TRUMP needs to fight hard now he is in the clear

a reply to: Malak777

Absolutely right

Time to come out swinging, harder than he ever has before

This report gives him the reality-based cover he needs to really let them have it

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Malak777

Do you think Trump has been cleared?

Trump has been cleared. Twice now

10/31/2016
www.nytimes.com...
"Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia"

And of course the bomb-shell Mueller report which clears him of "conspiracy" and "obstruction" (that's what "no evidence/no charges means" for those who apparently have no understanding of law)

Your wishful thinking isn't a substitute for reality.

Trump has been cleared by TWO federal investigations

a reply to: JBurns

I'm looking forward to his next rally.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Malak777

Do you think Trump has been cleared?

LMFAO. You Guys are in full swing the last 24hours!

There was "No Russian Collusion".

Wtf does Trump need to be cleared of?

... 448 pages and nowhere does it say that Trump is cleared of collusion.

In fact, on page 180 it says that "collusion is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in US law; nor is it a term of art in Federal criminal law". The section goes on to explain that the actual charges would be conspiracy, obstruction of justice and related crimes such as the misuse of campaign funds and FARA violations.

The report also identifies that both Mannafort and Gates were guilty of conspiracy but were not charged with it (as the charge could easily be appealed against) instead, they received charges that were less likely to be appealed against.

How does any of that clear Trump?

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: chr0naut

Isn't that obvious.

It is obvious that Trump was not charged.

But nothing in the report specifically clears Trump of anything and there is much to suggest that Trump was guilty, but not charged.

Consider that on page 213, Mueller makes specific mention of "The Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) has issued an opinion finding that "the indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions" in violation of "the constitutional separation of powers.".

This is saying that the President is immune from prosecution.

The inclusion of the mention of this fact in the report implies that Mueller would be unable to indict or charge the President regardless of his guilt (or otherwise). By inference, one might reasonably assume that Mueller saw the president as guilty and was constrained from charging him but wanted to clearly say why he wasn't charging him.

The Mueller report, even in its current, highly redacted state, does the clear opposite of exonerating Trump.

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: chr0naut

originally posted by: Trueman

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Malak777
Do you think Trump has been cleared?

He'll never be accepted by the Democratic libtard left.
That's how we the people know Trump is good.

Ahh, the wee people!
Are they the same ones who knew that Nixon was good?

Only you guys can compare Trump with Nixon.

"I am not a crook"

"No collusion, no obstruction"

Hmm?

originally posted by: JBurns

originally posted by: chr0naut
a reply to: Malak777

Do you think Trump has been cleared?

Trump has been cleared. Twice now

10/31/2016
www.nytimes.com...
"Investigating Donald Trump, F.B.I. Sees No Clear Link to Russia"

And of course the bomb-shell Mueller report which clears him of "conspiracy" and "obstruction" (that's what "no evidence/no charges means" for those who apparently have no understanding of law)

Your wishful thinking isn't a substitute for reality.

Trump has been cleared by TWO federal investigations

If no charges indicates innocence, then why did Mueller include that long bit at the start of part II about not being able to prosecute a sitting President?

Why did Trump say "This is the end of my Presidency, I'm f***ed", out loud and in front of witnesses, when hearing that Mueller was investigating Russian interference in the 2016 elections?

Not to mention all the self incriminatory denials Trump tweeted.

Clearly, Trump thought he was guilty.

a reply to: chr0naut

If no charges indicates innocence,

Hold on just one minute here...It does indicate innocence! Presumptive innocence is still a "thing" here in the States.

then why did Mueller include that long bit at the start of part II about not being able to prosecute a sitting President?

It was an addendum discussing legal theories. It was a working document. Mueller specifically said there was insufficient evidence to establish a conspiracy between Trump or any American and Russia. That is why he did not recommend presenting the case to a grand jury (or impeachment). He punted the question of obstruction to the AG/Deputy AG who - in concert with DOJ lawyers - determined there was no "corrupt intent" and that no act was carried out that obstructed the investigation. They specifically said Article 2 concerns were not behind their declination to criminally charge him (or recommend impeachment)

The entire document was a working document, which is why I say it is remarkable we saw so much of it.

Why did Trump say "This is the end of my Presidency, I'm f***ed", out loud and in front of witnesses, when hearing that Mueller was investigating Russian interference in the 2016 elections?

You must think we are making this "deep state" stuff up don't you? If he said that, it was because this deep state hoax was taking flight and he expected it to ruin his mandate and the public's perception. However, Dems were fighting a public perception battle the entire time trying to wield the investigation in progress/shadow of doubt as a weapon against him

It is why they parroted "collusion, collusion, collusion" 24/7. It wasn't "Obstruction" ad nauseum, "Collusion" is the word they repeated to no end. Insisting, with religious like devotion, that "Russia collusion" between Trump/the Trump campaign would result in many arrests, including Trump's family and some (even here) speculated members of congress.

