Vegan Savages

Extreme situations require extreme responses. When there's an urgent situation - such as a threat to life - we'll usually go the extra mile and do what needs to be done. We drop our vanity and stop worrying what people will think of us. And while it seems obvious to say that, I still see a lot of carnivores worrying they'll seem 'too extreme' if they talk openly about the slaughter of 70 trillion plants each year, and the countless fungi creatures.

There was a time when I got a few pats on the back for not being 'one of those' carnivores. Friends told me I was 'okay' because I didn't 'bang on' about it. And that annoyed me because I knew they were really saying: "My conscience isn't being unsettled, so I can continue eating hopelessly defenseless plants without feeling bad."

Well, I soon became 'one of those carnivores'. I rediscovered my passion for activism, raising issues and making a fuss - and fundraising for fruit tree sanctuaries, which I think are so important. I've also been writing some grisly exposes for national newspapers, highlighting what really happens in the vegetable and spice industries, beyond the branding and marketing spin.

The 'right kind' of carnivore'?
It would have been easier to accept praise from plant-eaters for being the 'right kind' of carnivore, but I've never gone looking for an easy life. I'd rather tell the truth - and that's bound to unsettle some consciences when our species is doing truly awful things.

We're in the middle of a very extreme situation. Increasingly over the last 100 years, our species has mechanized the breeding and killing of our plant cousins. Now they'll sell a berry for a few pennies. A walnuts seeds. Whole heads of lettuce hacked apart. Billions of them who only knew their pot and then the slaughter room. Pepper farms where the baby seeds are stolen. Produce factories where seedlings are used as machines.

Of course it seems extreme. What's happening *is* extreme. If it doesn't seem extreme, you're playing it down.

Tricked into silence
We mustn't be tricked into silence. It's like with the term 'snowflake'. In some circles, the moment someone suggests a more compassionate approach to anything, a boor pops up to call them a 'snowflake'. And now there's 'fake news' too. If you reveal an uncomfortable fact in 2019, some prat is bound to shout 'fake news' at you.

The people shouting 'snowflake', or 'fake news' or 'carnivore extremist' are doing it to try and shut you down. They hope you’ll keep quiet next time. And it's an effective strategy in our image-conscious era, when it seems more and more people are obsessed with themselves and their 'personal brand'.

But I'll say it again: extreme situations require extreme responses. While billions of plants are being enslaved, abused and exploited, we mustn't be afraid to upset the status quo. When would women have got the vote if they'd all been polite about it and asked nicely?

Let people call us what they like. It's about getting them to think more about the plants they eat and the ethics of that. What they think about us doesn't matter.

So I say ignore their insults and keep telling the truth. Have facts and links to share. It doesn't matter if you get labeled as an extremist for simply telling the truth. It only matters that you keep going!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's pretty clear plants don't want to be eaten.

There are literally thousands of phytochemicals produced by plants to avoid being eaten.

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's pretty clear plants don't want to be eaten.

There are literally thousands of phytochemicals produced by plants to avoid being eaten.

Then why do they produce such tasty, tasty fruit?

They clearly want to be eaten.

You're literally enabling them reproduce. You eat the seeds, # them out, they get carried away into nature. Unless you're one of those plant hating septic tank using people.

originally posted by: dug88

Then why do they produce such tasty, tasty fruit?

They clearly want to be eaten.

You're literally enabling them reproduce. You eat the seeds, # them out, they get carried away into nature. Unless you're one of those plant hating septic tank using people.

Huh. There must be armies of people I've never met who have this job for every fruit tree and bush that keeps all of that produce stocked in every grocery store on the planet.

Learn something new every day.

Prior to the Agricultural Revolution, the opportunistic eating of plant-based foods was a relatively miniscule part of the human diet.

Natural plant-based toxins like alkaloids, oxalates, and tannins were eaten in small quantities. And even though toxic – a healthy human body, for the most part, could detoxify them without major issues.

Before the Agricultural Revolution, seeds made up little to no part of the human diet.....Some of the most potent natural plant toxins, that were never eaten before, became food staples.

...

With milling technology, we started stripping the bran and the wheat germ away from the grain, creating ultra-fine grains – the most refined flours in human history.

We took the foods that we invented, that were completely novel to the human diet, that were loaded with antinutrients, and which we were ill-equipped to eat, and began refining them and thereby concentrating them.

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With the advent of agriculture...we completely abandoned our meat-based diet. We even abandoned the plant-based foods we had supplemented our meat-based diets with. We began subsisting on plant-based foods that were rarely / never eaten in human history.

Every single plant specie commonly eaten today – whether fruit or vegetable – is vastly different from its pre-agriculture predecessor. We transformed these plants through artificial selection and engineering to get the biggest, sweetest, most pest-resistant breeds possible.

Someone from these big factories of seed #ters should file an OSHA complaint.

a reply to: dug88

You eat the seeds, # them out, they get carried away into nature. Unless you're one of those plant hating septic tank using people.

I used to be but I contemplated doing it on the fly so to speak all in the name of cutting fresh water wastage flushing, approaching 65 I cant use the drunk excuse if I get busted in public , my wife rehabilitated me to go both, meat & veg. ( all in the name of a balanced body - unbalanced mind ) - the poop manures the seed. Win-win [ Joking/sarcasm ]


Serial Pooper caught!

How Brisbane’s poo jogger was caught by residents
www.news.com.au...

"BRISBANE’S “poo jogger” has resigned from his corporate job after he was photographed in the act. This is how he was finally caught."

