IRS claims waitresses and waiters, underreport their tips in cash by 84%. Bartenders?

Just wondering where Bartenders fit into this situation. Just wondering................

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Good morning OPS! So tell us what you think about my subject line about Bartenders as here's my opinion. We all were kids that grew up and and for many of us we became adults. Remember High School or even Middle School. You betcha! To hell with our parents as we had privilege and access to drugs, guns, porn, boos and moonshine and yes we all discussed the best ways to get around paying taxes. Yep we did, especially in the second tier suburbs we had connections of privilege that live on for life. So you say it not accurate or true? Surely you jest. So are you MEEK because you don't believe that could be true, because I no longer believe the MEEK will inherit the earth. You know the guys and gals who stand on the sidelines. They say nothing, see nothing and do nothing.

In my opine the criminals will inherit the earth and its all about under reporting income.

As kids we also talked about our jobs as a waitress, waiter or bartender and all of those cash tips, tips and tips and our 75 /25 rule of thumb. So we pocket 75% and only report 25% as income on our taxes. Well I never worked in any of the above positions as i didn't have that privilege. I was a 15 year old dishwasher, stocked the bar and ooooo, I also cleaned the toilets. Yikes as I saw stuff in those restrooms that I should have reported to MUFON as no not a UFO but a SFO. Oh and no one ever shared a tip with me. Were they supposed to?

So comment on.

Well duh....

Know who else doesnt report income?

Back yard mechanics.
Ladies having garage sales.
Drug dealers.
Etc
Etc
Etc

a reply to: Waterglass

I can't speak from personal experience, I've always had tax paying jobs that didn't tip. But I know that when I went through a divorce, my ex was making more money than me. She was a bartender at night and a babysitter for her friend's two kids by day. She got $150 a week from that, and several hundred a week from bartending. When child support and amount earned came up, she made it look like she was a single mom who stayed home with the kids all day and I couldn't prove otherwise. So she didn't report anything. ANYTHING.

a reply to: LSU2018

So how did that Male patriarchy thing work for you?

Lol

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Well duh....

Know who else doesnt report income?

Back yard mechanics.
Ladies having garage sales.
Drug dealers.
Etc
Etc
Etc

Politicians
Movie stars
Athletes
Politicians
Billionaires.


The offshore fake companies money funneling scheme didn't disappear when our attention was quickly diverted

a reply to: Waterglass

Wonder at what percentage rate the super rich under reported their earnings for tax , my advice to the IRS would be leave the minnow's alone and go after the sharks.

The fact tips are taxed at all is pretty sad.

So the IRS can waste time going after some 19 year olds tip money, but it is seemingly incapable of tracking billions funneled every year into offshore tax havens?

Obviously working as intended.

a reply to: odzeandennz

Bryce harper would disagree with you.

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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: LSU2018

So how did that Male patriarchy thing work for you?

Lol

Exactly like the liberals never say it does. My ex was half Hispanic, too, so I don't know why my white privilege never kicked in. I always hear all about it but I never see the positive results I should get.

a reply to: Bluntone22


Agree. I always was a W2 guy. I live in the South and many of these guys don't even give you a receipt. Also their "warranty" is verbal and those that do warrant in writing don't honor it so you have to sue them in small claims court. The South is still the Wild West.

Well, the really big offenders in the food service business are 7 year olds with Lemonade stands! The IRS should go after those little lemonade moguls and magnates. Oh wait, they already do!!!

The IRS is like the mafia, but at least with the mafia you theoretically get some protection from thugs wanting to extort money from you (like the rest of government). Not with the IRS.

a reply to: LSU2018

My ex had the greatest embezzlement scheme that she learned from her mother. I never notice it until after the divorce was finalized. Probably took me for $48,000 over 12 years. She was such an arsehole; as a USPS employee, she was caught stealing cash from her cash drawer. Gee she told me that she had allergies. Sniff sniff. They caught her on camera and the Union saved her and her job. Prior to that she was offered a Postmaster job. That's back in the 1990's and she turned it down. Why? Something about not wanting to be responsible for the keys and having to open and close the Post Office in a safe snow white suburb. Huh?