That didn't happen. There was no "collusion" (conspiracy) and there was no obstruction

Not to mention all the self incriminatory denials Trump tweeted.

What a joke. So he was supposed to say nothing while the hack media and Dems spewed their lies 24/7 about him? I don't think so. When you aren't guilty of a crime and are being railroaded by treasonous, worthless, sub human pieces of #, strongly worded denials are the only way to go. He has a right to defend himself, and it would be very suspicious if he did not. Nobody remains silent when falsely accused by sour grape petty losers of something they didn't do

Clearly, Trump thought he was guilty.

We will see about that. When The Treason Trials begin, it won't be Trump that is handed a blindfold and cigarette.

You don't get to "read between the lines" or "connect the dots" or cite "anonymous sources of associates who know someone's brother on the investigation team." You don't have the moral high ground. You don't have the narrative. And you most certainly don't have credibility. Anybody who pushed this petty, bitter, sour grapes deluded paranoid hoax has 0 credibility remaining

And believe me the dem party will be left on the same page as the Greens when all is said and done. That is of course unless moderates grow a pair, sack up and take their party back from the far left losers who boxed them into such an embarrassing corner.

I just hope Dems in congress are stupid enough (and they are pretty dumb) to go forward with impeachment. For the love of God, PLEASE do it. We are calling your bluff, impeach him go ahead! It will only hasten the demise of the "lesser than" party.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut

If no charges indicates innocence,

Hold on just one minute here...It does indicate innocence! Presumptive innocence is still a "thing" here in the States.

then why did Mueller include that long bit at the start of part II about not being able to prosecute a sitting President?

It was an addendum discussing legal theories. It was a working document. Mueller specifically said there was insufficient evidence to establish a conspiracy between Trump or any American and Russia. That is why he did not recommend presenting the case to a grand jury (or impeachment). He punted the question of obstruction to the AG/Deputy AG who - in concert with DOJ lawyers - determined there was no "corrupt intent" and that no act was carried out that obstructed the investigation. They specifically said Article 2 concerns were not behind their declination to criminally charge him (or recommend impeachment)

The entire document was a working document, which is why I say it is remarkable we saw so much of it.

Why did Trump say "This is the end of my Presidency, I'm f***ed", out loud and in front of witnesses, when hearing that Mueller was investigating Russian interference in the 2016 elections?

You must think we are making this "deep state" stuff up don't you? If he said that, it was because this deep state hoax was taking flight and he expected it to ruin his mandate and the public's perception. However, Dems were fighting a public perception battle the entire time trying to wield the investigation in progress/shadow of doubt as a weapon against him

It is why they parroted "collusion, collusion, collusion" 24/7. It wasn't "Obstruction" ad nauseum, "Collusion" is the word they repeated to no end. Insisting, with religious like devotion, that "Russia collusion" between Trump/the Trump campaign would result in many arrests, including Trump's family and some (even here) speculated members of congress.

That didn't happen. There was no "collusion" (conspiracy) and there was no obstruction

Not to mention all the self incriminatory denials Trump tweeted.

What a joke. So he was supposed to say nothing while the hack media and Dems spewed their lies 24/7 about him? I don't think so. When you aren't guilty of a crime and are being railroaded by treasonous, worthless, sub human pieces of #, strongly worded denials are the only way to go. He has a right to defend himself, and it would be very suspicious if he did not. Nobody remains silent when falsely accused by sour grape petty losers of something they didn't do

Clearly, Trump thought he was guilty.

We will see about that. When The Treason Trials begin, it won't be Trump that is handed a blindfold and cigarette.

You don't get to "read between the lines" or "connect the dots" or cite "anonymous sources of associates who know someone's brother on the investigation team." You don't have the moral high ground. You don't have the narrative. And you most certainly don't have credibility. Anybody who pushed this petty, bitter, sour grapes deluded paranoid hoax has 0 credibility remaining

And believe me the dem party will be left on the same page as the Greens when all is said and done. That is of course unless moderates grow a pair, sack up and take their party back from the far left losers who boxed them into such an embarrassing corner.

I just hope Dems in congress are stupid enough (and they are pretty dumb) to go forward with impeachment. For the love of God, PLEASE do it. We are calling your bluff, impeach him go ahead! It will only hasten the demise of the "lesser than" party.

Repeated serious allegations have been brought against several Presidents including Bush, Hillary and Obama. Where are their repeated and strenuous denials?

They used to say that "discretion is the better part of valor" but those are fairly antiquated words with little meaning these days.

Perhaps it might be easier to understand "it is better to be called an idiot and to shut up, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Clear of criminal actions? Yep. That died with Mueller Report.

Clear of political actions? Nope. Dems have a majority in the House so passing impeachment to the Senate is probable. It just dies in the Senate. Dems then have a 3rd bite at the apple with the 2020 election. However, advancing a socialist candidate is likely a losing strategy. The moderate Dems running will get scorched by the socialist field of Dems in the primaries.