BRISBANE’S “poo jogger” has resigned from his national role at a retirement company amid a storm of controversy that has sparked extraordinary worldwide interest. Andrew Douglas Macintosh, 64, was revealed to be the jogger caught defecating on a pathway at a Greenslopes apartment complex on Logan Rd after he was photographed in a local sting...

“If it was once or twice I would just kind of shrug it off … but it was just so blatant and regular,” he said.

The Brisbane City Council said Macintosh had resigned from its Inclusive Brisbane Board, which advises on planning and infrastructure.

He even did work for the Council...truth stranger than fiction!

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Vegans lives matters

#veganshaverights

S & F

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Speaking of extreme vulgans/vegans ...fresh news from last week.

he even posed for the camera caught in the act

www.perthnow.com.au...

The alleged “ringleader” of an animal rights group accused of stealing a dead piglet as well as a $1500 fresian calf from two separate WA farms will likely spend the night in jail after he was unable to provide surety.

James Warden, 25, who is part of the Direct Action Everywhere group which orchestrated anti-meat protests around the country, appeared in Perth Magistrates Court today charged with two counts of aggravated burglary, two counts of stealing and three counts of trespass.

The charged relate to incidents at Nambellup, Hopeland, West Pinjarra and Brunswick between August and November last year.

The unemployed vegan is accused of stealing a dead piglet from a Pinjarra piggery then displaying it as part of a protest outside fast food outlets in Belmont in September 2018.

Mr Warden’s lawyer Marilyn Loveday told the court her client was in NSW visiting his family and was not aware he was wanted in WA, adding she could not believe officers from this unit would “go to the extent of having someone extradited” over the charges.

She also objected to some of the bail conditions set for her client, describing them as “draconian

Yeah why should he be in jail for stealing peoples livelihood in the name of politics - the world is so unfair.

reeeeeeeeeee, waaaaaaaaaaaah,

a reply to: TheConstruKctionofLight

"People like to play word games" and then he states

"Dairy cows are sexually violated they're' raped"

who's changing the meaning of language again?

@ 3:50

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's pretty clear plants don't want to be eaten.

There are literally thousands of phytochemicals produced by plants to avoid being eaten.

Man and some of those chemicals create the most wonderful burn too, and that capseicin (sp) has some awesome anti-inflammatory properties. If those pepper plants really wanted to ward off predators, they shouldn't help me keep the impending ills of old age and cranky joints at bay.

originally posted by: dug88

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's pretty clear plants don't want to be eaten.

There are literally thousands of phytochemicals produced by plants to avoid being eaten.

Then why do they produce such tasty, tasty fruit?

They clearly want to be eaten.

You're literally enabling them reproduce. You eat the seeds, # them out, they get carried away into nature. Unless you're one of those plant hating septic tank using people.

On a sidenote,

This is why plants developed spicyness or other unpleasent to animal flavors, perhaps smells; they evolved defenses much like barbs or thorns so that they didn't get eaten as often and proliferated more.

I also suspect this potentially being the cause or a major factor to why psychoactive plants evolved to develop their otherwise seemingly useless to the plant alkaloids. I'd imagine animals would react as being poisoned in most cases, not enjoy it.

Likewise with alcohol fermenting in rotten fruit, it doesn't taste good or smell good, it's old and bad, don't eat it. I think I've seen a video of some type of animal who enjoys it but I think it was a more intelligent critter, I forgot which.

Homo sapiens just happen to enjoy all of it, it's strange. But not all of them do, many would react the same way an animal would to spicy food, rotten fruit, and ingesting alkaloids unknowingly without intent.

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Yer darn tootin!

Plants have been around much longer than humans, and therefore it could be viewed that they are our evolutionary superiors.

What do Plants Talk About?

#PlantsArePeopleToo

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Shouldn't this be in the jokes/puns/pranks forum?

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

It's pretty clear plants don't want to be eaten.

There are literally thousands of phytochemicals produced by plants to avoid being eaten.

If a head of lettuce didn't want to be eaten, then why is it made of salad?

originally posted by: seattlerat
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Shouldn't this be in the jokes/puns/pranks forum?

Watch your tongue.

Remember the Asparagus families that were taken from their normal environment, moved thousands of miles away into a horrid environment that they had to adapt to survive.

Almost 3/4 of the plants died en route to their nursery... entire sub-species of the Asparagus are now extinct.

So before you get all uppity about things you need to remember the Trail of Spears.

~Kneels in remembrance~

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Drink up patriots!

a reply to: loam

Your sourced material is incomplete at best. Northern Californian tribes, as one example, subsisted largely on acorns, the tannins of which were leached away. The acorn was a dietary staple, by no means a miniscule part of their diet, relative or absolute.

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

Huh. I've never seen acorns for sale in the grocery store, unless they were already glued on a Thanksgiving wreath.

a reply to: loam

Glib responses are cute, but my comment was directed at material you sourced which makes a demonstrably false claim.

a reply to: DictionaryOfExcuses

What part of this description contradicts the following from the link you're debunking, but obviously didn't read:

And for 23 hours and 55 minutes our diet was fairly consistent. It was a meat-based diet. Surely during certain seasons, in certain locations, humans supplemented their meat-based diet with some fruits and plant-based material. And in other locations and times in history, especially during glacial periods, humans subsisted exclusively on meat. But meat was a constant. And during these 23 hours and 55 minutes, no human civilization ever survived without animal food.

Are you saying your tribes ONLY ate acorns?

And with tongue planted firmly in cheek, the very requirement that the tannins required leaching supports the point of this thread... They do not want to be eaten!