Notre Dame on fire in Paris

I am sure it has been mentioned...but in case not.

856 years old, survived a revolution, 2 world wars the NAZI's and more and it burns during the holy week on the day of the temple cleanse. I find that both saddening and yet suspicious...

originally posted by: DoubleDNH

originally posted by: Creep Thumper

originally posted by: loam
a reply to: Creep Thumper

Fox just interrupted and hung up on a guest who was in the process of listing the churches in Paris that have recently been intentionality vandalized.

I can understand why they killed the interview. Let's just hope it's was not an international act.

Fox disgusts me now. As far as I know there is no network covering the right anymore.

Fox disgusts you for not trying to connect unrelated things to this fire until a connection is made? So you want an echo chamber network that makes wild speculation about things that have no confirmation... it sounds like you want CNN.

Are you saying you don't see that Fox is moving left?

My post was a general observation of the erosion of conservative principles by this network.

originally posted by: Mover3
a reply to: midnightstar

That's a stretch. The Library of Alexandria was of much greater significance than Notre Dame.

My star isn't sticking, but I agree with you absolutely.

Notre-Dame is historically valuable, but not on the same level as the Library of Alexandria. The latter was much more important and, consequently, a far greater loss to history.

a reply to: vinifalou

In case you don't know:

16 Historic Statues Removed From Notre-Dame Cathedral 4 Days Before Fire

a reply to: mekhanics

Somebody earlier said they could see it all being an insurance scam. The roof is needing repair. The repairs are becoming more and more expensive. The money needs to flow.

Nobody died. The roof was removed. Now money flows and the Church is renewed!

In the next seven weeks the stock market could rise allowing big fund managers to draw tons of money out of stocks at higher prices. Fix the Church. Stocks plunge and the game continues. The money needed was drawn away from the pool of workers who invest for their future. After the plunge, big fund managers buy back in. All is well.

I wonder how long it will take for the Church to be cleaned up and a new roof put in place. I think this is all going to turn out just fine. The building needed to be repaired in a major overhaul modern way.

a reply to: Creep Thumper

Imagine a world where the Library of Alexandria wasn't burnt to the ground, imagine all the information stored there being available today... that would be some wonder.

originally posted by: Mover3
a reply to: Creep Thumper

Imagine a world where the Library of Alexandria wasn't burnt to the ground, imagine all the information stored there being available today... that would be some wonder.

Do you read a lot of classical Greek literature? Or a fan of the epic poems of the Hindus? I suppose if you're a big fan of long poems to dead gods, then the Library of Alexandria would be the place to go. However, like most things of that nature, I assume that the best stuff was squirreled away by people before the S really hit the F.

I've seen some pictures of the inside of the place. Honestly, it could be a lot worse. The fire looked bad because all the wood inside really went up. But the basic foundation and supports in the building seem to be pretty intact.

Nobody was apparently hurt, and they got most if not all of the most important artifacts and relics out of it, so again, it could have been worse. Now they can rebuild it even better.

Yeah, it's kind of sad when something so historical is destroyed, but... that's what happens to stuff. One day there's a monument or temple sitting there that people have been worshiping at for thousands of years, then, BOOM. Next day it's gone. Think of all the pyramids and temples buried, abandoned and destroyed in the South American jungles that people used to get their hearts cut out over for hundreds of years. We don't care about them because they aren't "ours."

It'll be fine. Maybe they can upgrade it to have a large outdoor TV screen on it so people can watch the Mass without going inside, like at the Vienna Opera House.

a reply to: Mover3

You and ct are correct imo. The loss off the library was of much greater significance. But I didn't watch the library go down. This was as emotional for me as 9/11. Take the religious aspect out of this, and I am still devastated at the loss of the sheer beauty and craftsmanship. The art and architecture alone. A very sad day.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
I'm suspicious that this happens during the week of Easter.

With the Muslims claiming a fire in the Al aqsa mosque at the same time, ya. Something that only Guilty children pull. "Happened to us too, so it couldn't have been us "

If this is found to be Arson and started as an act of Terror by a Muslim you will see Europe shake with anger. Macron will be tossed out of office and a new leader will round up the Muslims and ship them out.

In case you don't know:

16 Historic Statues Removed From Notre-Dame Cathedral 4 Days Before Fire

a reply to: mekhanics

In Case you did not know they were starting a renovation project

You don't leave valuable works of art in a construction site

www.cbsnews.com...

originally posted by: RudeMarine
Macron will be tossed out of office and a new leader will round up the Muslims and ship them out.

Most of the Muslims in France are either French citizens or have lived there for many years, having come from the ex-colonies, so it's not a case of "shipping them out".

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: Mover3
a reply to: Creep Thumper

Imagine a world where the Library of Alexandria wasn't burnt to the ground, imagine all the information stored there being available today... that would be some wonder.

Do you read a lot of classical Greek literature? Or a fan of the epic poems of the Hindus? I suppose if you're a big fan of long poems to dead gods, then the Library of Alexandria would be the place to go. However, like most things of that nature, I assume that the best stuff was squirreled away by people before the S really hit the F.

That's actually pretty much true (along with plays and poems by the Ptolemy pharaohs themselves and other Ptolemys.)

The policy in Alexandria was that when ships came into the harbor, they were boarded and searched for books. If books were found, they were taken to the Library and copied and the copy taken back to the ship. So the world was at one time full of books from Alexandria.

Julius Caesar gave Cleopatra several thousand books as a wedding present and so did Anthony.

Looked like scaffolding there and work being done. Could of been a tool or power cables left unattended, maybe sparks near chemicals, glue etc construction type chemicals that are flammable. A spire made of wood like that high up in the wind would make it go up like a match. How ironic it's been there for so long and modern day mistakes brought it down.

a reply to: TinySickTears

How.many renovation fires have happened in France the last year compared to arson? People keep acting like it's not a logical position to wonder, however data says otherwise.

I have Not read ALL of it. if so sorry if this is a repeat!
"At 5.20 pm (UK time), CALLS was reportedly sent to emergency services referring to a fire in the attic of the cathedral. However, no fire was found after checks."
Independent news

"Just before 6 pm, a second alarm was triggered with a fire found under the roof."

"A spokesman for Notre Dame said fire detectors had been installed "all over", along with a computerised security system with 24-hour surveillance, according to France Info."

so how can they get a CALL 40 mins before,
"fire detectors ALL over" not go off?
did some one switch them off?
some one at the top.
this may be a STAGED event?

this sounds like Building 7.
911 they say in the news it Fell! down! and its still up!

ATS IS (was) a conspiracy site.
so we discuss all conspiracy possibilities.

a reply to: sean

*sigh*

Everybody on ATS...

Aluminum and plastic are flammable like 1,000 year old wood. The Spire was made of wood. The building was the shape of a “chimney starter” that you stat your grill with!! Look, the flames and smoke went up the inside of the spire and shot upwards. It was not like 9/11 where dust and smoke fell back down with the building... it went straight up. Like a chimney.

And the only stupid thing that you have to do is put some rags with chemicals on them in a container and close the lid. Exothermic reactions happen (my buddy almost burnt down his garage and house doing the same).

Plastic tarps everywhere (solid hydrocarbons... I.e., fuel) and aluminum, when it finally ablates, creates even more pyrotechnic reactions.

Look at the design!!

The Cathedral de Paris is a perfect chimney starter!

No Nostradamus predictions needed! No “deliberately set” CTs needed. No religious war necessary.

Things fall apart,
The center cannot hold,
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world...

:salute:

Just dropping this off.
Thought I'd share...