aware of the processes the SS take. The outrage expressed by 'journalists' having to move hotels in Korea recently demonstrates how many tag along to document foreign travel.

But they didn't. They just ignored it because even if they didn't want it to be true, they sure AF wanted as many idiot plebs to believe it was...

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Rewey

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Besides, the ENTIRE sum of actual evidence for this allegation is a random paragraph from the internet attributed to "Source D", as per below:

According to the Source D, where s/he had been present, TRUMP's (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the suite if the Ritz Carlton Hotel, where he knew President and Mrs OBAMA (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing prostitutes to perform a 'golden showers' (urination) show in front of him. The hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms to record anything they wanted to.

If that's seriously all some people need to jump on board, then it's no wonder there are so many wealthy Nigerian princes in the world...

originally posted by: Rewey

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Rewey

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

Besides, the ENTIRE sum of actual evidence for this allegation is a random paragraph from the internet attributed to "Source D", as per below:

According to the Source D, where s/he had been present, TRUMP's (perverted) conduct in Moscow included hiring the suite if the Ritz Carlton Hotel, where he knew President and Mrs OBAMA (whom he hated) had stayed on one of their official trips to Russia, and defiling the bed where they had slept by employing prostitutes to perform a 'golden showers' (urination) show in front of him. The hotel was known to be under FSB control with microphones and concealed cameras in all the main rooms to record anything they wanted to.

If that's seriously all some people need to jump on board, then it's no wonder there are so many wealthy Nigerian princes in the world...

It gets even worse than that. Because we know that the "pee tapes" story originated as an anonymous rumor on 4chan. That's who "Source D" is.

originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: Rewey

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.


you really dispute that trump is not the type to be involved in scandalous affairs? ok. be best!

Absence of evidence after an exhaustive 2 year investigation usually is evidence of absence.

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

CONNECTED:

Former Rep. Trey Gowdy and John Ratcliffe were the only Republicans to see the probable cause evidence and read the the evidence last year behind the FISA warrants to spy on Trump campaign operatives.

And the evidence centered around the Steele dossier — an unverified piece of political garbage thrown together and paid for by the Clinton campaign.

Appearing on FoxNews (4.22.2019), Ratcliffe told former Rep. Jason Chaffetz that James Comey, Sally Yates, Andy McCabe and Rod Rosenstein, who verified the document, have explaining to do.

They all posted in big bold letters “VERIFIED APPLICATION” all in capitals on all of their warrants to the FISA Court to spy on Carter Page and the Trump campaign.

Ratcliffe added, “So Comey and Sally Yates and everyone who signed the FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign all verified what was in the warrant. And they verified that Christopher Steele was a credible source.

They verified that the Steele dossier had been corroborate. None of that was true. So the court can only know what they were told and they weren’t told that Christopher Steele was out to get Donald Trump.

They weren’t told that the Steele dossier was paid for by Hillary Clinton.”

This is a huge development!

Source: www.thegatewaypundit.com... spy-on-trump-video/

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
I'm still waiting for any of the multiple ATS member who stood confidently behind Mr. Steele and his work to come into this thread and say something.

I'm sure they'll be along any minute now.

Don't be Silly. It'll never happen.

Well. Here is the Mueller Report.
With redactions.

Hint - the redactions aren't because Trump is cool.

www.cnet.com...

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
I'm still waiting for any of the multiple ATS member who stood confidently behind Mr. Steele and his work to come into this thread and say something.

I'm sure they'll be along any minute now.

You rang?

You read the Mueller Report!!?!

So did I.

I'm interested in how you could read that and come out blaming other people...

a reply to: Samanth9956

You rang?

You've, "confidently stood behind Mr. Steele?"

In a recent court testimony Steele has acknowledged that his final December 2016 report (# 166), contained information he never vetted. He stated that:

“The contents of the report did not represent (and did not purport to represent) verified facts, but were raw intelligence which had identified a range of allegations that warranted investigation given their potential national security implications”.

It’s easy to get lost in all of these weasel words but the common term for “raw intelligence” that does not represent nor purport to represent credible or verified facts is called a rumor.

On the question of chain of transmission, we have the same problem as with the verifiability. When asked about his collection methods, Steele said:

“Such intelligence was not actively sought; it was merely received.”

The Mechanics of Deception

So you agree that the dossier was unverified?

Nope.

My question still stands.

Did you read the Mueller Report.

How do you feel about McGahn being subpoenaed?

Why does Trump Tweet like an insecure child?