DJT will be on the ticket. Doubts of that ended with Mueller Report. As BO stated, elections have consequences. The Left is experiencing that first hand. White House, Senate, SCOTUS, DOJ, and Federal judges throughout. The coup attempt failed. Now it’s just an annoyance that can be ignored and/or ridiculed.

a reply to: chr0naut

None of those individuals* (hillary) or Presidents (Bush, Obama) were investigated by a special counsel or the DOJ, nor did they have the media and members of congress repeatedly and assuredly claiming it was true vs. just reporting on the known facts and allegations

Hillary was not a President, nor will she likely ever be*

This was entirely without precedent

They used to say that "discretion is the better part of valor" but those are fairly antiquated words with little meaning these days.

Perhaps it might be easier to understand "it is better to be called an idiot and to shut up, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Yes yes, poke fun... but some of this stuff needs to be said

If that makes me an idiot or indiscreet than so be it. Don't you get it? Our Republic is under attack by an establishment deep state. When that happens you don't worry about niceties like civility, "rule of law" or how something looks. You work

Your quotes are not lost on me however I just wish I had the luxury of remaining silent. But in an age of total deception and intentional subversion, I see no alternative other than to call it out each and every time. I only hope that enough folks doing the same thing will be enough

originally posted by: oloufo
a reply to: Malak777

you guys still trust this guy? you make up threads about obamas birth-certificate or hillarys child-porn-connection and pointing out every single word they said in search for something fishy, but a 400 pages report about trumps strange behaviour and lies is clearing him off?

These guys have the real TDS. Trump Derangement Syndrome.

originally posted by: JBurns
a reply to: chr0naut
None of those individuals* (hillary) or Presidents (Bush, Obama) were investigated by a special counsel or the DOJ, nor did they have the media and members of congress repeatedly and assuredly claiming it was true vs. just reporting on the known facts and allegations

Hillary was not a President, nor will she likely ever be*

Yes, my bad. I was thinking Clinton (hubby) but mis-wrote Hillary.

Nor do I think (or want) Hillary to be President.

This was entirely without precedent

They used to say that "discretion is the better part of valor" but those are fairly antiquated words with little meaning these days.

Perhaps it might be easier to understand "it is better to be called an idiot and to shut up, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt".

Yes yes, poke fun... but some of this stuff needs to be said

If that makes me an idiot or indiscreet than so be it. Don't you get it? Our Republic is under attack by an establishment deep state. When that happens you don't worry about niceties like civility, "rule of law" or how something looks. You work

Your quotes are not lost on me however

I just wish I had the luxury of remaining silent. But in an age of total deception and intentional subversion, I see no alternative other than to call it out each and every time. I only hope that enough folks doing the same thing will be enough

I was not suggesting that you should remain silent.

I was merely pointing out that Trump, by responding to his accusers in the way he has, has validated their accusations and made himself look guilty in the same way that Nixon's "I'm not a crook" was seized upon in the public mind as meaning exactly the opposite.

Others, when accused of things that were likely much worse, did not dignify the accusations with a response.

originally posted by: PilSungMtnMan
Clear of criminal actions? Yep. That died with Mueller Report.

Clear of political actions? Nope. Dems have a majority in the House so passing impeachment to the Senate is probable. It just dies in the Senate. Dems then have a 3rd bite at the apple with the 2020 election. However, advancing a socialist candidate is likely a losing strategy. The moderate Dems running will get scorched by the socialist field of Dems in the primaries.

DJT will be on the ticket. Doubts of that ended with Mueller Report. As BO stated, elections have consequences. The Left is experiencing that first hand. White House, Senate, SCOTUS, DOJ, and Federal judges throughout. The coup attempt failed. Now it’s just an annoyance that can be ignored and/or ridiculed.

Annoyed ridiculed and perp walk pic's to follow shortly. God willing.

a reply to: Malak777

He is most certainly not in the clear. He is going to get prosecuted for obstruction of justice.

a reply to: chr0naut

I know. I wonder what more could be revealed in a non redacted version when this one was pretty damning all on its own without the dirty details and names.

a reply to: chr0naut

Clearly, Trump thought he was guilty.

Quite possibly the only time trump and I will ever agree on anything.

a reply to: JBurns

Hold on just one minute here...It does indicate innocence! Presumptive innocence is still a "thing" here in the States

Unless your name is Hillary Clinton .... then it doesn't mean a thing except the "Deep State" is working on your behalf.

Nothing in the report indicates any kind of innocence for djt. It clearly maps out how they will persue him once he is out of office.
HE PLANS TO BE PRESIDENT FOR 16 YEARS HE SAYS.... LOL.

a reply to: JBurns

e will see about that. When The Treason Trials begin,

Treason trials? Oh My Gawd.....

ok dude.
Right after he prosecutes Clinton right? Right? RIGHT! ? ? ?

a reply to: Malak777

In fact, Trump is now in the clear.

NO collusion
No obstruction
the crap show is over

he beat them at their own game
and they are furious

when the entire story is shown they will be in big trouble