Cardinal Robert Sarah Warns That “Islam Will Invade The World"

originally posted by: whereislogic
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Historical evidence indicates that the first Christians did not involve themselves in political affairs. As Jesus said of them: “They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world.” (John 17:16) Rather, they shared a common allegiance to a heavenly government, God’s Kingdom. New York educators Eugene A. Colligan and Maxwell F. Littwin said regarding them in the book From the Old World to the New: “They preferred the Kingdom of God to any kingdom that they might serve on earth.”

In this respect early Christians followed closely the example set by Jesus Christ. (John 6:15; 18:36) Note how textbooks comment on the neutral position Christ’s early followers took toward political affairs:

“Early Christianity was little understood and was regarded with little favor by those who ruled the pagan world. . . . Christians refused to share certain duties of Roman citizens. . . . They would not hold political office.”​—On the Road to Civilization, A World History (1937), by Albert K. Heckel and James G. Sigman, pages 237, 238.

“The Roman government called the Christians enemies of the state. They would not serve in the Roman army. They refused to salute the emperor’s statue, which meant the same to Roman society that a nation’s flag does to citizens today. They were loyal only to their religion.”​—Man—​His World and Cultures (1974), by Edith McCall, Evalyn Rapparlie and Jack Spatafora, pages 67, 68.

Of course, many people do not consider the flag sacred or that saluting it is an act of worship. However, consider what secular authorities say about this:

“The flag, like the cross, is sacred. . . . The rules and regulations relative to human attitude toward national standards use strong, expressive words, as, ‘Service to the Flag,’ . . . ‘Reverence for the Flag,’ ‘Devotion to the Flag.’”​—The Encyclopedia Americana (1942), Volume 11, page 316.

And as earlier quoted but worth repeating in this context:

“Nationalism’s chief symbol of faith and central object of worship is the flag, and curious liturgical forms have been devised for ‘saluting’ the flag, for ‘dipping’ the flag, for ‘lowering’ the flag, and for ‘hoisting’ the flag. Men bare their heads when the flag passes by; and in praise of the flag poets write odes and children sing hymns.”​—What Americans Believe and How They Worship (1952), by J. Paul Williams, pages 359, 360.

Others have also expressed an understanding of the position that the flag salute is related to worship, as the following comments show:

“Christians refused to . . . sacrifice to the [Roman] emperor’s genius​—roughly equivalent today to refusing to salute the flag or repeat the oath of allegiance.”​—Those About to Die (1958), by Daniel P. Mannix, page 135.

“The key assumption is that saluting a flag constitutes an act of religious devotion. . . . This view, while odd, is not entirely without biblical support. . . . If saluting is a religious act, then it is forbidden by God’s law however worthy the object of respect. In other words, refusal to salute need imply no disrespect for flag or country.”​—Render Unto Caesar, The Flag-Salute Controversy (1962), David R. Manwaring, assistant professor of political science, Hobart and William Smith Colleges, page 32.

A national anthem often is, in effect, a hymn or a prayer set to music. The Encyclopedia Americana (1956) says: “Love of fatherland and pride in one’s country are the keynotes of most national anthems, and in many, religious feeling is blended with patriotic sentiment.” Actually, patriotic songs express the same fundamental ideas that are embodied in the pledge of allegiance to the flag. And since there is no Scriptural basis for the nationalistic pride that has so divided our world, true Christians who have not received the mark of the beast do not join in singing songs that extol any earthly nation.​—Acts 17:26; John 17:15, 16.

Nationalism is well described by the psalmist’s expression, “the pestilence causing adversities.” (Psalm 91:3) It has been like a plague on humanity, leading to untold suffering. Nationalism with its resultant hatred of other peoples has existed for centuries. Today, nationalism continues to fan the flames of divisiveness, and human rulers have not been able to stop it.

Jorge Luis Borges, renowned Argentinian writer and poet, said that nationalism is dividing the world, adding: “In this sense, it is the arch-villain of all the evils. It divides people, it destroys the good side of human nature, it leads to inequality in the distribution of wealth.”

Many authorities recognize that nationalism and self-interest are the root of the world’s problems. God’s Word, the Bible, correctly describes the result of all human rule, saying: “Man has dominated man to his injury.” (Ecclesiastes 8:9) God is the rightful Sovereign to whom all should look for rulership. By pursuing their own sovereignties, the nations are working against his will.​—Psalm 2:2.

Prejudice and Discrimination—Getting to the Roots; Awake! August 2009

Getting to the Roots

Prejudice causes people to distort, misinterpret, or even ignore facts that conflict with their predetermined opinions. Prejudice may have its beginnings in seemingly innocent, but misguided, family values, or it may be sown by those who deliberately promote warped views of other races or cultures. Prejudice can also be fostered by nationalism and false religious teachings. And it can be a product of inordinate pride. As you reflect on the following points and on pertinent principles taken from the Bible, why not examine your own attitudes and see if changes are in order?
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Pride. In the form of inordinate self-esteem or haughtiness, pride can make a person more susceptible to prejudice. For example, pride can cause a person to be prone to feelings of superiority or disdain toward the less educated or the materially poor. It may also make him inclined to believe propaganda that elevates his national or ethnic group. Clever propagandists, such as Nazi dictator Adolf Hitler, have deliberately nurtured national and racial pride to rally the support of the masses and to malign those considered to be different or undesirable.