Its amazing when you yourself aren't of a criminal mind they can really pull the wool over ones eyes and I don't consider myself naive or blind. Sheet.

Life is tough as one must remain on high alert 24 / 7. Then we die.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Were they or some states chasing the lemonade kids under Lois Lerner?

a reply to: Waterglass

I am a contrarian, for sure, believing income tax is 'theft', taken under threat of duress.

I guess if you believe this, then the waiters, waitresses, and maybe bartenders too (probably?) are just resisting the illegal government cartel, because they still 'can'.

a reply to: gortex


My guess is on average 40%. I have served in Senior Management as a member of the Staff and some of the guys running private companies are out right sleaze. However, they keep there Accountant attached to their hip so you never see the goods. Its an unproven hunch as they also falsify OSHA accidents along with Workers Compensation Claims to which I was privy too. I have no idea who those lawyers are for the ones who get hurt as the claims just fade away and are never resolved when they are black and white.

originally posted by: Ohanka
So the IRS can waste time going after some 19 year olds tip money, but it is seemingly incapable of tracking billions funneled every year into offshore tax havens?

Obviously working as intended.

The IRS knows it goes there. Ask the politicians why it is allowed.

originally posted by: odzeandennz

originally posted by: Bluntone22
Well duh....

Know who else doesnt report income?

Back yard mechanics.
Ladies having garage sales.
Drug dealers.
Etc
Etc
Etc

Politicians
Movie stars
Athletes
Politicians
Billionaires.


The offshore fake companies money funneling scheme didn't disappear when our attention was quickly diverted

I wouldn't say that's always the case with Actors... People like Wesley Snipes beg to differ... hahaha

a reply to: LSU2018

I am white but I never was privileged. I even had a brother who graduated 99% yet he could not get into a Medical School in the best Universities. Why? No connections and no privilege yet today hes in MENSA and has [2] Doctoral degrees and is a Department Chair. I had to work most of the suck jobs even into adulthood. Sheet, I was never even allowed to date certain girls including all Cheerleaders in High School as the privileged sons of the Country Club Crowd consisting of Doctors, Lawyers and Executives, they were such a large gang of over 60 among a graduating class of over 600. They ran the joint. Try to get close to their Harem and 5 or more would gang up and beat the sheet of of you such you would require stitches. My old man told me to fight them. Sure dad. But he knew the game as he also was not of privilege so he couldn't do anything. Same with Football. Your only way out is your growth scheme. If you remain small your out, but if your larger then them you may be accepted as they cant beat you up.

After High School I began to grow, lifted weights and worked out as I was never going to grow through that crap in College. I didn't. I ended up being much larger than those Country Club guys in high school but they still set my life parameters along with many others in that school. I did end being invited to a NFL Free Agent tryout camp. I was 186, 6' 1" and was timed around 11 second something in the 100 yard dash. I was a fast white guy but I still didn't have the mental toughness that I have today. I dropped the balls as a tryout wide receiver and lost my opportunity. That's on me.

a reply to: Waterglass

Geez... This one was putting money in a secret account for about 5 years and I had no idea. I kept asking why I saw a letter about he truck note being late, or house note, or utilities. She would always say "Hmm, well I can't imagine why they're sending letters or calling, I already paid them. Maybe they haven't gotten the payment yet." Yeah, they hadn't gotten it alright. Because she wasn't paying until last minute. I happened to accidentally find a Bank One box of checks in the closet hidden behind a lot of stuff, it had her name her work address on it so that I wouldn't see the bank stubs.

Personally, I have difficulty in understanding how tips are considered earned income. It is simply a rewarded charity gift that is given to another and varies greatly. I certainly don't see why tips given in any service should be claimed. I may pay my service bills with check or card, but always tip with cash directly.