Religious Balance

a reply to: pthena

the victim was not AFAIK identified in the theatrical release of the film - but post-hoc embellishments for various novels , comics and the plot arc of all the movies since - id him as " admiral motti "

originally posted by: Raggedyman
I don’t think there should be any religion either, it’s a poison
But then we blame anything but ourselves

Jesus ended religion for christians

I've read the Gospels a few times, looking at the story from differing points of view. If taken literally, it is a very sad tragedy.

The life of the first born male is forfeit to the OT God, example Samson. There was a ritual redemption ceremony of paying 5 shekels to a Kohen. According to Luke, this was done for Jesus.

But then there were these angel messages from the time of his birth, and probably the Psalms of Solomon being looked at by people predicting the Son of David ending the Herodian line, at right about that time. The pressure was on him then.

So he gets baptized ( a rite of passage ), more pressure laid on him by a voice from heaven. So he goes out in the desert fasting for forty days, almost dies ( another rite of passage ).

Caught in a cycle of passage after passage; a liminal man, "I am the door" (John 10:9). He couldn't live like that for very long.

liminality (from the Latin word līmen, meaning "a threshold") is the quality of ambiguity or disorientation that occurs in the middle stage of a rite of passage, when participants no longer hold their pre-ritual status but have not yet begun the transition to the status they will hold when the rite is complete. During a rite's liminal stage, participants "stand at the threshold" between their previous way of structuring their identity, time, or community, and a new way, which completing the rite establishes.
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During liminal periods of all kinds, social hierarchies may be reversed or temporarily dissolved, continuity of tradition may become uncertain, and future outcomes once taken for granted may be thrown into doubt. The dissolution of order during liminality creates a fluid, malleable situation that enables new institutions and customs to become established.
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all liminality must eventually dissolve, for it is a state of great intensity that cannot exist very long without some sort of structure to stabilize it...either the individual returns to the surrounding social structure...or else liminal communities develop their own internal social structure, a condition Turner calls "normative communitas"'.

So Jesus died. The Christians believe that he rose again. Happy Holy Week!

The Christian Community lives according to a new way of seeing things if they have been initiated into the mysteries through baptism, vicariously dying then rising in Christ. That's ceremonial, not literal. They live a new life. That living is a religious life.

So you can say he died because of religion; killed by a religion that he was trapped by, because of the prophecies, and messengers, and voices. That's really sad. But Christians have a different religion, but it's still a religion. They still live. They still eat.

a reply to: pthena
Christianity is a faith with no rules but love
Jesus ended the Jewish religion , He chose that path.

Many people eat and live but choose no religion

There are no mysteries in baptism, it’s a outward sign of faith, obedience and service

Religion is mans attempt to reach God.

God created man to worship, he later called out a certain man whose Grandson's offspring would be the nation that worshiped God. Through them all men were to come to God. But they were to worried about food, gold. silver and leisure to fulfill their purpose. So God came as a man and now calls men from all races to worship in spirit and truth. But God will fulfill his promise to make that Nation, a Nation of priests and give them the promised kingdom, so the whole world can worship Him. religion could be worship but if the heart is not right it is not down in the spirit and truth and fails.

All hail Jehovah in the flesh, Jesus Christ the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, prince of peace, The Lord of Hosts. To him be the glory forever and ever, from everlasting to everlasting. All bow and pay respects to the God of Truth, Love and Peace. AMEN!!!!

a reply to: Raggedyman

I must have forgotten what Christianity is.

So if Christianity is belief only and not religion then it wouldn't matter to a Christian if he or she lived in a Communist society, or a Socialist society or a Capitalist or Feudal or slave society. Wouldn't matter if your food was home grown, slave grown, purchased with gold, printed money, monthly script or coupons, or ladled out into a tin bowl in a jail cell.

Is that what you're saying?

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: Malisa

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: pthena

I guess that depends on what you mean by the term "religion"
I would think it is any action a person undertakes to make them worthy of God

Certainly don't need religion to give away food

No one needs a religion to do good deeds

No one needs a religion to do bad deeds

Yet both happens, i don't think 'religion' has anything to do with how people are, it's just human nature

Religion is a layer on top of it, using the human nature as a tool, for good or bad, but is not what makes a human. Religion picks on the weakness of the human being to lead him into one of two ways, we know which ways so it's not worth going into that argument at all

God is not interfering on any of that, he also did not create religion as you most likely know already, it was created by humans to serve a very specific purpose which i don't think has anything to do with the real God

Well when I read what is written to the Jews in the OT I am inclined to think God did create the religion of Judaism
Jesus ended the OT covenant for those who accept Him

I don't believe in books written by humans. Of course they would write what they need or feel must be the way to live, in the name of God.. Do as told or feel the wrath!

Cook me a good lamb!

Nope, no sense at all, we must not take only what we can use in modern days and drop all the ridiculous stuff otherwise because people got smarter.. Well some of them maybe LMFAO

If you believe in Abraham and Sarai and her maidservant Hagar. Or Brahma and Saraisvati and her maidservant Ghaggar. They are not books of spiritualism. They are books that tell of men and females, that searched for greater truths. Enticing readers to do the same.

God cannot be described in words. So all words in religion must eventually be rejected. So biases don't restrict our minds to the greatness of the undefinable.....

"Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven" (Matthew 18:3)