▪ What does the Bible say? “Everyone that is proud in heart is something detestable to Jehovah.” (Proverbs 16:5) “[Do] nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but with lowliness of mind [consider] that the others are superior to you.” (Philippians 2:3) Ask yourself: ‘Do I take secret delight in flattering comments about my own race or ethnic group or in disparaging remarks about others? Am I inclined to be jealous of those who have talents that I lack, or do I take genuine delight in their abilities?’

Yes, for good reason the Bible cautions: “More than all else that is to be guarded, safeguard your heart, for out of it are the sources of life.” (Proverbs 4:23) So view your heart as truly precious, and let nothing corrupt it! Instead, fill it with godly wisdom. Then, and only then, will ‘thinking ability and discernment safeguard you, to deliver you from the bad way, from the person speaking perverse things.’​—Proverbs 2:10-12.
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Godly wisdom rises above racial prejudice and national pride.

a reply to: MosDef

Well, Catholicism is at a crisis from what I heard. Therefore, it's time to stand out. More politics inside the church.

It's sad to see. Alot of great Catholics around the u.s. The upper hierarchy of the church has failed. Not suprising for a religion built on BS, corruption, and lies. Although, it's easy to make that claim of other religions.

Maybe it's time people left that religion. Christians have many other sects that don't have claims of child molestation, women abuse, patriarchy, suppressed sexuality, corruption, protection of criminals, and constant condemnation.

originally posted by: Bloodworth
Our 7 day week is based on God creating the world for 6 days and resting on the 7th.

The u.s. was built on one nation under God.

Christians do more donating and volunteering then any other group in the world

The u.s. was also built on slavery and slave owners using the bible to justify slavery. The Salem witch trials also happened in America. While I'm sure christianity had many positive aspects, you can't ignore the negatives.

The u.s. was one nation built by a majority Christians. To say say we were under God is just nationalistic religious nonsense. What God allows his nation to massacre native Americans and condone slavery?

There are plenty of good christianity has done, but I believe the nature of christianity today is largely due to the growth of western civilization in terms of freedom, culture, finance, and technology.

If I'm sure aspects like sharia law play a role in hindering cultural progress and freedom. If muslims had our economic advances and removed the dogmatic religious aspect from their culture, I'm sure there would be alot less problems in the middle east.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Well, yeah Islam will eventually take over the world because we don't want to offend them and be called Islamophobic.

Well said

originally posted by: Hyperboles

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Well, yeah Islam will eventually take over the world because we don't want to offend them and be called Islamophobic.

Well said

Do you really think all the rights won by women and other minority groups will give up their hard gotten gains? Me thinks not.

The problem with Islam is that it claims the right to do more than simply shun people who step out of line.

When "freedom of religion" was declared, all existing religions were of a "shun is our worst punishment" type. Shunning doesn't violate any rights a person otherwise would have.

The problem we're having in general (more than just religion), is organizations claiming the right to deprive people of life or liberty on the basis of their rules.

This applies to gangs too. We don't want to deny people the freedom of association, but at the same time we can't have private organizations competing with government, making their own rules, and claiming the exclusive right of government to punish offenders.


Any organization that makes that mistake should be considered terrorist, and its members arrested merely on the basis of their membership. Membership should be a crime unto itself, and then instead of our murky definition of "illegal combatant" being held without trial, we would try them for 'illegal membership" and punish them directly for that.

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: gortex

Yeah except communists weren't chopping off people's heads for not believing in communism.

Islam is a cancer.

And yet politicians on both sides are best friends with the HQs for the most violent form of Islam, Wahhabism based in Saudi Arabia.

Our politicians are ensuring the worst form of Islam spreads by supporting it with arms and money.
Fabulous.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: shawmanfromny

Well, yeah Islam will eventually take over the world because we don't want to offend them and be called Islamophobic.

There is also a lot of money to be made in selling weapons to them for their jihad.

a reply to: blueman12

The claim (Christianity being a religion built on BS, corruption etc) can indeed be made of any religion, I agree, including Islam.

The trouble is that both the Quran and the Bible were written thousands of years ago, when living conditions and beliefs were very different from what they are now. Taking the literal meanings of these holy books will almost always lead to trouble.

Imo when people leave Christianity they will most likely leave religion all together instead of diverting to a different sect.

I think that once humanity reaches a certain level of development organised religion will be abondoned altogether. The west has already got a head start, which is why there are plenty more atheists in the west, as opposed to the poorer Muslim countries. I think that with the advancement of technology, in particular the availability of the internet and near enough instant methods of communication, this move away from religion will happen sooner than we think.

