Salvation comes NOT by Islam nor The Law of Moses, but by accepting Christ as Lord (Christ's Law)

a reply to: DBCowboy

Me too my Brother..

Me too..

a reply to: schuyler

The Lord is on The Side of Love, and if he is going around insulting people just for believing in The Revelation of Jesus Christ, The Love of God appearing as The Word and Light of Jesus Christ , then I feel sorry for him and I wish him happiness.


As The Lord said, "Bless those who curse you and do good to those who hate you".

a reply to: lightofgratitude

omg lol

a reply to: DBCowboy

Sadly, "spirituality" has been hijacked by Christianity. It's their adopted catchall for all the goodness that their god alone can disperse as he sees fit. According to modern evangelicals, you can't have one without the other. They make the rules.

in 10 000 years, i wonder if religion will still exist?
or will it be a form of primitive practice by early humans, like the way we thought fire and volcanoes were gods

a reply to: odzeandennz

One day, human beings might reject God for greed and pride and accept the mark of the beast (666). Jesus Christ is still Lord regardless. God is Love and Love can reveal itself as a person (Jesus Christ).

a reply to: lightofgratitude

People who idol worship words will not achieve salvation.

originally posted by: lightofgratitude
a reply to: odzeandennz

One day, human beings might reject God for greed and pride and accept the mark of the beast (666). Jesus Christ is still Lord regardless. God is Love and Love can reveal itself as a person (Jesus Christ).

You cannot have a Lord without having slaves. Our omnipotent God of unconditional love is not a slave owner.

originally posted by: dfnj2015

originally posted by: lightofgratitude
a reply to: odzeandennz

One day, human beings might reject God for greed and pride and accept the mark of the beast (666). Jesus Christ is still Lord regardless. God is Love and Love can reveal itself as a person (Jesus Christ).

You cannot have a Lord without having slaves. Our omnipotent God of unconditional love is not a slave owner.

Jesus came to serve, He still does

So many Christians and no believe that Christians are under the Mosaic covenant not the new covenant of Christ
Christians don’t serve the law, we don’t undertake any Old Testament laws, no Ten Commandments, no rules that God gave to Moses
Christians are lead in love by the Holy Spirit

Jesus serves, we are to be like Jesus and serve other in love
If a person disagrees, won’t accept, that’s your choice,free will in action. Not here to force faith

a reply to: lightofgratitude
I dont get it, what are you dudes being saved from?

I mean the fact that you don't practice the rituals of tradition, may make you right, or it may just mean that your lazy. You know this Jesus fella kind of frowned up worshiping idols, and then you all go ahead and make him an idol cross and all.

Hmm a bit of a contradiction there don't ya think?

How about this then. Salvation does not come by Islam, it does not even come by the laws of Mosses, and in fact it does not even come by believing in Jesus, you lazy buggers you.

In fact I would say that salvation may not come at all. What then?

It may be a hoax, or propaganda, or just misinformation, or just more old bad habits from ages ago, and as we know old habits die hard.

OK! Now that we know that salvation will not come. The only question that I have which still remains is. Salvation from what?

a reply to: lightofgratitude


Remembering Good Friday.

a reply to: galadofwarthethird

Salvation from hellish suffering and cruelty. Salvation through Love for Heavenly Peace. May The Kingdom Come on Earth as it is in Heaven.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: lightofgratitude

You know what the world needs? Another person with an opinion of what the bible says. How about a different blood cult for a change?

Yeah! Stop THINKING! All the good ideas are already out there, just go learn about those and stop trying to use your brain to think and reason! Just shut down your mind and stop with these opinions! Or just keep them to yourself cause nobody finds The Bible interesting to talk about!


Find another blood cult.

Sure, the Bible has mathematical codes that prove it had a divine influence, and the Bible has Jesus who fulfilled over 1,000 different prophecies to the letter...

But talking about Jesus puts woodcarver in a sour mood so lets go read about pedophile Mohammed instead.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: lightofgratitude

I like faith. I like the spirit of faith.

I'm pretty disappointed in religion though.

Its kind of the lesson in all this. Mankind alone is a mess. We take something that works and run with it, and decide to make changes to it and screw it all up.

The spirit of spirtuality? A beautiful concept to behold in ones mind. Once man gets his greedy paws on it, its DOOMED. We cant even be trusted with a Little bit of power over other living beings.

I dont know what comes next, but, at some point we are gonna have to take a long look at ourselves.

originally posted by: Woodcarver
You know what the world needs? Another person with an opinion of what the bible says.

That's not a bad thing. In other religions being off-message could end up in religious people getting very offended and nasty.

a reply to: lightofgratitude

Well that is about unspecific as it can be, I mean can you get even less arbitrary. And how would believing in Jesus or for that matter any other region accomplish that? By magic? Or is this like how the socialists believe that an utopia would happen, also by magic. As if anything was created in the whole of existence without somebody or something working at it.

But ya, the traversal and shift from higher hell, that earth resides in, to lower hell can be quite swift, I have seen it happen before. Being stuck on here, on planet earth can be quite a hell, but it can always get worse that for sure, but still its nothing like being in the 9th darkness. So in that sense what those saying that Jesus was talking about make a sort of sense.

Unless your talking about another arbitrary thing like life after death? What would be the point of that? In the words of the great Bender from futurama "if i had to go through a whole nother life, I would kill myself right now"

But in general, you want to find hell or the devil, you don't have to look very far. I would say that as far as a mirror would suffice for 100% of people out there.

I think your making little sense, that is the problem with you religious people, its not that you make no sense. Its that you make little sense.

a reply to: paraphi
In fact this opening post doesn't even count as "off-message"- it's actually pretty standard teaching. I was putting a similar argument in one of the posts of a recent series of my own.

a reply to: lightofgratitude

You do realize that the Prophet Mohammed proclaimed that Jesus was his Messiah? Mohammed also said that people who didn't follow Mosses and Jesus teachings and remain fearful of God's judgment would be judged harshly by God, but that anyone who obeyed the teachings would be granted Mercy by God.

If Mohammed was a sinner who proclaimed that Jesus was his Messiah and that his salvation came through his faith in his Messiah and you are a sinner making the same claim how is it that you place yourself above him? Are you a prophet?

Maybe Islam isn't following the Qur'an in the same way that Jesus accused the Jews of not following the Torah. Maybe they are following the contradictory teachings of the Hadiths the way the Jews were following the contradictory teachings in the Talmud. And like many Christians point out how various denominations are not following Christ's teachings, maybe different sects of Islam are teaching incorrectly.

But you proclaim to know all. Are you a prophet?

a reply to: lightofgratitude

If that's the case, then why even bother bringing up Genesis or even using any of the Ten commandments. Also he did proclaim not to change them, but rather to fulfill them that were made by his daddy!

Whose his Daddy an what does he do? Sodomized the Sodomites like it were an eye for an eye...ten fold.

Do unto others, or he will do unto you.