I still think that there's room for religion in the future, however I doubt that it will be practices in the form we do now

The only version of Islam that would even try to rule the world has been defeated, that is ISIS.
Created by the American invasion of Iraq and US intel groups.

ISIS was beaten mainly thanks to the Kurds and the Russian intervention in Syria.


They tried to rule the world like the west did in their 4-century colonialization of the third world and Africa by Europe. But this small group was only a cult of jihadi fanatics that could have been defeated in a week if the west really wanted to.


This cardinal is a fool. Where is Islam going to take over in Europe? The minuscule number of Muslims there are of the secular version run out of Syria by the fake war the West, NATO and the US inflicted on the Syrian people.

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: shawmanfromny

It was Communism a few decades ago now it's Islam thats the Bogeyman , the more things change the more they stay the same.

Communism, Islam, Cancer, Heroin, The Devil... all just "boogeymen" they try to scare you with but in fact are totally harmless and actually good for you! Now excuse me while I go have a bowl of shredded razor blades for breakfast!

Christianity invaded and infected the world, maybe they're worried somebody is following their example.

a reply to: Mandroid7

Yip when the people look like uniting they just ship in other ways and means of dividing them, this has been going on for thousands of years at least.

a reply to: 3n19m470

Eating glass doesn't cut you if you chew it properly

originally posted by: Sookiechacha

originally posted by: abe froman
a reply to: gortex

Yeah except communists weren't chopping off people's heads for not believing in communism.

Islam is a cancer.

Yeah, those sissy communists just committed genocide on millions of people for believing in religion.

en.wikipedia.org...

The estimates are that communism has killed more than 200,000,000 people worldwide since its inception.

originally posted by: Lumenari
Communism isn't a religion.

Neither is socialism.

On the contrary, both are very much religions.

It is called State Worship.

a reply to: DBCowboy

There will be new crusades before my time on this Earth is done. I'm 37, and I fully expect to see an uprising of Islamic hatred against France from within the Muslim communities of France & Belgium. I almost feel like we'll end up seeing zones marked out as free for Islamic rule in term of whole counties that are ceded to them just to stop the chaos. Frankia will never be the same again.. But will it occur in the UK? Not sure. I can see that they are using the birth rate & strategic property ownership at the present time (over the past fifty years). They now have controlling influence in many Northern towns & pretty much control most of Birmingham. It's really incumbent upon our political elite to decide how they will deal with the developing problem before it spills over into full on local wars between them & Nationalist Brits. Apparently the Islamists pretty much dominate as the largest prison gang in the UK, so it's also going to be incumbent upon the British underworld, ironically, to organise & resist the conversion at the point of a sword situation which might develop within the next ten years or so.

Imagine that - the political elite & the underworld gangs working together for the sake of the nation. Bizarre!

a reply to: shawmanfromny

Islam will Invade and FAIL like it has in the past.

They keep trying but they always fail.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

If you want to change a culture, change a society; change the religion.

I posted this thread on this forum, since it is mainly about a disagreement in the Vatican, between Cardinal Robert Sarah and Pope Francis, in regards to the subject of Islam migration. Cardinal Sarah is no lightweight, as he is projected to succeed Pope Francis as the next pontiff. He has stated, in the past, that clergy within the Church have betrayed the teachings of Christ by pursuing political activism. He also has stated that the West is in risk of "disappearing."

You mean to say that a religious institution that sexually abused and raped thousands of victims and has stolen fortunes and oppressed the people of Europe for thousands of years, since Emperor Constatine, a momma's boy, installed Christianity as the state's religion to please his mommy, can criticize other religions?

t clergy within the Church have betrayed the teachings of Christ by pursuing political activism

Can you provide proof that Jesus Christ was an historical person and that he was divine? Religion in itself is political activism. Why do you think people wanted to join The Church hundreds of years ago, the upper echelons of it? For the money and the women and the power, don't think for a second that the Church cares about you. It's about time ALL religions are demolished and done with. We don't need them. if you want to worship someone, worship Man because man is beautiful(well, at least some are Lol) and worthy of praise.

Refreshing to see someone within the Vatican who's not afraid to speak the truth. Some critics of Pope Francis, point out that he's more interested in encouraging Muslims to overrun Europe, than encouraging Catholics to attend Mass. His papacy has been constantly bogged down in infighting and scandals, that leave many faithful Catholics disillusioned, believing he has delivered no real change . Perhaps Cardinal Robert Sarah, will one day right the ship and bring strong leadership back into the Vatican.

Why are you people so afraid of Muslim people? I don't get it. Due to my line of work(archeology) I got to visit and live in several Muslim Countries and got to meet a lot of Muslim women and men, it's true that Muslim women are dominated and sold off like cattle by their fathers, but for a very, very long period of time(since the first man got to walk) men have being selling women, and I don't see you guys picking up arms to help women on a global scale. So why are you guys so worried? And if you are so worried about the continuation of the ''white European'' race - how come you ain't making babies?

Eh, now that women are able to have standards you guys are coming to realize you are not good enough to breed necause they don't want to marry and make babies with the ''average ''European or American man?